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Post by fantastic5 on May 16, 2018 11:01:36 GMT -5
Help!!! I'm at a loss. How would I create a double balled headpin, similar to what you see here. I know how to make a single balled headpin. But how do I ball up the other side without hurting the beads, stone, glass, whatever is on the headpin? Rio Chill Gel? I don't want to make these specific earrings, but if I knew how to do this it would open up a lot of design possibilities. melhill1659 toiv0 zekesman rockjunquie Drummond Island Rocks orrum radio Don
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Post by rockjunquie on May 16, 2018 11:05:15 GMT -5
I have done something similar by doing one side and then balling up the second after it was put together. It can be done. You notice if you look close that some of the balls are slightly bent on one side. They couldn't get it balled up flush.
eta Oops- didn't think abt the beads. Yeah, chill gel, I guess.
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Post by opalpyrexia on May 16, 2018 15:02:46 GMT -5
It looks like there's enough room on the pins to also insert a physical shield/heatsink with a slot for the pin. It must have been done very quickly with a small, super-hot flame of propane or acetylene with oxygen.
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Post by Pat on May 16, 2018 15:10:58 GMT -5
I’d surround the wire to be balled with a heat shield. Interesting challenge!
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Post by rockpickerforever on May 16, 2018 15:25:51 GMT -5
Could you make your own headpin using a short length of ss round wire and two round ss balls with hole in center? You could glue on using CA, or if you are a purist, a tiny piece of solder and a quick hit with a torch. Actually, a through hole would allow you to just hit the outer end, or even the ball itself. And you could fix the ball on one end before assembling, only have to solder (or glue) once after it has been assembled. Heat shield around earring underneath where ball is being affixed. Just thinking out loud, don't know if it would work or not
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Post by orrum on May 16, 2018 17:26:02 GMT -5
Not a clue, not a beaded. Holler at Di/drocknut.
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Post by toiv0 on May 16, 2018 19:05:13 GMT -5
I think heat sink or cool gel, never done it. I tried to resize a ring with the stone in water and the water pulled all the heat and didn't solder. Silver conducts heat very well. So hot and fast.
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Post by fantastic5 on May 17, 2018 7:08:42 GMT -5
Not a clue, not a beaded. Holler at Di/drocknut. drocknut?
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Post by orrum on May 17, 2018 7:30:18 GMT -5
Yes Diane loves beading. Send her a pm if she doesn't see this.
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Post by orrum on May 17, 2018 7:30:47 GMT -5
Yes Diane loves beading. Send her a pm if she doesn't see this.
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Post by Pat on May 17, 2018 9:08:34 GMT -5
Whichever process you use, I'd use fine silver. Balls turn out smooth and and shiny. No pits. Don't need pickling. Fine silver also is slower to tarnish.
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Post by drocknut on May 17, 2018 9:58:08 GMT -5
Not a clue, not a beaded. Holler at Di/drocknut. drocknut? I'm not a silversmith and it looks like they did do it by some sort of heat shielding or cool gel but you could also consider using the glue on ball end beads or end caps like the ones used for memory wire. Here's a link: ball end caps
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Post by Don on May 17, 2018 10:35:02 GMT -5
a heat shield to protect the stones and a very hot flame. Get in and out as quick as possible. Acty/air isn't going to be hot enough. You'll need an oxy/acty torch.
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Post by fantastic5 on May 17, 2018 12:16:23 GMT -5
a heat shield to protect the stones and a very hot flame. Get in and out as quick as possible. Acty/air isn't going to be hot enough. You'll need an oxy/acty torch. I do have the Rio Chill gel, but have only used it on my solderite pad. I'll have to see if it is thick enough to cover beads or stones while suspended in a third hand. I do have an Acty/O2 Smiths Little torch set up. I just don't use it as often because of the soot on start up. I switched to propane/02, but it's easy just to put the Acetylene tank back on. On another note Don . I found your ETSY page by accident when looking at mokume gane rings. Out of curiosity, where do you buy your mokume from? Rio's is so expensive, it didn't look like you had a big enough mark up. Pat , I've been using a lot of fine silver for earwires, headpins and granules just because of how nice fine silver is. The earwires seem to stay soft even after I hammer to work harden and tumble them for a long time. But they are just for me, so I don't mind.
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Post by Pat on May 17, 2018 12:36:07 GMT -5
fantastic5. When you use the rawhide hammer, are you also using a steel block? Or use metal hammer, and just hammer the front part of the earring—-the part that doesn’t go through your ear.
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Post by fantastic5 on May 17, 2018 12:49:47 GMT -5
fantastic5. When you use the rawhide hammer, are you also using a steel block? Or use metal hammer, and just hammer the front part of the earring—-the part that doesn’t go through your ear. I do both. I usually hammer the front part and top curve of the earring flat, then rawhide as much of the earwire that I can fit on the bench block. Usually just the balled loop portion is not on the block. Then I'll tumble for about 30-60 minutes in jewelers shot with a little water and dish soap. They still feel soft to me, not spring hard by any stretch. Maybe I'm just expecting too much from fine silver. My sterling earwires reach spring hard.
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Post by rockjunquie on May 17, 2018 16:44:53 GMT -5
fantastic5 . When you use the rawhide hammer, are you also using a steel block? Or use metal hammer, and just hammer the front part of the earring—-the part that doesn’t go through your ear. I do both. I usually hammer the front part and top curve of the earring flat, then rawhide as much of the earwire that I can fit on the bench block. Usually just the balled loop portion is not on the block. Then I'll tumble for about 30-60 minutes in jewelers shot with a little water and dish soap. They still feel soft to me, not spring hard by any stretch. Maybe I'm just expecting too much from fine silver. My sterling earwires reach spring hard. Fine silver is not capable of becoming hard or even half hard. That is why sterling silver was invented. Fine is not practicable. Like pure gold is too soft.
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Post by melhill1659 on Jun 11, 2018 4:39:06 GMT -5
Help!!! I'm at a loss. How would I create a double balled headpin, similar to what you see here. I know how to make a single balled headpin. But how do I ball up the other side without hurting the beads, stone, glass, whatever is on the headpin? Rio Chill Gel? I don't want to make these specific earrings, but if I knew how to do this it would open up a lot of design possibilities. melhill1659 toiv0 zekesman rockjunquie Drummond Island Rocks orrum radio Don I’d say use glass beads or beads that can take a little heat and stay away from plastic. You probably guessed that already. 2nd) solder ss balls to ends with Easy solder??? My suggestions since I’ve never actually tried that design. Miss Ya woman
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