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Post by rockpickerforever on Mar 8, 2017 12:32:03 GMT -5
Received this info from an acquaintance -
This is nothing new, they are like a pit bull with a bone! Just an FYI for anybody that has any of this material for sale. Looks like you are guilty unless you can prove otherwise.
The Bill CA-AB96 was introduced in January 27, 2015, Passed Oct 4, 2015. There are more recent revisions of this legislation, so not finalized? They are still tweaking it, yet CF&W is already enforcing it? I can understand banning ivory from endangered animals, effectively (hopefully) removing the needless slaughter of said animals and black market trade for their body parts. But now, someone tell me please, how does making mammoth and mastodon ivory illegal to own help those animals? I think they are way past being endangered, no? Used to be that mastodon and mammoth were legal substitutions for real ivory. I have a silver ring with scrimshawed mammoth tusk that I picked up at an antique store 15 years ago:
Am I now a criminal? Gee, did I save my receipt? And are warthogs endangered? WTF?? I am thinking they want to ban anything that even resembles ivory to make their jobs easier. Raid, confiscate, lock up and prosecute.
Thinking we need to drain the swamp at the state level as well. Just so you know who the players are, you've heard of them before -
INTRODUCED BY Assembly Member Toni Atkins (Principal coauthor: Senator Lara) (Coauthors: Assembly Members Bloom, Bonta, Levine, Maienschein, McCarty, Rendon, and Williams) (Coauthor: Senator Pavley)
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Post by rockjunquie on Mar 8, 2017 18:21:28 GMT -5
I have some antique ivory and an antique ivory cameo. I would never try to sell them, though. I was reading an article yesterday about one of the grandest grandaddy "tusker" elephants in Africa that was just poached. Very, very sad. I love elephants. The poachers used a poison dart, but the animal didn't die right away. The preserve police found the deceased elephant before the poachers did. They destroyed the huge tusks. I can only hope that the bastard poachers watched from the bush and cried a river. There is a cool site where you can "foster" an elephant,. It's not even very expensive. I keep meaning to do it myself, but I haven't, yet. Maybe tonight since I am thinking about it. Did you know that most baby elephants are orphaned due to falling into open wells? They fall in and are eventually abandoned by the herd because they can't do anything to help. www.sheldrickwildlifetrust.org/asp/fostering.asp
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Post by 1dave on Mar 9, 2017 8:50:42 GMT -5
Yeah BUT - To extend it to ancient mastodon tusks? Height of POWER MAD IDIOCY!
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Post by rockpickerforever on Mar 9, 2017 10:53:39 GMT -5
The perfect word for them -
megalomaniacs
I don't know if I have ever used that big word before, lol. It certainly fits to a "T."
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Post by vera on Mar 10, 2017 1:58:24 GMT -5
I so agree with you about them overstepping their power with the inclusion of mammoths and mastodons in their list. It does make me wonder how the scientists are coming along on cloning the beasts though. I have some old ivory I stripped from the keys of a broken down antique piano before it was taken to the dump many years ago. If I had that in CA I suppose I would be breaking the law there since they are completely ivory. I wish all lawmakers were made to take a test on the reasoning and intentions of our founding fathers before they were permitted to take office. Perhaps they would learn a few things and quit making idiotic laws.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 10, 2017 7:55:47 GMT -5
Similar situation in Florida re artifacts. Law enforcement may turn a head when a person is surface collecting for personal collection. However, if you put them up for sale on the internet they will hunt you down and bust you. They don't like people making profits off of much of anything found on 'their' public lands. However, some idiots dig graves and destroy archeological sites being preserved on govt. lands. In that case they deserve jail time. THEY ruin it for everyone. But loose finds laying on the ground should be fair game for us citizens.
Govt. is just looking for any reason to disallow collecting on 'their' lands. Often it is the destructive collectors that ruin it for all.
Artifacts and apparently tusk are targets for arrest using their law making ability. Curious if Trump will address collecting. He probably couldn't care less, bigger fish.
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Post by adam on Mar 10, 2017 8:56:43 GMT -5
Haha, I'd surface collect anywhere I think I'd find nice rocks. As long as I know I'm allowed on that land.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 10, 2017 9:05:56 GMT -5
Haha, I'd surface collect anywhere I think I'd find nice rocks. As long as I know I'm allowed on that land. Yea Adam, I share your maverick attitude.
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Post by gemfeller on Mar 10, 2017 10:48:08 GMT -5
Govt. is just looking for any reason to disallow collecting on 'their' lands. Again I urge people who are concerned about this problem to research the U.N. Treaty on Biodiversity (not signed by the U.S. but being quietly implemented by activists anyhow); and the Wildlands Project. This is not crazy conspiracy theory stuff. It's all written down in black and white and is being acted on at the federal level. Thanks rockpickerforever for singling out the CA legislators who are pushing these actions at the state level. Unless they are unseated and replaced this nonsense will continue and get worse. Americans are being held hostage by snail darters, Delta smelt, spotted owls, mastodon ivory and Bone Cave Harvestman spiders (see link): www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/02/texas-rancher-caught-in-regulatory-web-after-rare-spider-found-on-land.html
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Post by Fossilman on Mar 10, 2017 13:25:01 GMT -5
It's going to get worse,before it gets better!! Many states are jumping on the band wagon now!
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Post by jamesp on Mar 11, 2017 3:20:30 GMT -5
It's going to get worse,before it gets better!! Many states are jumping on the band wagon now! Yes, said attitude is spreading like cancer. Much worse where states have a high percentage of govt. owned land. OR, states that are rapidly acquiring private property. This phenomena is disturbing in the east. Florida for instance, the govt. is buying private property from citizens along waterways, particularly rivers. This allows govt. control over these waterways. Spending tax money in the form of purchasing property from citizens by a govt. A wealthy tax supported govt, making deals with private citizens to acquire 'their' land is a serious conflict of interest. An intersting competitor in the real estate market... I collect in said rivers. In most cases river front property is divided at the centerline of a river. So, can I collect on the privately owned side of the river ? Apparently Florida is laying claim to all (navigable)waterways. By some proclamation ? Not sure if citizens voted these govt. rights. They hire tax funded wardens to patrol these waterways. Not just for wildlife protection, but collecting many resources under and around the river. Navigable by most definitions means the ability to use a boat on the water. Getting out of the boat and touching land is typically considered trespassing. Florida settled by a lot of more liberally minded NE US folks. As these people have moved to Florida they have campaigned a lot of these changes. Water quality: Many of Florida waterways have 10 or 20 acre minimum building lot requirements imposed by govt. to reduce pollution from septic tanks. Municipal water treatment plants from adjacent towns and cities continue to pollute these rivers. Population has become a factor no doubt. Treated water better than untreated water, fair enough. The rivers are getting more polluted regardless. Disturbing the soil in these often delicate rivers is a real issue though. Digging and prodding is not so good due to sedimentation. So these acquisitions are an attempt to maintain healthy rivers. The potash mine near White Springs Florida has been pumping the aquifer low for years along the Suwannee River. The world needs potash, but the river is being dried. The potash mine has devastating effects on the water quality and quantity. Interesting but unfortunate conflict.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 10:53:36 GMT -5
Yeah BUT - To extend it to ancient mastodon tusks? Height of POWER MAD IDIOCY! Too lazy to test "look alike" products. Idiocracy is the term i think.
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