keiths
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Post by keiths on May 25, 2023 21:43:08 GMT -5
I want to try my hand at cabbing, with the ultimate goal of mounting them in various bezels, drops, and the like. What I am not clear on is matching cab size for the settings. Most templates that I have found are either not marked with dimensions at all, or are marked in inches. The mounts seem to all be sized in metric. Circles would not be difficult to match, but ovals and ellipses would. Does one just buy various settings and cut the cab to match? Or, am I missing something obvious?
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Post by rockjunquie on May 25, 2023 21:50:08 GMT -5
I want to try my hand at cabbing, with the ultimate goal of mounting them in various bezels, drops, and the like. What I am not clear on is matching cab size for the settings. Most templates that I have found are either not marked with dimensions at all, or are marked in inches. The mounts seem to all be sized in metric. Circles would not be difficult to match, but ovals and ellipses would. Does one just buy various settings and cut the cab to match? Or, am I missing something obvious? For what you are describing, you buy the blank pieces and cut to match. Most template companies offer standard templates (ovals and circles) that are calibrated for use in jewelry settings.
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Post by Pat on May 25, 2023 22:23:03 GMT -5
Eventually, you can make your own bezels to fit your cab. Enjoy!
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QuailRiver
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Post by QuailRiver on May 26, 2023 17:44:57 GMT -5
Here is a link to a good set of standardized cabochon templates. These same style templates have been in production for over 50 years. The ovals and rectangles are the most common standardized sizes for those shapes and are the easiest to find commercial made settings for: www.rockshed.com/rock-shop/lapidary-equipment/other-useful-stuff/set-of-5-colored-templates/And as you mentioned the rounds are easy. As for most other shapes and sizes, if you want to set them, you're either going to have to learn to wrap and/or make settings. Or find someone else who can and is willing to do it for you. Howbeit, a Riker Mount case full of beautiful unset cabochons can stand alone on display most anywhere!
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Post by stardiamond on May 26, 2023 19:26:36 GMT -5
I've been making cabs for 20 years and selling them for 4. Starting with good material, there is a multiplier in value from rough to slabs to cabs to jewelry. I don't make jewelry. My skill set is for grinding not wrapping. I have thought about learning to silversmith, but I don't have an appropriate work area. I have investigate buying settings but they are generally small and I work larger. I don't like cutting circles and ovals and pear shape tend to be small. Maybe someday I will partner with a silversmith trading cabs for jewelry.
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Post by jasoninsd on May 27, 2023 1:00:37 GMT -5
I want to try my hand at cabbing, with the ultimate goal of mounting them in various bezels, drops, and the like. What I am not clear on is matching cab size for the settings. Most templates that I have found are either not marked with dimensions at all, or are marked in inches. The mounts seem to all be sized in metric. Circles would not be difficult to match, but ovals and ellipses would. Does one just buy various settings and cut the cab to match? Or, am I missing something obvious? I ran into a problem like you're describing when I was making cabs to put in some belt buckle blanks. The circles were fine...because the buckles were made for silver dollars...so I just used a silver dollar as a template. The ovals were a different story. I have oval templates which cover nearly every oval shape. However, none of them seemed to match the shape I needed exactly. In a case like that, you can use a piece of paper and trim it as needed until it fits your mount perfectly...then use that paper as your template for your cabs...
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Post by realrockhound on May 27, 2023 7:50:50 GMT -5
I just buy my stencils with the dimensions. The ones I have in inches, I just do the math and convert to mm so see what bezel will fit the stencil. For odd shapes, I just trace around the bezel onto the stone and trim to match until it drops into place. Lots of easy ways to get a rock into a hole.
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khara
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Post by khara on May 27, 2023 13:39:59 GMT -5
Lots of great info here already. I would probably do the trace the bezel method and then test fit it in during initial shaping stage. Place a piece of dental floss in the bezel cup first so you can pop the stone out if you accidentally get it stuck too tight.
When I first started I didn’t know how to do silversmithing, or that it was fairly easy to learn. So, I bought some pre-made simple bezel settings, mostly ovals of various sizes cause that’s all that was available. That was a decade ago and I still haven’t used them. As I got further into the hobby and saw all that was possible for settings I realized I didn’t care much for the style of bezel cups I’d purchased. Some had a decorative perimeter or bail style I didn’t really like. I’d bought them because I thought that’s all there was out there for setting cabs. Anyway I ended up finding a beginner metalsmithing class and in one class was capable of making my own bezel settings. Now, there are a ton of YouTube videos out there on this too. You may find that as you start learning to cab, you’ll be exposed to other areas of this hobby and be more drawn to another style of setting. So I say all that as sort of a not to worry suggestion. Maybe just start making cabs in all shapes to learn and get practice. You’ll probably start having a favorite shape to cut. Try some standard ovals for easy drop-in pre-made settings too. But you’ll have a variety of ways to set them no matter the shape and could always try selling or trading some too.
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Post by stardiamond on May 27, 2023 14:08:27 GMT -5
A customer bought two cabs from me and liked Nipomo marcasite and asked for a large ring size stone. I had some small pieces and used the 23x16 pear from the gold template. I had practice with that shape making earrings for a silversmith in New Mexico. The customer made the ring and sold it in a few hours. She did a beautiful job pairing the stone and the setting. I wouldn't have the patience for that level of detail.
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Post by rmf on May 28, 2023 7:24:16 GMT -5
If you start cabbing you cut the stone to fit the setting. If you start making jewelry you buy a stone and make the setting to fit. There are more jewelers out there than cabbers I think, so most people seem to want the finished cab then make jewelry around it.
When I started I purchased mounts them cut the stones for them. The set of templates above was standard fare years ago. Templates have multiplied and all my new ones do not list sizes.
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Post by Rockoonz on May 28, 2023 10:27:42 GMT -5
I sometimes make my own stencils like jasoninsd, with settings like belt buckles that stray from the standard templates I start by tracing them out and trimming to fit, and if I like it or have more blanks to cut stones for I will cut out a permanent one from reused plastic from bubble packaging or cottage cheese tub lids. Sometimes when struggling with a designer/freeform shape that needs center line symmetry I will trace a half template in clear plastic when I'm happy with one side of the stone, flip it over, and use it to get the other side matching.
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keiths
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Post by keiths on May 30, 2023 14:54:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses. There is a lot to consider. Meanwhile, I finished cutting some slabs for cabs. I'll begin working them in the next day or so.
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Post by jasoninsd on May 30, 2023 21:29:52 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses. There is a lot to consider. Meanwhile, I finished cutting some slabs for cabs. I'll begin working them in the next day or so. I have such a bear of a time with the Noreena I have! I'll be watching for your results with that! I bet the Mookaite is going to take a HIGH shine!
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keiths
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Post by keiths on Jun 4, 2023 17:15:26 GMT -5
Well, I got a few "done". First ones. The Mookaite was tricky, the whiter parts are much softer than the rest of the stones and I didn't create perfectly round cabs. Plus, these and the Oolite had several chips on the flat sides. I'm going to leave these as they are and hopefully will improve with more practice. I was surprised at how much water was used, four gallons or so with two to three cabs. But, better more than not enough. And, shine could be better.
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Post by keiths on Jun 4, 2023 17:20:50 GMT -5
I also need to get a handle on this Cloudinary. I used to use Smugmug and it was easy to embed photos pretty much anywhere using the process, but they doubled the price. I closed it and now use Flickr, but haven't figured out the embedding process. Seems Cloudinary will not accept videos.
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Post by Son Of Beach on Jun 4, 2023 18:43:14 GMT -5
I also need to get a handle on this Cloudinary. I used to use Smugmug and it was easy to embed photos pretty much anywhere using the process, but they doubled the price. I closed it and now use Flickr, but haven't figured out the embedding process. Seems Cloudinary will not accept videos. Cloudinary just lets you select files to directly upload, which it looks like you accomplished. Flickr has an option called BBC code which you can embed in the tab called BBCode on this site as well. Nice Cabs
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Jun 4, 2023 22:52:55 GMT -5
I also need to get a handle on this Cloudinary. I used to use Smugmug and it was easy to embed photos pretty much anywhere using the process, but they doubled the price. I closed it and now use Flickr, but haven't figured out the embedding process. Seems Cloudinary will not accept videos. The easiest way to upload videos is to upload it to YouTube first and then just click the share button, copy the link and just paste it in your post. It will automatically embed on RTH.
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Post by khara on Jun 5, 2023 3:10:49 GMT -5
Well it looks like you’ve made a good start and gotten a lot done.👍 Just the trim saw work alone has set you up for a good amount of practice. And apparently you’ve got all the equipment you need already too to play with. Just a matter of making them now and trial and error until you are happy with your skill level.
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