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Post by johnw on Jan 21, 2019 20:26:07 GMT -5
johnw I can't say unequivocally that it is fossilized larvae but I can state that it is absolutely not palm root. False marketing is not marketing, it's fraud. One could argue that in our case the lie has no effect on the finished product so it's not unreasonable to say no harm, no foul, but that doesn't change the fact that it's not palm root. If you purchased something marketed as a natural stone and later found that it was altered or perhaps a manmade material and not stone at all, would you be okay with their marketing strategy? It should tumble fine since it's agate, It is difficult to work with because of the fractures and micropits, but does take a fine polish. Rockoonz I certainly agree with your premise that "false marketing is being unethical" no contest there, but that is not my point. My whole issue here is the notion somebody would call a product "Maggot Agate" when there are other terms that could be used that would be considerably more acceptable and descriptive. Final example: Diapers as opposed to baby poop holders, it's all in how it's said and perceived. I will still effort to get a reading on this material from an "official" source so it can be put to rest. In the meantime I will add this to my specimen collection since I really like the color. It's pleasing to the eye, well at least to my eye ,being I am blind in one eye and can't see outa the other (joke). Thanks for the heads up on the tumbling. The supplier of the piece shown said I may have issues with the outer layer but the inside should tumble well because they are agate, being, just what you said. When I said I did not have a dog in this fight, it was true but that has now changed. Reason being, I was at that time bidding on eBay but I have now won the bid. So now I do have a "dog" in the game. It's the first time I have ever really paid any attention to this type of material, since I have been focused on Bahia's and Big Crazy's, but when I saw this piece the colors really knocked my socks off. I will post some additional pictures and you can be the judge.........Should I call it "Maggot Agate" or "Eye Candy" A bit long winded I know, The next four images are with the piece being wet, the last one is when it's dry EC1 Dims are 5-1/2" x 2-1/2" x 3-1/2" weight is 1 pound 8 ounces. As much as I can, I cannot see any maggots. Cheers, johnw
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Post by johnw on Jan 21, 2019 23:27:14 GMT -5
I could not find any real information about it, as you said. But, I don't think that the maggot agate is fossilized palm root. I would think that either of the 2 Indonesian websites, or both, would picture the "maggot agate" if that was where it was from. rockjunquie: I agree and have seen the links when I was doing my research, thanks for the effort anyway. Oh, and I have just been able to link into the Q&A portion of Minerals.Net and asked for a certified geological name from the Minerals.Net forum for Indonesian Agatized Palm Root rough. I sent the picture we have here so they can see. I should get some form of response in a couple of weeks. They are generally slow in getting questions answered. When I get a response I will share it. Cheers, johnw
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Post by johnw on Jan 22, 2019 12:38:24 GMT -5
How about instead of maggot agate - ewwww- it be called metamorphosis agate? After all, larva is but one phase of a metamorphosis. rockjunquie ...Agree, just like "oxophonic compound" is a ephamism for BS. Note: Being a politically correct person and in deference to moderators, I used oxophonic compound being a mild or indirect expression substituted for one considered to be too harsh or blunt when referring to something unpleasant or embarrassing. Cheers, johnw
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 22, 2019 14:17:01 GMT -5
johnw - Am I right in assuming that you have some of this material? Because I was thinking that you could make a fun contest with it. If you have a small piece to spare and even if you don't, wouldn't it be fun to have a "name that rock contest"?
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Post by johnw on Jan 22, 2019 15:19:59 GMT -5
johnw - Am I right in assuming that you have some of this material? Because I was thinking that you could make a fun contest with it. If you have a small piece to spare and even if you don't, wouldn't it be fun to have a "name that rock contest"? Hello, rockjunquie, the only piece I currently have is the one posted here: Dims are 5-1/2" x 2-1/2" x 3-1/2" weight is 1 pound 8 ounces and have more of approximately the same size and weight coming in, plus I am hoping to get some more either being 5-10-15-20 pounders depending on the responses to my original post. While I purchase this stuff from eBay and will hopefully get some biggies from the Tucson show the name on the purchase documents is Indonesian Agatized Palm Root and all things considered will remain that way. That said, given we have a discussion going on about the correct name for the material and in that I will develop a thread at a later date called: "Eye Candy, no matter the real name" I have no objection to you having a contest to come up with a name for the rock. My entry would be, well, err, you gotta know what's coming up....Is" "Eye Candy." If you have specifics you can always send me a PM. BTW, Maggot Agate is a non starter. Cheers, johnw
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Post by johnw on Jan 22, 2019 17:48:29 GMT -5
I took the piece over to The Big Crazy'x Pastry Shop and the cookers went wild, they told me they had never seen such a spectacular stone before having just concentrated on Laguna Lace Specimens from Chihuahua. They asked me to leave the stone with them so they could work their magic on it and gave me what is shown below. They fully support the notion of a contest to find a name for the rock. Their suggestion was "Spectaculite." Here be their modification for our visual pleasure. Cheers, johnw Spectaculite (aka) Eye Candy
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Post by Rockoonz on Jan 22, 2019 22:27:13 GMT -5
johnw to be fair, when he takes it to shows Jeff has a sign on it that says "Indonesian Palm Root??". If he isn't asked, I doubt he presents his opinion of what it is. I could be wrong though, he's almost as stubbornly opinionated as me. I should probably make intarsia hearts with it and some Utah Coprolite, those special expressive valentines gifts. What? No poop emoticons? Proboards needs to get with it.
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Post by johnw on Jan 23, 2019 0:26:35 GMT -5
johnw to be fair, when he takes it to shows Jeff has a sign on it that says "Indonesian Palm Root??". If he isn't asked, I doubt he presents his opinion of what it is. I could be wrong though, he's almost as stubbornly opinionated as me. I should probably make intarsia hearts with it and some Utah Coprolite, those special expressive valentines gifts. What? No poop emoticons? Proboards needs to get with it. Rockoonz : well, it seems we have now come round Robin, so thanks for your explanation and I guess the guy is not as dumb as he sounds. That said, rockjunquie how do you want to handle the err,....... Wait for it.........drum roll please........taraaaaaaa............. "Name That Rock" contest? Let me know. Cheers, johnw
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Post by fernwood on Jan 23, 2019 4:55:06 GMT -5
Waiting patiently for the other examples of this material to arrive in your capable hands and be shown here.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 23, 2019 9:21:35 GMT -5
johnw The contest section is open to all members. Just come up with a plan, post it and decide a winner. It could be just for fun or you could award any kind of prize. I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with. If you like, you can PM me to run the idea by me.
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Post by miket on Jan 23, 2019 11:12:43 GMT -5
No matter the name, it's certainly a beautiful specimen John! How about "Mike's rock"
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Post by johnw on Jan 23, 2019 13:12:04 GMT -5
Waiting patiently for the other examples of this material to arrive in your capable hands and be shown here. fernwood Wow, no pressure here right?..... Cheers, johnw
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Post by johnw on Jan 23, 2019 13:13:38 GMT -5
johnw The contest section is open to all members. Just come up with a plan, post it and decide a winner. It could be just for fun or you could award any kind of prize. I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with. If you like, you can PM me to run the idea by me. Will send you a PM to discuss. Cheers, johnw
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Post by johnw on Jan 23, 2019 13:19:27 GMT -5
No matter the name, it's certainly a beautiful specimen John! How about "Mike's rock" miket: Thanks for the compliment Mike. Err, well, if we are going to have a contest, which is being discussed now, there can be no jumping the gun since just like eBay the first bidder gets the shot in case of a tie. Hope you understand. Cheers, johnw
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Post by miket on Jan 23, 2019 15:17:12 GMT -5
No matter the name, it's certainly a beautiful specimen John! How about "Mike's rock" miket : Thanks for the compliment Mike. Err, well, if we are going to have a contest, which is being discussed now, there can be no jumping the gun since just like eBay the first bidder gets the shot in case of a tie. Hope you understand. Cheers, johnw Perfectly understandable my friend
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Post by johnw on Jan 24, 2019 1:05:12 GMT -5
RTH family, I have gone back to Tela ( rockjunquie ) with some suggestions and we are discussing the how to's and wherefore's and the what-not's associated with the "Name that Rock" contest. I have asked Tommy to add his opinions as to how we can make this an even more spectacular contest............ TBC.......Cheers, johnw
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Post by Tommy on Jan 25, 2019 10:25:52 GMT -5
"Name that Rock" contest. I have asked Tommy to add his opinions as to how we can make this an even more spectacular contest............ TBC.......Cheers, johnw Hi John, as Tela said above the Competitions and Fun Contests board is open for all members to post new games of their own creation. My advice to make it a spectacular contest would be to create a devoted thread in that board, actively and enthusiastically manage it, clearly define the rules and spell out how to participate, and clearly state the closing date or situation. Sorry that's all I've got at the moment from a direct participation standpoint. I'm four RTH projects backed up and overdue at the moment (including julieooly's shirt, Kai's rocks, and the traveling rock box) while still neck deep in painting, unpacking, and rebuilding my lapidary workshop. It's a nightmare I never want to live through again
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Post by stephan on Jan 26, 2019 12:44:30 GMT -5
The trouble with what you are saying is that there is already something called Indonesian petrified palm root and it doesn't look remotely similar. That would be confusing at the least and misleading at the worst. rockjunquie: Interesting comment. You don't suppose there can be more than one variety of what you call Indonesion palm root? Just sayin? Cheers, johnw I wouldn’t think that to be impossible. Different species. Different ages. Different compositions of silica/minerals....
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Post by johnw on Jan 26, 2019 12:57:42 GMT -5
rockjunquie : Interesting comment. You don't suppose there can be more than one variety of what you call Indonesion palm root? Just sayin? Cheers, johnw I wouldn’t think that to be impossible. Different species. Different ages. Different compositions of silica/minerals.... stephan: Thanks, that was exactly my point. Cheers, johnw
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Post by johnw on Jan 26, 2019 16:55:04 GMT -5
I no longer WTB since I have located what I was looking for so have moved the thread to Specimen Photos........and now, more "Eye Candy" coming up. Cheers, johnw EC2 Weighs in at 1#-6oz Dims are:3.5"x4.5"x2.5" Image by Linda Closer look Maggot Agate... I don't think so.... Eye Candy, decidedly yes. But then, that's just my opinion. That's all for now.........TBC ......................Cheers, johnw
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