Time
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Post by Time on Jul 19, 2023 20:44:09 GMT -5
What has been your path to your specific interest in rocks? I believe any normal person has an interest in rocks, I remember I have had since my earliest childhood memories. Skipping flat ones across the water, shooting them with a sling shot, and studying the pretty ones on the bottom of a clear water stream. Most of my adult life has been busy with work and life but always included picking up an interesting rock every so often. Tumbling rocks began during Covid lock downs as something my Granddaughter and I shared an interest in. Right now I am tumbling local finds, getting set up to make some cabs, and developing ideas on making some pendants. My rock money is being spent on slabs that I like and can afford mainly because I like the intricate mixture of colors and patterns they reveal. Some are so intricate they remind me of a modern art painting. I don’t know if I will ever cut them up for cabs. So how did you get to where you are in rocks?
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Post by realrockhound on Jul 19, 2023 21:13:03 GMT -5
Grew up in it. Had no choice
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Post by Mel on Jul 19, 2023 21:14:13 GMT -5
Well...... - 1992ish - Whoa, rocks are cool! They're so pretty! - On a trip to Montana as a kid and rooting through those tourist trap bins of polished rocks with velvet bags.
- 1994ish - saw rock tumblers at a flea market - Holy crap, I can never afford to do that! (Oh to pay those prices now!!) Also that guy owned the rock shop here that I had no idea existed at the time. I later met him in 2020. He was a real jerk but everyone who knows I do lapidary asks if I know him.....
- Sometime around here I got a rock tumbler as a gift and was immediately turned off by the noise (I think it's still in the garage of the house my parents sold in 2007!)
- 1995 or so, I found lapidary mentioned in an old crafting book from the 70s. Immediately got turned off by the 3-6 week tumbling time, and remembered the noise of the previous tumbler. Also turned off by the requirement of something called "patience".
- 2010 - Another trip to Montana with my now husband. At a thrift store it was "Oh look, a $10 rock tumbler! I remember having one as a kid, kinda cool I guess. Oh wait, there's *another* one??? Well, I'd be stupid to leave these behind....I'm no idiot, surely I can figure out how to do this. "
- Use those crap tumblers for a couple years with poor results until I ran out of (poor quality) supplies.
- 2019 - Discover said tumblers in my garage that I'd forgotten about. Hmmm, maybe I should try rock tumbling again, not like it's a huge time sink....
- Later in 2019 - Holy crap, no one else is doing this and it's really interesting and kind of fun and not even I can mess this up!!
- Early 2020 - Suspiciously find 3 or 4 more tumblers in my garage. They seemingly reproduce like tribbles.
- Slightly later in 2020 - Buy cheap tile saw & combo unit - I have a hobby! I can turn any rock into a million smaller, poorly shaped rocks! I'm now on a first name basis with a rock shop 7 hours away because there's nothing closer.
- Fall 2020 - Holy crap it's getting expensive to ship rock stuff...Maybe I should've picked up cocaine instead. So then I opened my own shop selling grit & tumbling material.
- Winter 2020 - Bought a good slab saw & a cabbing machine and joined RTH. I think my garage still had a floor at that point but was hard to tell with all the lapidary stuff strewn about.
- Fall 2022 - Buy out a big rock collection from an old timer. This just cements the fact that I do, indeed, have "A Problem" (which is not enough time and money...what did you think I was going to say???)
- Winter 2022 - Close my rock shop after a customer basically stalks me and ignores all my advice about how to get good results. Decide that rocks are for me and not for thee.
- Spring 2023 - Where the hell did all this equipment come from?!?! Someone oughta clean up this disaster. When I find the person who made this mess, I'm gon....oh. Nevermind.
Rocks & lapidary definitely took over my life for awhile which was awesome and gave me something to do, even if it was just mostly buying rocks, tumbling, cutting slabs and messing around. Now I have a decent shop setup and a bunch of equipment (tumblers, saws, cab machine, 2 flat laps) but very little time since I have young kids and a full time job. Still tumbling and polishing on my flat laps as I can. I'm hoping once fall kicks in I can get back to it a few times a week.
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Time
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Post by Time on Jul 19, 2023 21:51:00 GMT -5
Great story, life is a journey. It is great to know other people kind of follow a meandering line with their interest. People that can pick one and go after it like an arrow to it’s target are a mystery.
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Post by Mel on Jul 19, 2023 21:58:14 GMT -5
Honestly you want to know what it was? I know someone who's whole life is watching TV, playing video games and going to movies. That's it. Can't really do anything handy, doesn't have any creative hobbies. Pardon my language, but boring as shit. TV is not a hobby. I immediately wanted to become more interesting and learn new things (even though I already had about 4 or 5 hobbies) that didn't involve screens after meeting him, so that's exactly what I did.
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Post by jasoninsd on Jul 20, 2023 0:03:29 GMT -5
In 2020, I ordered 26 tons of river rock to use as landscape rock around our house. I found a STUNNING Fairburn Agate in the pile...and that's what started my entire interest in rocks...hounding...tumbling...slabbing...cabbing...wire-wrapping. Basically further and further down the rabbit hole! LOL
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khara
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Post by khara on Jul 20, 2023 4:26:41 GMT -5
As a kid I loved rocks. Had a modest collection. Would pick the agates out of playground pea gravel, collect tumbled stones off the beach, and occasionally drag my mom to a rock and gem show where I could buy some new treasure.
For some years I also had a subscription to Rock & Gem magazine. I remember one issue there was a kid my age, 12 or so, showing gems at a rock show. I believe he held a piece of Tourmaline. I couldn’t believe a kid could be so lucky to be in the rock world so young. I was envious, and in love, and not just with the tourmaline.
Fairly local to me, I had always wanted to go dig for thundereggs. It was just a few hours drive, but… parents are busy, and kids interests are fleeting, right? So I never went.
I became a teen and while I still loved rocks they were relegated to the closet. I moved on with life and some of my collection was moved with me, numerous times. The rest of it ended up in my parents yard.
Fast forward to about age 30 and my significant other and I were invited/asked/voluntold to go help pack up his grandmas house so she could move to assisted living. The house was filled with the typical “grandma” stuff… cute little porcelain figurines, doilies, and Christmas decorations galore. And then……… I stepped outside and discovered grandpas “workshop”. Holy guacamole this place was filled with rocks! I looked at my boyfriend and said, we cannot <—- bold that, leave this here. My interest was a surprise to him but he went with it and so we proceeded to pack up as many rocks as we could that we thought looked good. There had been a huuuuge collection of thundereggs but prior to my arrival it had already been promised to some teenage boy. Argh. Thwarted from the thundereggs again!
We brought our haul home and promptly joined a local rock club. There I learned way more than just collecting and displaying specimens and was opened up to the world of actually cutting rocks in order to polish and cab the materials. At that point I began a years long regret for leaving what I now believe was a heck of a lot of probably really nice jaspers and agates piled all around grandpas shop. What we don’t know won’t hurt us? Ya right, whoever said that wasn’t ever a young rockhound.
In the years since, my interests have gone from volunteering at the club and going on field trips to tumbling to metalsmithing to cabbing to wire wrapping to hopefully soon slabbing my own rough. Equipment is slowly acquired and refurbished over the years. Time and money seems to be the biggest hurdle to really gaining skill, mostly time. Interestingly, I had taken a long break from the hobby just due to life’s busyness. I came back to it only last year as we were moving his mom this time into assisted living. It was an extremely stressful and long and drawn out scenario. After several months we realized we weren’t doing well and both needed something, some sort of mental outlet away from the caretaking. Late one night rocks popped into mind. I saw some scrap wood and started building myself a little workbench in the garage. It isn’t a whole workshop like grandpa had but it’s a start.🤓
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Post by iamchris on Jul 20, 2023 7:32:15 GMT -5
Had a Thumler as a kid, did it once with my dad and promptly forgot about it.
30 years later, my fiancée got me interested in hiking and backpacking, and I now see more of the outdoors than I used to.
A couple years ago, we were going for a hike on a beach trail near Carlsbad, CA and I kept finding so many neat and different rocks. I picked up a bunch and remembered my childhood tumbler, and told myself I'd give it another try. Packed my carry-on with a laughable amount of rocks and flew back home.
The past couple years I've been running them sporadically in a cheap Dan & Darci tumbler I got on Amazon after that trip. Let me tell you, it takes forever to get through 20 pounds of rock in a 1 pound tumbler. Finally ran out of trash Amazon grit and was doing research on what the best grit is, and I found you guys.
I now have a new 45C, used 33B, have better bearings on the way for both, and have already modded the Dan & Darci one.
I've told myself no more tumblers unless I find another good deal on Craigslist. (I got the 33B for $45 with replacement belts).
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Post by rockjunquie on Jul 20, 2023 7:53:31 GMT -5
My oft told story:
I was a glassblower (lampworker) creating "cabochons" of art glass. I needed a way to turn them into jewelry. That's when I stumbled onto wire wrapping. I am attracted to the old school border wrapping. All the pictures I saw were of beautiful natural rocks. I fell in love and almost immediately quit glass blowing. So, for years I collected cabochons until I made a chance purchase on eBay from a man local to me. BikerRandy invited me to the local rock club and to RTH. It wasn't long before he invited me to learn how to cab. After a couple lessons, I got my own Genie and the rest is history. I have zero desire to slab. I don't have a place to do it. But, I'll buy slabs all day long. I can't resist a pretty rock. (This was an almost 25 year process.)
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Post by rocknewb101 on Jul 20, 2023 8:11:03 GMT -5
Always had an interest in seeing pretty rocks - would pick up unique finds, stone skipping for sure (although I suck at it!). However, I didn't REALLY get into the hobby until we bought my daughter a Nat Geo tumbler. We'd work with her to fill the barrels and then they'd roll and sit for weeks on end. I finally started taking care of them and learning about the process and kind of took it over. Now I have three rotary tumblers, a lot-o vibe, a slant cabber, trim saw, and just got notice that my mini sonic has shipped!! Woo Hoo!
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Time
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Post by Time on Jul 20, 2023 9:07:08 GMT -5
In 2020, I ordered 26 tons of river rock to use as landscape rock around our house. I found a STUNNING Fairburn Agate in the pile...and that's what started my entire interest in rocks...hounding...tumbling...slabbing...cabbing...wire-wrapping. Basically further and further down the rabbit hole! LOL You know it’s not a bad rabbit hole to be in and generally doesn’t involve any jail time unless we are rock hounding in a highly restricted area.
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Time
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Post by Time on Jul 20, 2023 9:19:41 GMT -5
As a kid I loved rocks. Had a modest collection. Would pick the agates out of playground pea gravel, collect tumbled stones off the beach, and occasionally drag my mom to a rock and gem show where I could buy some new treasure. For some years I also had a subscription to Rock & Gem magazine. I remember one issue there was a kid my age, 12 or so, showing gems at a rock show. I believe he held a piece of Tourmaline. I couldn’t believe a kid could be so lucky to be in the rock world so young. I was envious, and in love, and not just with the tourmaline. Fairly local to me, I had always wanted to go dig for thundereggs. It was just a few hours drive, but… parents are busy, and kids interests are fleeting, right? So I never went. I became a teen and while I still loved rocks they were relegated to the closet. I moved on with life and some of my collection was moved with me, numerous times. The rest of it ended up in my parents yard. Fast forward to about age 30 and my significant other and I were invited/asked/voluntold to go help pack up his grandmas house so she could move to assisted living. The house was filled with the typical “grandma” stuff… cute little porcelain figurines, doilies, and Christmas decorations galore. And then……… I stepped outside and discovered grandpas “workshop”. Holy guacamole this place was filled with rocks! I looked at my boyfriend and said, we cannot <—- bold that, leave this here. My interest was a surprise to him but he went with it and so we proceeded to pack up as many rocks as we could that we thought looked good. There had been a huuuuge collection of thundereggs but prior to my arrival it had already been promised to some teenage boy. Argh. Thwarted from the thundereggs again! We brought our haul home and promptly joined a local rock club. There I learned way more than just collecting and displaying specimens and was opened up to the world of actually cutting rocks in order to polish and cab the materials. At that point I began a years long regret for leaving what I now believe was a heck of a lot of probably really nice jaspers and agates piled all around grandpas shop. What we don’t know won’t hurt us? Ya right, whoever said that wasn’t ever a young rockhound. In the years since, my interests have gone from volunteering at the club and going on field trips to tumbling to metalsmithing to cabbing to wire wrapping to hopefully soon slabbing my own rough. Equipment is slowly acquired and refurbished over the years. Time and money seems to be the biggest hurdle to really gaining skill, mostly time. Interestingly, I had taken a long break from the hobby just due to life’s busyness. I came back to it only last year as we were moving his mom this time into assisted living. It was an extremely stressful and long and drawn out scenario. After several months we realized we weren’t doing well and both needed something, some sort of mental outlet away from the caretaking. Late one night rocks popped into mind. I saw some scrap wood and started building myself a little workbench in the garage. It isn’t a whole workshop like grandpa had but it’s a start.🤓 Great story, I just realized that some of my interest came when a friend’s dad came back from a business trip and had picked up an agate that was just a marvel to me. You could see inside the rock and there was an amazing pattern of colors that looked like a plant.
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Time
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Post by Time on Jul 20, 2023 9:20:57 GMT -5
Grew up in it. Had no choice Lucky 🙂
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Time
starting to spend too much on rocks
Making something positive out of COVID restrictions by learning to create jewelry out of stones.
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Post by Time on Jul 20, 2023 9:29:35 GMT -5
Had a Thumler as a kid, did it once with my dad and promptly forgot about it. 30 years later, my fiancée got me interested in hiking and backpacking, and I now see more of the outdoors than I used to. A couple years ago, we were going for a hike on a beach trail near Carlsbad, CA and I kept finding so many neat and different rocks. I picked up a bunch and remembered my childhood tumbler, and told myself I'd give it another try. Packed my carry-on with a laughable amount of rocks and flew back home. The past couple years I've been running them sporadically in a cheap Dan & Darci tumbler I got on Amazon after that trip. Let me tell you, it takes forever to get through 20 pounds of rock in a 1 pound tumbler. Finally ran out of trash Amazon grit and was doing research on what the best grit is, and I found you guys. I now have a new 45C, used 33B, have better bearings on the way for both, and have already modded the Dan & Darci one. I've told myself no more tumblers unless I find another good deal on Craigslist. (I got the 33B for $45 with replacement belts). Good shopping on the 33B, I check Craigslist daily to see what may show up but I am really trying on this hobby to focus on the rocks and not equipment. I like photography and found it too easy to focus on camera gear and not getting out to take pictures.
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Time
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Post by Time on Jul 20, 2023 9:32:51 GMT -5
My oft told story:
I was a glassblower (lampworker) creating "cabochons" of art glass. I needed a way to turn them into jewelry. That's when I stumbled onto wire wrapping. I am attracted to the old school border wrapping. All the pictures I saw were of beautiful natural rocks. I fell in love and almost immediately quit glass blowing. So, for years I collected cabochons until I made a chance purchase on eBay from a man local to me. BikerRandy invited me to the local rock club and to RTH. It wasn't long before he invited me to learn how to cab. After a couple lessons, I got my own Genie and the rest is history. I have zero desire to slab. I don't have a place to do it. But, I'll buy slabs all day long. I can't resist a pretty rock. (This was an almost 25 year process.) An artist story …. I really like your work.
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Time
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Post by Time on Jul 20, 2023 9:34:49 GMT -5
Always had an interest in seeing pretty rocks - would pick up unique finds, stone skipping for sure (although I suck at it!). However, I didn't REALLY get into the hobby until we bought my daughter a Nat Geo tumbler. We'd work with her to fill the barrels and then they'd roll and sit for weeks on end. I finally started taking care of them and learning about the process and kind of took it over. Now I have three rotary tumblers, a lot-o vibe, a slant cabber, trim saw, and just got notice that my mini sonic has shipped!! Woo Hoo! Haha well I think this rabbit hole has plenty of room.
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Post by rocknewb101 on Jul 20, 2023 9:35:57 GMT -5
Always had an interest in seeing pretty rocks - would pick up unique finds, stone skipping for sure (although I suck at it!). However, I didn't REALLY get into the hobby until we bought my daughter a Nat Geo tumbler. We'd work with her to fill the barrels and then they'd roll and sit for weeks on end. I finally started taking care of them and learning about the process and kind of took it over. Now I have three rotary tumblers, a lot-o vibe, a slant cabber, trim saw, and just got notice that my mini sonic has shipped!! Woo Hoo! Haha well I think this rabbit hole has plenty of room. haha!! Yes - rabbit hole for sure. My pocketbook is screaming at me to climb my way out! ha!
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skrapyard
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Post by skrapyard on Jul 20, 2023 9:58:45 GMT -5
Ive always been one to pick up a neat looking rock. As a kid I had a small collection of the cool rocks I found, which wasnt many since I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago. As I grew older those rocks were just kept in a box in storage that I really never thought much about.
What really got my addiction going was a business trip to South Carolina around 2018. My girlfriend decided to take some time off work and drive out to meet me there, and brought our camping gear. So I took some time off after I finished my job there and we went camping in the mountains in North Carolina near site that said you could dig for sapphires. We came home with a small bag of pinkish & purple sapphires and thought it would be cool to find some more. So the next year we took a road trip to Montana and Idaho. During that trip we found plenty of sapphires, garnets and opals.
Now that we had a supply of stones we needed to do something with them. There was a gem show at the local county fairgrounds so we went there and asked around to see who knew anything about cutting and polishing gems. We met a man who offered to teach us how to facet. So we went for it and started bringing our stones with to class and cutting/polishing them.
About a year into taking classes our teacher came upon a used Ultratec V2 along with laps and accessories and offered it to us at a price that couldnt be turned down. So now we had a machine of our own! Shortly after getting the Ultratec and going to almost every single local gem/mineral show I realized I really was intrigued by all of the different types of stone that cabochons are made from. So I decided I needed to make my own. I bought a slab saw, cab machine, and a trim saw.
Somewhere in all of this we discovered that we could dig for geodes fairly close to where we live. So we started bringing home buckets full of them. Then we took a road trip to Arkansas and brought home a bunch of buckets full of quartz. Then a trip to Missouri and brought home almost an entire pickup truck bed full of quartz formations and lace agate. Add to that a trip to Texas where we discovered our own little hidden vein of agate in a road cut that we filled buckets of material from. Then we made the "mistake" of going to the Tucson gem show and bringing home a ton more. I had to put up a steel rack in my garage with bins to organize all of the treasures we were accumulating.
Now that my spare bedroom and half of my garage was filled with lapidary equipment and stones, we needed to do more than just collect and hoard them all to ourselves. So we started a little business last year and have been going to local craft shows and flea markets to sell cabs, pendants, the occasional faceted stone, some random mineral specimens, and I crack geodes open for people all day.
Somewhere in all of this my model B tumbler which was used for wet cleaning brass for reloading ammo got repurposed to start tumbling the leftover bits from slabbing and trimming. And next up is going to be the purchase of a reciprolap so I can do some flat polishing.
Its funny how fast a small bag of sapphires has snowballed into all of this!
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Post by Mel on Jul 20, 2023 11:21:05 GMT -5
My oft told story:
I was a glassblower (lampworker) creating "cabochons" of art glass. I needed a way to turn them into jewelry. That's when I stumbled onto wire wrapping. I am attracted to the old school border wrapping. All the pictures I saw were of beautiful natural rocks. I fell in love and almost immediately quit glass blowing. So, for years I collected cabochons until I made a chance purchase on eBay from a man local to me. BikerRandy invited me to the local rock club and to RTH. It wasn't long before he invited me to learn how to cab. After a couple lessons, I got my own Genie and the rest is history. I have zero desire to slab. I don't have a place to do it. But, I'll buy slabs all day long. I can't resist a pretty rock. (This was an almost 25 year process.) jasoninsd - Thank you. I've missed the boards. Was a real bummer when I finally got time to check in and read about Vince, then Ed and Trigger. It's nice to read about the memorial being planned for Ed though. Hopefully I can figure out a way to make it to Tuscon. I had to tell Joel your hot/cold water story and Eds extension cord debacle after he wondered why I was crying (from laughing so hard) reading the forums. He has a lot of "IRL" friends he's made from his gaming days so he gets it. rockjunquie I vaguely remember you mentioning your glassblowing somewhere else on the forums but now I want to see!! I've been trying to find cullet/glass cast offs around here for tumbling but our local glassblower seems to be insulted by my inquiries (or they're just too busy making beautiful glass work). Last year when I bought an old collection I got some Fordite and a few pieces of glass slag but now I'm almost too afraid to tumble the slag in case I wreck it! Such is life eh? I've polished a lot of nice rocks and cut a lot of pretty material but joining RTH has really been the highlight of my rock journey. We have such an excellent community here.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 20, 2023 11:32:02 GMT -5
I doubt I can timeline it as well as Mel but I'll give it a try. 1965'ish my parents joined the Grange, I think to meet people in our new hometown and get a deal on home insurance. The Southern WA gem and mineral club had their meetings in the grange hall (they still do) and dad made friends with Lester Black, local rancher who convinced dad to grow our own beef and who mesmerized me with his belt buckles and bolos, and his wifes jewelry. Bookmark this... The rural road I grew up on was a great place to find "red agates" in the areas that were graveled, sure would like to know where the gravel quarry was, as I recall some super red Cowlitz County carnelians. 1974/75 In my HS Junior year I took the beginning and advanced jewelry shop classes at Kelso High School. The teacher was mostly focused on metalsmithing, but they also had a row of 3 belt sanders for lapidary. My first total failure at cutting an obsidian cabochon happened that year, definitely not my last. I made a love knot ring and a bunch of class project exercises that I hardly remember, it was the 70's after all. And then life went on, LARGE gap. 2007? My hobby was cars, mostly vintage Volvo's with an occasional truck or Mopar. It had grown exponentially and I bought a gutted travel trailer to turn into a car hauler. As Elizabeth and kids helped remove body and AC wiring Elizabeth grabbed all the copper wire and started fabricating handmade recycled copper jewelry from it. She has been an artist in multiple mediums her entire life, and she was ready to start back into it. She was making beaded necklaces a few months later from beads I found for her on ebay, and focal beads to match her projects weren't easy to find, so I had the bright idea that we should get tools to make our own. At that point I "discovered", about 15 years married, that she had grown up in a home purchased from a lapidary, with much of it left behind, and that she had also taken classes in college. And it grew... A lot... We joined a club, immediately I was drafted to restart their lapidary shop, and I became teacher assistant and fix stuff guy. Volvo parts diminished and replaced with lapidary tools and rocks. 2009 First organized field trip, now we're hooked. 2010 Bought house in Vancouver, brought in 21' dry van to try to contain all the tools, built shop when it wouldn't. 2011'ish Started selling at Holiday Bazaars and winery art shows, and bought, restored and sold equipment while upgrading ours. This continued as our side hustle for awhile. 2015'ish At a bazaar someone approached us to buy the remains of an estate of her grandfather, a month or so later we went out, agreed on a price, and bought it. On the way out we spoke for a bit and discovered grandpa had been in the Southern WA club. His name? Lester Black. Full circle #1. 2018'ish we began to plan retirement and started getting rid of stuff. The dry van box, which no longer had an axle, was on the list. The buyer noticed the rocks and got a shop tour, turns out he was the person in charge of the shops at Kelso HS, and the jewelry shop was discontinued and in storage, AND the school wanted to clear the storage. Yeah, I got it, full circle #2 2020 We got rid of TONS to move to AZ and still had to buy our own large moving van plus a toy hauler trailer to move down, then another very memorable trip with Ed Mohs to get a few more tons from storage. That's another story I'm putting together for blood family and rock family. Today... We just returned from our vending/family visit trip to the NW. What a long, strange trip...
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