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Post by Sabre52 on Jul 11, 2017 15:51:36 GMT -5
Small correction. Pretty darn near near everyone who gets on a horse with some regularity is gonna get thrown. As horsemen say, " It ain't if you're gonna fall off, it's when!" I know a lot of excellent horse folks and most, if not all, have been thrown at one time or another. At picnics, everyone sets round the table and discusses what they broke last. The real cowboys can describe a flat out incredible list of injuries. Knock on wood, but me, being only about a quarter assed cowboy ( not good enough for half assed) I'm only on number two *L* which is probably more a testament to good luck, coffee alertness *W*, and better horses, than it is to great skills *L*.
PS: Oh wait, I forgot, my number is actually three. In college I dated a lovely gal who was really into rodeo. So of course I took her riding and had a saddle girth break partially loose dragging me under the horse where he walked along stepping on me every other step till I could get out of the stirrup while of course, I looked just so cool. I'm sure she was sooooo impressed...Mel
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 16:32:31 GMT -5
Same phrase for venomous snake keepers. Not if but when.
I only did for a couple years. So.no bites.
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Post by vegasjames on Jul 12, 2017 0:22:15 GMT -5
Why gone? Dangerous does not always mean deadly. And how many people smoke? Are all smokers gone? Yet cigarettes are still dangerous. Caffeine is the most widely abused drug in the world and as with all drugs it comes with adverse side effects. Just doesn't seem "dangerous". Riding on a horse, for me, is dangerous. I could easily die doing that. Driving a car, less so, but still I could die. To me danger is something that kills, or leads to an early death. At least smoking does that to many, either by cancer or emphysema. If you reframed "danger" to "negative health effects" then it wouldn't be oversold. I see zero DANGER in coffee.... Danger comes in many forms and various levels. And how is smoking a carcinogen like cigarettes any different health wise than ingesting a carcinogen such as coffee? As I pointed out earlier roasting coffee produces carcinogenic polyaromatic hydrocarbons and acrylamide. And coffee may not cause emphysema, but it can increase a person's risk of a severe allergic or asthma attack that can be just as bad if not worse. Coffee is not healthy nor risk free.
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Post by Sabre52 on Jul 12, 2017 6:22:44 GMT -5
*S* When I was young, I sometimes, though not often, worried about what was good for me or what might kill me. I still don't smoke or drink but that's mainly cause I am allergic to booze (especially beer) and never liked the taste of cigarettes. Funny though, now that I'm old, it becomes more about doing what I like, drinking what I like, and eating what I like and damn the consequences. As you get older, your age dictates a lot of takeaways like things you cannot eat or drink cause they make you miserable and physical things you cannot do because your body is too broke down from all the activities of your youth, jogging for example. Coffee is yummy, horses are a love of my life. Both are dangerous but at this point who really gives a damn what one dies of. It ain't like this old broke down body is gonna get back like it was when I were in my 20's. Hell, it's all down hill from here so why worry about it. Some folks just worry too much. Now I'm off to make my mega smoothie, but not to much coffee cause I'm going shootin and don't wanna be too jittery. Then off for Mexican food and a big ole glass of ice cold coke...Mel
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 8:40:43 GMT -5
Just doesn't seem "dangerous". Riding on a horse, for me, is dangerous. I could easily die doing that. Driving a car, less so, but still I could die. To me danger is something that kills, or leads to an early death. At least smoking does that to many, either by cancer or emphysema. If you reframed "danger" to "negative health effects" then it wouldn't be oversold. I see zero DANGER in coffee.... Danger comes in many forms and various levels. And how is smoking a carcinogen like cigarettes any different health wise than ingesting a carcinogen such as coffee? As I pointed out earlier roasting coffee produces carcinogenic polyaromatic hydrocarbons and acrylamide. And coffee may not cause emphysema, but it can increase a person's risk of a severe allergic or asthma attack that can be just as bad if not worse. Coffee is not healthy nor risk free. Neither is life in general. Tomorrow is never a promise.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jul 12, 2017 8:47:44 GMT -5
My mom's answer to every problem was - sit down and have a cup of coffee. Kinda like - take a deep breath and think.
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Post by Pat on Jul 12, 2017 9:08:13 GMT -5
My mom's answer to every problem was - sit down and have a cup of coffee. Kinda like - take a deep breath and think. Wise mom. Coffee isn't just the sum of the ingredients; it is ambience and camaraderie, a pleasant break in the day. The smell and the warmth all add to the whole experience. When someone offers you a cup of coffee, they are offering you more than just coffee.
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Post by fantastic5 on Jul 12, 2017 9:59:31 GMT -5
And coffee may not cause emphysema, but it can increase a person's risk of a severe allergic or asthma attack that can be just as bad if not worse. I don't know about increasing a risk of asthma, but coffee has been shown to act like a weak bronchodilator. I've had asthma since my teens and have always relied on a strong cup of coffee if I found myself without an inhaler and having a mild asthma attack (would never trust it for something more substantial than a mild attack). The effect of caffeine in people with asthma journal article. Pretty dismal population size, so high risk for bias, but it supports what I've been told by my pulmonologist.
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Post by vegasjames on Jul 12, 2017 13:00:33 GMT -5
And coffee may not cause emphysema, but it can increase a person's risk of a severe allergic or asthma attack that can be just as bad if not worse. I don't know about increasing a risk of asthma, but coffee has been shown to act like a weak bronchodilator. I've had asthma since my teens and have always relied on a strong cup of coffee if I found myself without an inhaler and having a mild asthma attack (would never trust it for something more substantial than a mild attack). The effect of caffeine in people with asthma journal article. Pretty dismal population size, so high risk for bias, but it supports what I've been told by my pulmonologist. Yes and no. An old remedy for an asthma attack was to drink a strong cup of coffee, which could stop the asthma attack when used as needed for this purpose. The xanthines in the coffee (caffeine, theophylline and theobromine) are all cyclic adenosine monophosphate phosphodiesterase (cAMPPDE) inhibitors. By blocking the enzyme cAMPPDE this can counter histamines and leukotrienes that contribute to asthma attacks. Same reason IV theophylline is given in hospitals for asthma. With coffee the increased epinephrine output by the coffee can also increase cAMP levels, which also helps counter an asthma attack. Another drug used for severe asthma attacks is epinephrine (adrenaline), which stimulates cellular receptors in increase cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) levels in the first place, which is what actually counters the histamine and leukotrienes. The cAMPPEIs work by blocking the enzyme that breaks down the cAMP thus prolonging the anti-asthma effects of the cAMP. Steroids are also used to help prevent asthma initially as they will address the inflammatory component of the asthma. Although long term use of exogenous steroids actually increase the risk of asthma attacks, just like the consistent consumption of coffee for the same base reason. Suppression of the adrenal glands. So what does the adrenal glands have to do with all of this? The adrenals produce among other things the body's epinephrine that stimulates the receptors that increase cAMP levels countering the histamines and more potent asthma inducing leukotrienes. Leukotrienes have been found to be about 1,000 times more potent inducers of asthma than histamine. The adrenals also produce the body's own anti-inflammatory corticosteroids that counter the inflammatory component of the asthma. Thus adrenal dysfunction is the basis for asthma formation in the first place. Same reason children with asthma can outgrow the asthma around the age of 5 provided the adrenals are not atrophied with medications or other means such as excess use of stimulants. Around the age of 5 their adrenals are maturing. This also applies to allergies, which are also the result of adrenal dysfunction, which is why epinephrine, or similar drugs, and steroids are used in the treatment of allergies as well. The drugs are substituting for what the adrenals are failing to put out in sufficient quantities. Also same reasons allergies and asthma can come or go throughout life. Depends on the health of the adrenals. That being said I mentioned that the steroids given to asthmatics can lead to increased asthma frequency and intensity when used long term. We see this as an "inhaler dependence". The drugs are substituting for the epinephrine and corticosteroids or their effects by the adrenals. This leads to atrophy of the adrenals and thus decreased output of epinephrine and corticosteroids. Therefore the asthmatic ends up more dependent on exogenous drugs to make up for the lack of epinephrine and corticosteroids no longer being released in proper amounts by the adrenals. Thus the "inhaler dependence". All this brings us back to the coffee. Again used once in a while as needed for an asthma attack the coffee can stop an asthma attack by acting as a cAMPPDEI. When consumed on a regular basis though the coffee has the opposite effect for a simple reason. The adrenals are designed for short term use at high intensity. Emergency situations primarily. Coffee runs the adrenals at high intensity for extended period of time thus depleting the adrenals. The lack of sufficient epinephrine and corticosteroids because it is being used up faster than it can be produced leads to an increased risk of asthma attacks due to decreased cAMP levels and increased inflammation. It is well known that the effects of many drugs in the short term are different from the effects long term. For example, thyroid hormones such as Synthroid can help with hypothyroidism in the short term. But long term these hormones lead to atrophy of the thyroid making the hypothyroidism worse, which is why the levels of exogenous thyroid hormones have to be periodically increased. As the thyroid atrophies from the drug the decreased levels of actual thyroid hormone output has to be compensated for by further increasing the level of exogenous hormones leading to further hypothyroidism until the person becomes completely dependent on the exogenous hormones. There are NUMEROUS such examples that we see in medicine every day.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 15:19:24 GMT -5
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 12, 2017 15:54:32 GMT -5
Who measures their intake of coffee in cups ? I measure my daily intake by pots per day. At least 3, and sometimes 4.
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Post by chassroc on Jul 12, 2017 17:20:53 GMT -5
Yet ... the latest study shows that coffee drinkers live longer...seems like the best long term effect possible
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 17:36:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 17:37:08 GMT -5
Yet ... the latest study shows that coffee drinkers live longer...seems like the best long term effect possible Charlie Living longer doesn't come without risk.... 😋
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:03:43 GMT -5
I only drink coffee if it's a mocha, and that is not often. I drink energy drinks instead.
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Post by jeannie on Jul 12, 2017 18:09:55 GMT -5
Love 💕 coffee ☕️! I especially love my Nespresso machine! Mmmmm!😋
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Post by gemfeller on Jul 12, 2017 20:40:22 GMT -5
I adore coffee and used to drink 5-8 cups a day, depending. But I had to give it up since caffeine doesn't go well with artificial heart valves and associated medications -- but oh, how I miss it! It's torture every morning when my wife brews her pot-full with our favorite coffee beans. I've learned to be satisfied (almost) with Country Peach Passion herbal tea -- silly name but it's nice. Every couple of months I sneak half a cup of her delicious black brew, no cream, no sugar, just delightful aroma and flavor. But it usually sets the old ticker rockin' and rollin'.
The coffee I grew up with on the farm was strong enough to hold a spoon upright in the cup -- if it didn't outright dissolve it. It was made with delicious well water with coffee grounds placed right in the water. It had to be taken off the heat the instant it started to boil, then the grounds were settled by dropping an eggshell and a dash of cold water into it. Basic but very good. It was wonderful when the outdoor temps were in the minus 10-degree range.
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 12, 2017 20:54:41 GMT -5
Just put on my third pot. Hot, strong and black.
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Post by vegasjames on Jul 12, 2017 23:38:31 GMT -5
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Post by Sabre52 on Jul 13, 2017 8:08:21 GMT -5
*L* Again, yeah we can cut out that coffee, all that good ole steak and red meat, real butter, soda, great tasting Mexican food etc and everything else that tastes great. And yeah, we can pad our boring lives with pillows and take little risk. And then maybe, barring accident, we can live a couple more crappy, depressing years full of aching joints, peeing our pants, forgetting where we are and drooling in some gulldanged "rest home" "nursing home" or " assisted living" death farm..
Or, you can eat and drink what you like, live a wonderful life balls out, full of what pleases you. And maybe, barring accident or whatever, live a happy life a few years shorter. Or heck it could be longer, just luck. One of the most frugal living health nuts I know had a heart attack in his forties. Meanwhile, you get to forgo those last crappy years in the drool farms and death ranches. If you think about it, the entire medical profession sometimes seems to revolve around bleeding your family dry with medical bills and extending your life so long that it just extends the misery.
Me, I figure I live life like I want and I get whatever time is allotted to me by luck or the gods or destiny or whatever. I hope that someday assisted death becomes legal by choice, in every state, so if we do get some horrible, painful, crippling injury or terminal disease we can get the same humane treatment we give to our pets and not let the gulldanged medical profession prolong our misery for their benefit like they do now. It absolutely stuns me that because of religion, avarice, and politics, our livestock and pets get more humane treatment than we do.....Mel
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