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Post by jamesp on Nov 15, 2017 7:03:31 GMT -5
Before going further, this is BULK SiC. Many of you may not want to roll it. I am having success with it. Liking the time release aspect a lot. I also add more liberal doses.
WARNING - it does wear PVC barrels faster than SiC 30, but wears rocks faster too !!
Supplier is with in 100 miles so I am picking up 14 - 50 pound bags of bulk SiC.
The cost breakdown was this:
14 bags - $372 so $26.60 per bag. Should be a lifetime supply.
Cost to split 64 bag pallet - $95
Total - $467
I am not sure if they will be interested in shipping bags in a LFRB. I got what I needed, if anyone else is interested in buying bag quantity I will ask them about single bag quantities.
ETA: I now split coarse grind into two steps. I hate coarse grind.
Step 1 - 55 RPM with bulk SiC. Same ole 4 - 6 week add weekly/clean out weekly. Usually with a 3/4 to 1 pound rock. Step 2 - 30 RPM with screened bulk SiC 30-50 and smaller (I screen it myself) and run 7 to 10 days for finish before vibe. No big rock.
ETA 2 : I don't remember rolling more than 5 weeks and getting well rounded agate type stones with this method.
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Post by MrMike on Nov 15, 2017 8:26:11 GMT -5
Before going further, this is BULK SiC. Many of you may not want to roll it. I am having success with it. Liking the time release aspect a lot. I also add more liberal doses. WARNING - it does wear PVC barrels faster than SiC 30, but wears rocks faster too !! Supplier is with in 100 miles so I am picking up 14 - 50 pound bags of bulk SiC. The cost breakdown was this: 14 bags - $372 so $26.60 per bag. Should be a lifetime supply. Cost to split 64 bag pallet - $95 Total - $467 I am not sure if they will be interested in shipping bags in a LFRB. I got what I needed, if anyone else is interested in buying bag quantity I will ask them about single bag quantities. ETA: I now split coarse grind into two steps. I hate coarse grind. Step 1 - 55 RPM with bulk SiC. Same ole 4 - 6 week add weekly/clean out weekly. Usually with a 3/4 to 1 pound rock. Step 2 - 30 RPM with screened bulk SiC 30-50 and smaller (I screen it myself) and run 7 to 10 days for finish before vibe. No big rock. ETA 2 : I don't remember rolling more than 5 weeks and getting well rounded agate type stones with this method. I’m interested!!!
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Post by jamesp on Nov 15, 2017 8:43:47 GMT -5
You are worth the effort MrMike. I have figured out that Tennessee folks call both Kentuckian's and Georgian's hillbillies and claim the title Mountaineer. Such arrogance knows no bounds. Garage Rocker take note.
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Post by Garage Rocker on Nov 15, 2017 9:10:09 GMT -5
You are worth the effort MrMike . I have figured out that Tennessee folks call both Kentuckian's and Georgian's hillbillies and claim the title Mountaineer. Such arrogance knows no bounds. Garage Rocker take note. Noted! I'm aware of those highfalutin "Mountaineers".
Guess nobody told them West Virginia already claimed that title.
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Post by Wooferhound on Nov 15, 2017 9:11:04 GMT -5
Kingsley North Prices are ... $75 - Ungraded Silicon Carbide 36/100 50lb $93 - Ungraded Silicon Carbide 46/70 50lb Plus Shipping
$34 - James price after splitting the pallet Bulk SiC before shipping
I could be interested in this too are you coming my direction when you get this stuff ?
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Post by notjustone on Nov 15, 2017 9:15:09 GMT -5
as a side note if it is similar to the stuff I get I would not recommend it for smaller barrels. they simply will not be able to crush the big chunks of sic. and my soft barrel ar-12 barely breaks down sic30 so I didn't even try it in that 1.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 15, 2017 9:31:34 GMT -5
as a side note if it is similar to the stuff I get I would not recommend it for smaller barrels. they simply will not be able to crush the big chunks of sic. and my soft barrel ar-12 barely breaks down sic30 so I didn't even try it in that 1. Good and important note Notjustone. I have great success using a 6 inch diameter PVC barrel 8 inches long and pretty darn thick clay slurry. Rocks a bit on large side. The larger rocks(30% 2 inch rocks) have a big impact on helping to break that bulk grit down.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 15, 2017 9:32:44 GMT -5
Kingsley North Prices are ... $75 - Ungraded Silicon Carbide 36/100 50lb $93 - Ungraded Silicon Carbide 46/70 50lb Plus Shipping $34 - James price after splitting the pallet Bulk SiC before shipping I could be interested in this too are you coming my direction when you get this stuff ? Delivered by me ? Lol, hold your breath till you see a deep purple color.
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Post by Garage Rocker on Nov 15, 2017 9:46:34 GMT -5
as a side note if it is similar to the stuff I get I would not recommend it for smaller barrels. they simply will not be able to crush the big chunks of sic. and my soft barrel ar-12 barely breaks down sic30 so I didn't even try it in that 1. Good and important note Notjustone. I have great success using a 6 inch diameter PVC barrel 8 inches long and pretty darn thick clay slurry. Rocks a bit on large side. The larger rocks(30% 2 inch rocks) have a big impact on helping to break that bulk grit down. I had trouble getting Sic30 to break down in the soft Lortone barrels. Had to go back to 46/70 and haven't had that problem since.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 15, 2017 9:57:53 GMT -5
Good and important note Notjustone. I have great success using a 6 inch diameter PVC barrel 8 inches long and pretty darn thick clay slurry. Rocks a bit on large side. The larger rocks(30% 2 inch rocks) have a big impact on helping to break that bulk grit down. I had trouble getting Sic30 to break down in the soft Lortone barrels. Had to go back to 46/70 and haven't had that problem since. 6 pound and 12 pound barrels Randy ?
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Post by Garage Rocker on Nov 15, 2017 10:10:30 GMT -5
I had trouble getting Sic30 to break down in the soft Lortone barrels. Had to go back to 46/70 and haven't had that problem since. 6 pound and 12 pound barrels Randy ? Yes, 6 and 12. I won't use anything larger than 60/90 in the 3 lb. barrels. Funny that the water and litter 'recipe' used for 46/70 didn't work the same for sic30, but it didn't. I always had grit left in the bottom of the barrel. With 46/70, I have a smooth slurry with nothing left over after 4-7 days. I didn't run but a handful of batches before giving up on it, so maybe there was a solution to be found, but I was already running on the edge of having too thick a slurry. Any thicker and the rocks would have pasted themselves to the side of the barrel in short order.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 15, 2017 10:18:28 GMT -5
6 pound and 12 pound barrels Randy ? Yes, 6 and 12. I won't use anything larger than 60/90 in the 3 lb. barrels. Funny that the water and litter 'recipe' used for 46/70 didn't work the same for sic30, but it didn't. I always had grit left in the bottom of the barrel. With 46/70, I have a smooth slurry with nothing left over after 4-7 days. I didn't run but a handful of batches before giving up on it, so maybe there was a solution to be found, but I was already running on the edge of having too thick a slurry. Any thicker and the rocks would have pasted themselves to the side of the barrel in short order. I have found that I probably tumble larger rocks than average. Mostly 1.5 to 2.5 inch rocks with few smalls. I am certain that has an impact on breaking down larger SiC. I have run batches with 1 inch and smaller and even with the PVC barrels and the 30 grit never broke down. This is my average size of tumbles during SiC 30 and bulk, no smalls added(intentionally):
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notjustone
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Post by notjustone on Nov 15, 2017 12:07:13 GMT -5
Before going further, this is BULK SiC. Many of you may not want to roll it. I am having success with it. Liking the time release aspect a lot. I also add more liberal doses. WARNING - it does wear PVC barrels faster than SiC 30, but wears rocks faster too !! Supplier is with in 100 miles so I am picking up 14 - 50 pound bags of bulk SiC. The cost breakdown was this: 14 bags - $372 so $26.60 per bag. Should be a lifetime supply. Cost to split 64 bag pallet - $95 Total - $467 I am not sure if they will be interested in shipping bags in a LFRB. I got what I needed, if anyone else is interested in buying bag quantity I will ask them about single bag quantities. ETA: I now split coarse grind into two steps. I hate coarse grind. Step 1 - 55 RPM with bulk SiC. Same ole 4 - 6 week add weekly/clean out weekly. Usually with a 3/4 to 1 pound rock. Step 2 - 30 RPM with screened bulk SiC 30-50 and smaller (I screen it myself) and run 7 to 10 days for finish before vibe. No big rock. ETA 2 : I don't remember rolling more than 5 weeks and getting well rounded agate type stones with this method. I'm still adding it straight from the pail not screening. have you tried it both ways and noticed a difference?
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Post by jamesp on Nov 15, 2017 15:29:45 GMT -5
Just like this notjustone: ETA: I now split coarse grind into two steps. I hate coarse grind. Step 1 - 55 RPM with bulk SiC. Same ole 4 - 6 week add weekly/clean out weekly. Usually with a 3/4 to 1 pound rock. Step 2 - 30 RPM with screened bulk SiC 30-50 and smaller (I screen it myself) and run 7 to 10 days for finish before vibe. No big rock. ETA 2 : I don't remember rolling more than 5 weeks and getting well rounded agate type stones with this method.
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Post by MrMike on Nov 15, 2017 18:48:54 GMT -5
I’ve got a 40lb barrel rolling now. The 20lb barrel needs a lid & luckily Lortone has one for $37. The other 15-20 barrel is an old Scott Murray but it’s divided into 2 sections.
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Post by notjustone on Nov 16, 2017 0:16:39 GMT -5
I would think this would work damn good in a 40 lbs barrel that's a lot of rock weight to crush down the bigger chunks.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 16, 2017 5:06:10 GMT -5
This is the LFRB of bulk from notjustone screened. Blue colander for BB's. Fine steel screen for SiC 20/30 and smaller. 70% is SiC 20/30 and smaller (5 gallon bucket, full white square tray, and black plant pot) 20% is BB size. (white square tray lower left) 10% is 1/4" to 3/8" (white square tray upper left) If I use 1 cup of 1/4" to 3/8" with 1.5" to 2.5" rocks I may have a tablespoon of big chunks left in a 6" PVC/6 pound barrel. ****I use a fresh charge of colloidal clay every clean out/recharge. If I use 1 cup of BB's with 1.5" to 2.5" rocks I have no chunks of left. ****Fresh colloidal clay each clean out/recharge. Keep in mind I use about 5 gallons of colloidal red clay about every 3 months running five 6 pound barrels. Either way, you could toss the 30% large stuff and still come out way cheaper at $34/50 pounds. The BB size is actually my favorite because it takes a full 7 days to break down. I have about used it up. The receptionist is asking the management if they want to sell in units of 50 pound bags. And I need to tell them if there is enough interest here to fool with the small quantities. It seems not thus far. MrMike and Wooferhound I will send you a MFRB of unscreened to try.
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Post by MrMike on Nov 16, 2017 6:32:25 GMT -5
U da man jamesp !!! Thanks a bunch.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 16, 2017 6:46:04 GMT -5
U da man jamesp !!! Thanks a bunch. If it works for you then you are close enough to pick up a large load like I am going to do. I would guess I have spent well over $1000 on course SiC over the past 7 years. For about 350 to 400 pounds... It was more expensive before I found out about Kingsley in the early years.
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Post by Wooferhound on Nov 16, 2017 9:29:55 GMT -5
Kingsley North Prices are ... $75 - Ungraded Silicon Carbide 36/100 50lb $93 - Ungraded Silicon Carbide 46/70 50lb Plus Shipping $34 - James price after splitting the pallet Bulk SiC before shipping I could be interested in this too are you coming my direction when you get this stuff ? Delivered by me ? Lol, hold your breath till you see a deep purple color. Actually I was hoping to meet you there when they break up the pallet I would absolutely jump on 50 or 100 pounds
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