Tracie
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Post by Tracie on Sept 17, 2022 23:11:41 GMT -5
I tried uploading a picture , but I am having issues… I have a pretty old model diamond pacific genie, in fact genie is spelled “genii” on the baseboard. It is a baldor 1/4 hp model. First problem is, I have tried everything and I can not get the left hand shaft off to replace the wheels! I recently purchased new right and left hand shafts for the genie… The second problem is, I can’t seem to fit the right hand shaft on it. Excuse my technical terms, I am an amateur, the opening/innards of the shaft is to big for the rod of steel that is coming out of the side of the motor. According to the website I got it from, the shaft has a 1/4-20 opening? I think my husband said it was an 5/8 inch opening, it appears that the rod of steel on the side of the motor is quite shorter and skinner, 1/4 inch. What am I suppose to do, to get this shaft to fit on? Am I missing a part? Thank you so much to anyone who can help. Tracie
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Post by Rockoonz on Sept 18, 2022 1:11:52 GMT -5
Did you verify with Diamond Pacific that your old Genii used the shaft adaptors? I saw your other post about it being the original style machine with the wood spool polishers on the right side, and if I correctly recall the one like it that I saw somewhere, I think the motor is not the same as the later ones. But I could be wrong.
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hummingbirdstones2
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Post by hummingbirdstones2 on Sept 18, 2022 10:11:36 GMT -5
The shaft adapters on current model Genies are different, as Rockoonz indicated.
They do have a 1/4-20 hole on the "solid" end for mounting polishing heads onto the end of the shaft.
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Tracie
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Post by Tracie on Sept 18, 2022 13:53:34 GMT -5
Yes, it definitely is the style with the wood spool polishers on the right side. After I took the wood spool off, underneath it is just under 2 1/2 inches long, and just under 1/2 wide (not 1/4 like I started earlier above) with about an inch or so of threading. On the left is a shaft that fits 2 wheels, and I can not get it off for the life of me, with the wheels still on it appears to look different from the right hand side. I have searched the internet everywhere to possibly get information or manuals, but have found nothing.
Rockoonz- You are probably right it being a diffferent motor model.. No I did not verify with diamond pacific, I guess giving them a call might not be a bad idea. Hummingbird- what do you mean by “solid”? I don’t quite understand..
So with all of this, is it possible for this model to achieve what I am looking for, 3 wheels on each side? Is there an adaptor for my adaptor, lol? I don’t know what my next steps should be, or if this motor is essentially useless for what I want.
I really appreciate everyone’s input, I know very few people in this expertise…
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Tracie
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Post by Tracie on Sept 18, 2022 18:16:02 GMT -5
Rockoonz@hummingbirdstones2 Figured out how to upload photos…
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Post by catmandewe on Sept 18, 2022 18:26:28 GMT -5
That machine will only take 2 wheels on each side and it does not have the capability to use the right hand arbors that the newer machines do. You will have to lock the right hand shaft down with a pair of Locking vise grips and then turn the nut off the left side (it is a left hand thread so you have to turn it backwards) to get it off, if it hasnt been removed in a long time it will be hard to do. When you have it apart put a light coat of oil on the shafts and it will make it easier next time. After you put the left side back together take the vise grips off and run the machine with the right shaft bare and clean the burrs up that are left from the vise grips with some emory cloth.
Good Luck Tony
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Tracie
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Post by Tracie on Sept 18, 2022 22:13:11 GMT -5
That machine will only take 2 wheels on each side and it does not have the capability to use the right hand arbors that the newer machines do. You will have to lock the right hand shaft down with a pair of Locking vise grips and then turn the nut off the left side (it is a left hand thread so you have to turn it backwards) to get it off, if it hasnt been removed in a long time it will be hard to do. When you have it apart put a light coat of oil on the shafts and it will make it easier next time. After you put the left side back together take the vise grips off and run the machine with the right shaft bare and clean the burrs up that are left from the vise grips with some emory cloth. Good Luck Tony Can it only take 2 wheels on each side because of the the length of the shaft coming out of the side of the motor? Thanks for the tips on getting the left side off… What do you think I need to do to get 2 wheels on the right side since the newer adaptors won’t work?
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Post by hummingbirdstones2 on Sept 18, 2022 22:42:05 GMT -5
Tracie - The newer Genie "shaft adapters" have a 1/4-20 threaded hole in the end of the shaft farthest away from the motor. Since that end only has the 1/4-20 hole it's "solid" compared to the open end that threads over the shaft coming out of your motor. Sorry - mud is more clear than my description was... .
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Tracie
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Post by Tracie on Sept 19, 2022 0:35:25 GMT -5
Tracie - The newer Genie "shaft adapters" have a 1/4-20 threaded hole in the end of the shaft farthest away from the motor. Since that end only has the 1/4-20 hole it's "solid" compared to the open end that threads over the shaft coming out of your motor. Sorry - mud is more clear than my description was... . Thank you for explaining. Any suggestions on how it might be possible for me to put a couple wheels on the right hand side, or is it not really feasible? Thanks
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Post by Rockoonz on Sept 19, 2022 2:42:28 GMT -5
A 1" OD shaft like the Genie shaft, but with setscrews to hold it to the bare shaft could be made for your machine, if you know someone with a lathe. It would need to be very precise to keep the machine balanced when running. If your rolling weight in going to be increased I would also switch out the motor capacitor for the upgraded Genie one that helped to prevent motor failure.
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Post by catmandewe on Sept 19, 2022 10:53:08 GMT -5
You can put two wheels on the right side, you will need the red arbor adapters to make the wheels fit the shaft size, then you will need to put a spacer on either side of the wheels to keep the adapters from coming out, (you did get spacers with the kit you ordered), then find a nut to tighten them on there, it will be very close to the parts you have on the left side.
Tony
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Tracie
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Post by Tracie on Sept 19, 2022 12:07:31 GMT -5
A 1" OD shaft like the Genie shaft, but with setscrews to hold it to the bare shaft could be made for your machine, if you know someone with a lathe. It would need to be very precise to keep the machine balanced when running. If your rolling weight in going to be increased I would also switch out the motor capacitor for the upgraded Genie one that helped to prevent motor failure. Thanks, wow, yeah, probably more work than it’s worth.
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Tracie
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Post by Tracie on Sept 19, 2022 12:08:36 GMT -5
You can put two wheels on the right side, you will need the red arbor adapters to make the wheels fit the shaft size, then you will need to put a spacer on either side of the wheels to keep the adapters from coming out, (you did get spacers with the kit you ordered), then find a nut to tighten them on there, it will be very close to the parts you have on the left side. Tony So after I put the red arbor adaptors in I could put the wheels directing on the current shaft with a nut at the end?
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Post by catmandewe on Sept 19, 2022 21:29:32 GMT -5
You can put two wheels on the right side, you will need the red arbor adapters to make the wheels fit the shaft size, then you will need to put a spacer on either side of the wheels to keep the adapters from coming out, (you did get spacers with the kit you ordered), then find a nut to tighten them on there, it will be very close to the parts you have on the left side. Tony So after I put the red arbor adaptors in I could put the wheels directing on the current shaft with a nut at the end? Yes, you will also need spacers between the wheels to keep your spacing.
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Tracie
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Post by Tracie on Sept 19, 2022 22:39:39 GMT -5
catmandeweRockoonz@hummingbirdstones2 Thanks everyone for all your information and advice. It sounds like this machine really isn’t worth my time. I bought it off one of my only rockhound friends for what he paid for it, $300. I called him today to ask him a few questions about it and told him what was going on. Him being more of a rockhound than into lapidaries he had no idea it wouldn’t do what I wanted. Luckily for me, he offered to buy it back, he can find use for it around his shop and he never meant for it to be burden, how kind. So it’s back to the drawing board… does anyone know if you can buy lapidary arbors/grinders without the wheels?
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Post by Rockoonz on Sept 20, 2022 10:33:11 GMT -5
Tracie yes, and it appears to even be in stock right now. It will require a motor as well, Amazon has them for around $200, plus about another $15 for everything to install a switch and power cord. I have a thread with the way I do it that I can link if you wish. kingsleynorth.com/6-6-wheel-stainless-steel-arbor-with-water-cooling-system.htmlIf you call them they may have even more options, their website search can be kinda hit and miss.
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Tracie
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Post by Tracie on Sept 20, 2022 11:20:31 GMT -5
Rockoonz I was looking at the same one you posted from Kingsley north but on Rock Peddler but for $500, a few hundred less. I was considering it, how do I know what motor to get? And why do you have to have a pulley system for something like that but not for models like the genie? Thanks
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Post by Rockoonz on Sept 20, 2022 12:29:14 GMT -5
Rockoonz I was looking at the same one you posted from Kingsley north but on Rock Peddler but for $500, a few hundred less. I was considering it, how do I know what motor to get? And why do you have to have a pulley system for something like that but not for models like the genie? Thanks Wow, I'll have to look at the Rock Peddler for future recomendations. A 1/3HP or 1/2HP AC 1ph 1725-1800RPM motor would work well. I would go with TEFC to eliminate any risk of water getting inside. I also prefer the 48 frame size to the larger 56. I'll add a sample from Amazon at the bottom. Speaking of Pulley you would also get a pulley for the motor the same size as the one on the arbor unit. The Genie, Cab King, Vevor and others like them have a stationary grinder motor as the base. The advantage to it is that when new there is no assembly needed and they are usually not as "deep" in size on your bench. The disadvantage is the higher up front cost and if/when the motor fails it will be a lot more expensive and time consuming to repair. I have a Genie because I was in the right place at the right time and got a great deal on a used one. Since we both cut cabs I will soon start building my own 6 wheel unit. The wheels will have a lot more distance between them, also an advantage of most of the arbors with separate motors. I couldn't find a 1/3hp or a 48 frame on a quick search, this looked best. Farm duty is one step up from TEFC in terms of waterproof. 1/2 HP farm duty www.amazon.com/Electric-Compressor-1750RPM-115-230V-Diameter/dp/B094FWC7RC/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=1%2F2HP+TEFC&qid=1663694282&s=lamps-light&sr=1-6
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Tracie
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Post by Tracie on Sept 22, 2022 16:54:08 GMT -5
Rockoonz Sorry, I need to correct myself, I saw that same Lortone arbor on Jerrysrockandgem.com, not rock peddler! Thanks for the info, I am going to look into it. I do like the idea of no assembly required and it being a little smaller with the genie. Plus I have heard many good things about the machine and I now have 2 genie adaptors that will be useless without one. I called diamond pacific and it sounds like I can purchase one without the wheels, I am currently waiting to hear back from a dealer to find out how much I can get one for. It sounds like you definitely have enough knowledge to build your own 6 wheel cabber!
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