grayfingers
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Post by grayfingers on Jun 16, 2016 14:03:28 GMT -5
Agenda 21
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 14:07:52 GMT -5
In true Orwell/Rand fashion the end result of environmentalism is the exact opposite of the stated gaol. In the end, nobody will care about wildlands. In 40 years few will remember a hike in the wilderness. Then it will be no big deal to "put in a parking lot".
Somebody help me with the Joni Mitchell YouTube. Please.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jun 16, 2016 14:15:44 GMT -5
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jun 24, 2016 11:58:03 GMT -5
UPDATE - We fought the (proposed) law and the law lost!
Earlier this month, The California Department of Parks and Recreation proposed a law to ban the public from hiking or climbing off trails in CA parks. They set a deadline of June 6 for public comment on the matter. I am sure they got an earful! They then set a time and place (June 22, 2016, at 6 pm, San Diego County Operations Center, Hearing Room, 5520 Overland Avenue, San Diego, CA 93123 ) for a public hearing.
Before the hearing was even held, this article appeared in the San Diego Union-Tribune, dated June 17, 2016 -
Sounds like they were backpedaling before the hearing was even held!
At the time the location was announced for the hearing, I was amazed that it was not going to be held in some obscure location, many miles from the people that it affects. However, I did not think about the people that live up in Borrego having to travel to San Diego for the meeting. Kudos to them for everybody that made the drive down.
I did not make the public hearing on Wednesday, but it seems the word got out to enough people. CPR learned the public was not going to just roll over on this.
Also from the San Diego Union-Tribune, dated Jun 23, 2016 -
For the time being, it looks like individual parks will be allowed to accept or decline the CPR's proposed rules. Obviously, parks such as Anza-Borrego, which strongly opposed these new laws, will not be implementing them.
A spokesperson for the California Parks Department said a final decision about the rule change will probably be made later this summer.
A big thank you to everyone for your concerns. We must stay vigilant to keep these guys from overstepping their bounds!
Jean
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 12:15:03 GMT -5
Victory!
For now.
Reminds me that a few years ago the EPA set forth the machine on regulating milk. See? Milk has oil in it. Fat. And the EPA is tasked with regulation the production, transport and sale of oil. So the machine gets rolling, the public gets fired up, the EPA backs the truck up.
Public announcement, they are changing their approach, and in doing so saved the milk producing industry millions of dollars. Only in America can the government try to screw an industry, change mind then claim that THEY saved industry the money.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jun 24, 2016 12:22:03 GMT -5
Yeah, let's see what the genius's come up with next. Ya know it's going to happen.
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metalsmith
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Post by metalsmith on Jun 24, 2016 13:16:59 GMT -5
Result ... congrats!
Might be worth the trip after all. Once the £ recovers from Brexit.
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mrzulu
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Post by mrzulu on Aug 26, 2016 13:00:57 GMT -5
I'm still moving to Oregon... I'm done with Cal!
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Post by captbob on Aug 26, 2016 13:25:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure you are running far enough.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 13:25:41 GMT -5
Oregon? You aren't qualified to pump your own gasoline.
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mrzulu
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Post by mrzulu on Oct 23, 2016 17:12:28 GMT -5
Oregon? You aren't qualified to pump your own gasoline. LOL... I'm good in Lakeview after 6pm! Shell there is pump yourself after 6pm and on weekends!!!
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Oct 23, 2016 19:02:48 GMT -5
Jeez! Oregon is like Commiefornia-lite. I never saw much difference between them except Oregonians hate Commiefornians. Whole west coast of the country is pretty much shot to Hell.....Mel
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quartz
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Post by quartz on Oct 23, 2016 22:36:27 GMT -5
Oregon is like two different states, the Willamette Valley is commiefornia-lite for sure, in some ways worse. A lot of the coast, and East of the Cascade mountains are much saner areas. The big gripe here is the tail of the Willamette Valley wagging the dog of the rest of the state. We even have a three-step minimum wage structure based on where you work, with the more remote areas with often high cost of living making the least money.
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Oct 24, 2016 7:23:02 GMT -5
Yeah, that's sort of true for Commiefornia too. Most rural Californa, Northern California, Sierra foothills where we had our ranch etc are all red state conservative. Unfortunatey, again, the large cities with their concentrations of liberal voters control and spoil the entire state and gerrymandering helps make sure the libs stay in control....Mel
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