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Post by 1dave on Jan 9, 2018 13:59:53 GMT -5
We (electricians) feared the Iron workers the most. Screw with one of them and they would get the height on you and "accidentally" drop something that could put a hole in your hard hat. Apparently the pipe guys were the grumpiest in this area lol. Had some playful iron workers. Wild bunch the all of them. I snuck up behind the boss iron worker one Saturday morning and scared the pop out of him. To my surprise the cannonball shaped man almost ran my long legged butt down. The others said he was fast on his feet. I think he wanted to grind my bones that moment, thanked God for my escape. I remember seeing statistics that iron workers average living about 4 years after retiring. I can't find anything about that on the net now. Amazing how information is disappearing on the web anymore.
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Post by grumpybill on Jan 9, 2018 16:00:49 GMT -5
We (electricians) feared the Iron workers the most. Screw with one of them and they would get the height on you and "accidentally" drop something that could put a hole in your hard hat. Reminds of the time a certain grumpy bricklayer foreman found it necessary to show a safety inspector why it's not a good idea to stand in the "restricted area" under my his scaffolding. A 12" concrete block makes a hell of a WUMP! when it falls from 60 feet up and lands near you. Made him forget what he was there to complain about. ETA: Electricians also need to get along with bricklayers if they don't want their conduit plugged with mortar.
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Post by youp50 on Jan 9, 2018 17:53:15 GMT -5
Fitters crabby? Bah Humbug! Always leave competence unto itself.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 9, 2018 18:54:52 GMT -5
Grumbling and vengeances being uttered in back ground, this could go south in a hurry. I no longer act as a mediator, have at it boys. I was 6'3" only 180 #'s soaking wet bean pole. Had a knack for arm wrestling though. I asked to arm wrestle, winner gets his way in negotiation. Never lost, and millwrights would not tell the electricians, iron workers tell the fitters, because they wanted to witness embarrassment of the other skill. Thought plan was ingenious. College boy they called me. Learned great deal from those guys.
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Post by captbob on Jan 9, 2018 19:04:47 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Jan 9, 2018 19:52:14 GMT -5
At least I could weld/torch w/the best of them back then. That got me a bit of respect in their eyes. And not bad with moving heavy equipment. I worked for Bekins Moving and Storage in college. The security safe, piano, heavy stuff department. We used cranes/lifts, I was trained in such. The plant expansions were always erecting heavy equipment 10,000 to 1/2 million pounds, in my bailiwick. Had to pour a foundation for one machine that required 346 yards of cement. big job. Engineer did not specify enough concrete, the machine shook houses up to 1/2 mile away. We had to run it at 70%.
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Post by youp50 on Jan 9, 2018 19:58:32 GMT -5
That there is funny, I don't care which college graduated you.
Trouble is you would be a fool to look at her. It got so bad that the topic would come up in orientation. Don't look at a lady or talk to her. Your action may be considered harassment.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 9, 2018 22:44:31 GMT -5
That there is funny, I don't care which college graduated you. Trouble is you would be a fool to look at her. It got so bad that the topic would come up in orientation. Don't look at a lady or talk to her. Your action may be considered harassment. Escaped 28 years ago and got my own biz. Before harassment became so paramount. Glad to have dodged that illustrious era. And the corporate back stabbing. And the promotions by incompetance. I'll engineer for myself and my own business. Screw the whole lot of them. Best move ever. Never looked back.
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Post by youp50 on Jan 10, 2018 2:43:25 GMT -5
I might go against the flow. Always found women in construction trades decent. Maybe even lonely, with men ignoring them. I guess I have never had much trouble talking to ladies.
Building trades gave me outlets to create and leave something behind. And a good paycheck with plenty of time off. I like to convert free and wild things to protein.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 10, 2018 4:50:39 GMT -5
I might go against the flow. Always found women in construction trades decent. Maybe even lonely, with men ignoring them. I guess I have never had much trouble talking to ladies. Building trades gave me outlets to create and leave something behind. And a good paycheck with plenty of time off. I like to convert free and wild things to protein. " I like to convert free and wild things to protein" Please explain. Lots of gals worked in the landscape biz. They'd work you into the dirt and never complain.
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Post by youp50 on Jan 10, 2018 7:03:41 GMT -5
Free and wild things... deer, black bear, various salmonoid. Some lady at a health food store was explaining how some peace exercise she does in the woods gives off positive energy and deer and bear come up to her. I explained my predatory nature and they always ran away from me. She was reluctant to demonstrate for me, I explained I would wear camo, she wasn't buying in. She did eat a plant based diet. I would have gladly given her the contents of the paunch...
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Post by grumpybill on Jan 10, 2018 7:12:11 GMT -5
I might go against the flow. Always found women in construction trades decent. Back when women first started entering the building trades, a friend owned an excavating company. He preferred to hire women as flaggers. They were more attentive and traffic was more likely to stop for them. He had a female apprentice operator who was always the first to stick her hands into a bucket of grease when changing buckets on the machine. (Maybe felt the need to prove herself?) I only ever met two female bricklayers. One could hold her own against any man on the crew...especially when it came to cussing. The other expected special treatment and help if the masonry units weighed more than 10lbs. Then she filed discrimination charges when the local booted her from the apprenticeship program for failing to attend classes. The pleasure of driving past a building and thinking/saying "I built that". Yep. Even with an 8 or 9 month masonry season here, I paid off 3 mortgages early. It's a shame kids today would rather get a (nearly) worthless college degree when the building and mechanical trades are crying for people.
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Post by 1dave on Jan 10, 2018 9:00:24 GMT -5
Within 20 years 70-80% of the buildings I worked on were torn down and replaced with new construction. The price of modernization I guess.
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Post by youp50 on Jan 10, 2018 18:25:38 GMT -5
Within 20 years 70-80% of the buildings I worked on were torn down and replaced with new construction. The price of modernization I guess. As a fitter I worked on quite a few mines, various mills, auto factories, and power houses. Most are there for the long haul. Not mines though, they are built to extract for the life of the ore body. 12 million pounds of copper extracted from the Lake Superior district. Worked on the last to close and the only operating primary nickle mine in the States. Lots of test drilling going on. Three more mines in the permitting process.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 13, 2018 5:20:33 GMT -5
Well, I don't have any claims to fame other than serving the masters of trades. It was my job to ask what was needed to get the job done better and build or have it built. My bosses were the men doing the work making me a servant to all of them. I saved many from hernias and injured backs. Increased work flow and productivity. By listening to many people that were often referred to as 'uneducated' people that were masters of their trade. It was a liberal approach to have a high level degreed engineer perform this task but was the best job I ever had. The best job because the concept worked so well. This alliance was powerful and effective. The company management was clever enough to know that the man doing his particular skill was the man holding the PHD for this task. That all resources should be put in this man's hands for this particular task and keep staff infection and desk jocks out of it.
ETA: I often had to build the prototypes myself in a union shop as member of management. Was granted liberties and was protected from 'the rules'.
Update on HDPE barrel:
The weld bead on the inside of the HDPE barrels is still intact in the first barrel commissioned. It has been running 24/7 in the harshest of conditions at high speed and most aggressive abrasive. Such a protrusion on the inside wall of a rotary barrel running coarse SiC is highly vulnerable to wear. Holds 25 pounds, took 20 minutes to weld together on frying pans with zero skill, and only cost $70. Four such barrels running with no leakage or sign of weld failure. Estimated life span with no repairs or replacement parts running 24/7 w/coarsest of grit estimated at about 5 years for SDR 17, double for SDR 11. Beware that SDR 11 barrels would be about twice as heavy and have less volume due to extra wall thickness. Little cost difference. Quick to remove 6 inch Fernco cap allows plenty of access and allows a large amount of gas expansion visible by bulging due to it's flexibility. Warning when removing Fernco cap when bulging beyond 2 inches. Aim away from body when loosening band clamp(s). Daul band clamps suggested when running high gas generation materials like glass, concrete, obsidian and metals. At 4 psi expect over 100 pounds of force to launch Fernco cap when loosening band clamp. Double force at 8 psi.
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Post by MrP on Jan 13, 2018 6:16:24 GMT -5
jamesp Could you give me the info of the HDPE suppler you bought your fittings from? Thanks.............................MrP
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Post by jamesp on Jan 13, 2018 6:35:26 GMT -5
jamesp Could you give me the info of the HDPE suppler you bought your fittings from? Thanks.............................MrP On a visit I walked in and bought some fittings from these 2 companies Michael. Consolidated may have had better pricing for peons, but limited on-site stock. No matter, they would probably have anything dropped shipped. Cavco had every fitting for tumbler barrels in stock imaginable but may have raised the 'peon' price. Better to call them and not let either company let them know you are a hobby person/individual, phone prices were way lower than me showing up on-site as an individual. I had to look at the inventory before I could make an educated purchase, so they knew I was an individual. Cavco - hdpepipeco.com/Contact_Us.htmlConsolidated - www.consolidatedpipe.com/locations/Let me know if you have any questions and how you do.
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Post by Wooferhound on Jan 14, 2018 16:14:40 GMT -5
Oh No , there are 2 locations within 20 miles of me. The QT66 machine uses 6.5 inch barrels. Thinking about getting a 12 pound barrel.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 15, 2018 6:08:25 GMT -5
Oh No , there are 2 locations within 20 miles of me. The QT66 machine uses 6.5 inch barrels. Thinking about getting a 12 pound barrel. I would guess a 12 pound barrel would be about 10 to 12 inches long using 8 inch pipe. Maybe 16 inches long using 6 inch pipe. it is easy to weld 2 fittings or pipes to each other. More complicated welding a flat plate to a pipe or fitting, heating the plate just around the edge requires way higher skill woofer. Or specific tooling. the only reason I mention this is the fittings are long, by the time you weld an end cap to a reducer the barrel may be to long for your tumbler rollers. i found 'Oneida' brand 1/2" thick HDPE butcher board at Home Goods store for $7.99, about 12" X 18" . It welds well to the pipe and fittings, cheap. For end plate. Just the 4" to 8" reducer on left probably holds 15 pounds. It is 8" SDR 17. To close of the right side I used the end cap shown, it holds another 10 pounds of rock. But adds length. If you welded a plate to it to close it off it would be about 15 pound barrel and be much shorter. cheaper. But how to weld plate ? I wanted/made a 12 pound short barrel but had to cut the very tip of the end cap off. 8" SDR 17. Barrel at lower right Closer, barrel on left. Holds 7 quarts of water. Note end cap has been cut way shorter. Fry pan welded.
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Post by MrP on Jan 15, 2018 8:02:29 GMT -5
jamesp You are correct about weldinf a plate on the end being more difficult. I made a tub for the Viking and the first try failed. I heated the whole plate but could not get an even enough heat to make a good seal. The second end was better but still not good. I tried using a solder iron to weld the seam but also did not have good results so I ended up knocking the ends off and started over. I warmed the end plate for 15 min. then used an heat gun to heat the part that was to be welded. As you know timing is everything in plastic welding so my welds have a large bead inside the tub. I will be making barrels for the rotary and will be using end plates on those so I may learn how to do it right by the time I get to the last one...................................MrP By the way jamesp SIZE does matter!
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