dionne
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Post by dionne on May 27, 2023 3:22:55 GMT -5
Hmm … I have 4 tumblers running on the same table. I have a Lortone 12, a Lortone double-3, a Lortone 6 and … a Mini-Sonic MT-4. Today I noticed that the Mini-Sonic is vibrating away … except it’s not turned on. It’s not plugged in. So it is dancing to the vibrations of the 3 Lortones - thru my table top. Here’s my question: when I am using the Mini-Sonic is its natural Vibrating Frequency being compromised by the twitching table? I am fearful of some dreadful kind of lapidary “Diabolus in Musica” changing the rhythm of the MT-4. I have a Mini-Sonic 14 coming …. should I put the 2 Sonics on their own Table? Does each of the Sonics need its own Table? Is all this leading towards some awful Stone Racism where all the tumblers need their own dance floor? Or am I drifting towards “woke”?
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Post by jasoninsd on May 27, 2023 6:17:15 GMT -5
Fascinating questions! I totally understand where you're coming from...and am amazed at how eloquently you worded your queries! That being said...I have NO clue! I'm tagging Wooferhound to see if he has any thoughts...
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Wooferhound
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Post by Wooferhound on May 28, 2023 17:07:58 GMT -5
I'm tagging Wooferhound to see if he has any thoughts... Where am I . . . OH , here I am ...
I have 2 Lortone tumblers , the dual 6 pound, and the single 3 pound as described under my Avatar picture. They seem to run a little bit rough in Stage 1 tumbles, especially at the very beginning of the run. But I haven't seen anything aggressive enough to vibrate things around. Make sure that you are using 3-in-1 Oil monthly on all the moving parts of your tumblers. It shouldn't have any bad Effects on your vibratory tumbler except for things moving around too much, as long as you are getting good Rolling Action you should be fine. I have squares of Carpet pad under my Rotary tumblers to make them quieter and it absorbs lots of the vibration from transferring down into the table.
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dionne
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Post by dionne on May 29, 2023 0:03:00 GMT -5
Thanks to the Wooferhound for the info and the pic of his neat set-up. But I need to be more accurate in my question. In the 17th century the Dutch inventor Christiaan Huygens set up 2 pendula on the same wooden floor. He started them swinging at different frequencies and watched as the 2 pendula tuned themselves to a Synchronicity. They fell into step with each other - they had tuned themselves thru the wooden floor. So If I set up 2 or more tumblers on the same table top [also wooden] and one of them is a Mini-Sonic - which is supposedly already tuned to an efficient frequency for the job-at-hand … will the “foreign” vibrations of the other tumblers [all those twitching Loretones] nudge my Mini-Sonic “out-of-tune.” I am reminded by the deep, deep thinkers [like Huygens] that the Universe itself is a Set of Vibrations - all tuning each other. Super-String-Theory has all of what we describe as “matter” reduced to tiny vibrations as energy itself fights to keep itself from falling into … Solid-Stuff. Maybe I should stop smoking that stuff …
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Post by jasoninsd on May 29, 2023 0:08:53 GMT -5
Thanks to the Wooferhound for the info and the pic of his neat set-up. But I need to be more accurate in my question. In the 17th century the Dutch inventor Christiaan Huygens set up 2 pendula on the same wooden floor. He started them swinging at different frequencies and watched as the 2 pendula tuned themselves to a Synchronicity. They fell into step with each other - they had tuned themselves thru the wooden floor. So If I set up 2 or more tumblers on the same table top [also wooden] and one of them is a Mini-Sonic - which is supposedly already tuned to an efficient frequency for the job-at-hand … will the “foreign” vibrations of the other tumblers [all those twitching Loretones] nudge my Mini-Sonic “out-of-tune.” I am reminded by the deep, deep thinkers [like Huygens] that the Universe itself is a Set of Vibrations - all tuning each other. Super-String-Theory has all of what we describe as “matter” reduced to tiny vibrations as energy itself fights to keep itself from falling into … Solid-Stuff. Maybe I should stop smoking that stuff … I can't stress enough what a fascinating question I find this to be. Your reasoning as to the query makes complete sense. I'm curious about the answer myself! * I'm sure someone will suggest just putting them on different shelves...but that still doesn't answer the question...it only solves the potential dilemma. I'm not sure that anyone would actually have the answer...but I'll be keeping track to see if someone does!
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dionne
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Post by dionne on May 29, 2023 0:16:10 GMT -5
Jason, you’re up late. I saw your Carbachon site - I am in awe …
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Post by jasoninsd on May 29, 2023 0:44:20 GMT -5
Jason, you’re up late. I saw your Carbachon site - I am in awe … Thanks Dionne! Yeah...staying up late is what happens when someone thinks it's a "good idea" to drink coffee in the evening! LOL
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Post by parfive on May 29, 2023 1:34:59 GMT -5
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Post by parfive on May 29, 2023 2:05:36 GMT -5
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dionne
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Post by dionne on May 29, 2023 3:17:22 GMT -5
Parfive: muy kool! I just watched the first video of the metronomes and I see my situation right at the end of the film: 4 metronomes are already in tune - then, a 5th is added with a different “tune” - it does it’s own thing for awhile but then it too “gets with the program” and falls into sync with the first 4. The key to this Synchronation is that all of the 5 Metros are placed on the same “rolling floor”. As the first part of the video shows, when the Metros are placed on something solid, non-rolling, and therefore a surface which is NOT actively transferring its Vibratory Energy. Never mind for a moment that there is actually nothing like that which exists. So my situation is similar: I have 3 Lortones [Rotary Torque] and a Mini-Sonic MT-4 [Vibratory] on the same Table Top. I built the table. It was not built for all this Rock Work. It’s not flimsy. It’s just not Strong. So the Table is acting like the Board in the video which has been set on rollers. It is Vibrating. Moving. So, yes, it is passing on its “frequencies.” And I cannot help but draw the conclusion - from your video - that sooner or later the Factory Set Frequencies of the Mini-Sonic are being … seduced, as it were … led away. And for better or worse my Mini-Sonic is “Copulating” with all those horny Loretones. Is that the way you see it?
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Post by hummingbirdstones on May 29, 2023 10:32:08 GMT -5
The big difference I see from the get go is that all of your tumblers have one thing the metronomes do not -- an electric motor. The electric motors will maintain the your tumbling action and not "synchronize" with the universe of tumblers on your table. I really don't think having the tumblers on the same table will matter at all, but you could always do your own experiment to test it.
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rockbrain
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Post by rockbrain on May 29, 2023 11:07:45 GMT -5
Except the Minisonic has no motor! I really wouldn't think it will make any difference but what do I know? Maybe it will improve action. I'd be more concerned if it was a Lot O as those seem to be a lot more finicky then the Minisonics. I've put my MT-4 on a cheap plastic table and on concrete and haven't noticed any difference. I'm with hummingbirdstones on this, time to experiment.
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Post by hummingbirdstones on May 29, 2023 11:24:26 GMT -5
Except the Minisonic has no motor! I really wouldn't think it will make any difference but what do I know? Maybe it will improve action. I'd be more concerned if it was a Lot O as those seem to be a lot more finicky then the Minisonics. I've put my MT-4 on a cheap plastic table and on concrete and haven't noticed any difference. I'm with hummingbirdstones on this, time to experiment. True that, but the Minisonic plugs in and electricity is making it vibe by whatever mechanism they use to do that.
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Post by parfive on May 29, 2023 12:59:23 GMT -5
The three Lortones probably rotate at different speeds, so you may end up with some harmonic vibration that’s jiggling the idle Mini-Sonic. Unplugging any one or two would change that net vibration but I’ll agree w/no effect when the Mini is powered.
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dionne
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Post by dionne on May 29, 2023 22:50:40 GMT -5
well … at least we have a name for it: “the Harmonic Oscillation Problem.” Thanks to all who weighed in. Parfive: the 2nd video was smack-on. We are all - afterall - involved in the Oscillations.
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