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Post by Cher on Dec 11, 2004 21:38:14 GMT -5
Ok, I got some epoxy, thought it was the right stuff but this sets in 8 hours so apparently it's not the best. Anyway, I also got some bell caps to try and make some pendants. How on earth do you glue them dang things on without getting too much glue in there? I did one, I'm very unhappy with it, way tooo much glue, kind of covered half the stone. I tried putting it on the stone where I knew the cap was going but it just kind of spread all over. Should I be putting it on the cap instead and then putting the bell cap on? I think wire-wrapping is easier!
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MichiganRocks
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Post by MichiganRocks on Dec 12, 2004 7:09:59 GMT -5
Hey Cher, if you let the epoxy set for a while it should thicken a little and become sticky. It should tell you on the box how long to become tacky. If you're using 330 epoxy, I think that time is one hour. Wait till then and it won't run all over. Excess can be cleaned before it sets with alcohol.
Ron
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Post by phoenix1647 on Dec 12, 2004 8:05:33 GMT -5
Good Morning Cher..
What I use and like is something called E6000. It is good stuff. Works well with the bell caps and pins too. Once it has dried, or is almost dry..any excess can be removed. Check with any hobby store or Firemountian.
Pho
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Post by krazydiamond on Dec 12, 2004 9:30:05 GMT -5
i use the 330 two part epoxy, work time is about 10 minutes and it sets in 2 hours. i use a lot of toothpicks mixing and applying the glue. a little goes a long way.
i also use styrofoam and toothpicks to hold the stones in place while the glue dries.
KD
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Post by Cher on Dec 12, 2004 10:34:52 GMT -5
You mean like rubbing alcohol or beer? ;D ;D (sorry, couldn't resist)
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MichiganRocks
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Post by MichiganRocks on Dec 12, 2004 11:54:26 GMT -5
Hey Cher, if you drink enough beer, the whole process gets easier. Ron ps. Makes my rocks look shiner too! ;D
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Post by Cher on Dec 12, 2004 13:28:17 GMT -5
Ok, guess I'll have a few beers, go and try another one and clean up my mess with rubbing alcohol. Wonder if polish remover would work too, not that I have any. Probably don't have any rubbing alcohol either, I think that got dumped in the windshield washer container. Dang, guess I'll just have to settle for beer!
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Post by cookie3rocks on Dec 12, 2004 19:38:51 GMT -5
Cher, I use the same stuff KD does, Epoxy 330. I'm trying to find the pick I had of my table to show you the set up. I actually press the stones into the styrofoam, Shapet the findings to fit, mix the epoxy and, like KD, use a toothpick to put it on the bell cap itself. And, definately, less is more. I let it set 24 hours to be on the safe side, and if it's the least bit tacky, the mix wasn't good and I use fingernail polish remover to take it off. Good Luck!
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Post by Cher on Dec 12, 2004 21:09:10 GMT -5
Thanks you guys, I'll give it another try, putting it in the bell cap rather than on the stone. Do either of you scuff up the stone at all? I took my dremel and scored the stone a bit hoping to give the glue a better grip.
Cher
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Post by MichiganRocks on Dec 12, 2004 21:21:18 GMT -5
Hey Cher, if you let the epoxy set for a while it should thicken a little and become sticky. It should tell you on the box how long to become tacky. If you're using 330 epoxy, I think that time is one hour. Wait till then and it won't run all over. Excess can be cleaned before it sets with alcohol. Ron Sorry Cher, I got that wrong. It's the 220 that I use that takes an hour to thicken and 8 hours to harden. Let it thicken first and then use it sparingly. Ron
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Post by Cher on Dec 12, 2004 21:41:58 GMT -5
I can't remember the name of mine, I got it at walmart but it must be quite similar to yours. It's a two-part mix that sets in 8 hours.
Cher
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Post by cookie3rocks on Dec 12, 2004 21:52:12 GMT -5
I don't score the stone at all, it isn't necessary. Once you form the bell cap to the stone, just putting the epoxy on the bell cap and setting it evenly, and the stone is steady, wont move, you shoud be good to go. Let it set a full 24 hours, I would say, just to be sure. Are you drilling holes or just apllying the bell cap to the stone?
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Post by Cher on Dec 12, 2004 23:32:14 GMT -5
These are just the bell caps, here's a picture showing the awful truth of the gastly job I did gluing this. blech! I ruined a pretty darn nice stone with this ... Thanks for all your help, I appreciate it. Cher
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Post by llanago on Dec 13, 2004 8:02:04 GMT -5
Cher, since the epoxy ran down the stone like that you probably didn't mix it right. It should have been a bit thicker and not run, I think anyway! There are a couple of things you can do to try and it cleaned up. If it wasn't mixed right, it might be easier to remove. If you can get the bell cap off, you can either remove the glue from the stone with the dremel or toss is back in the tumbler. Get some acetone and pour enough in a glass container to cover the stone and bell cap and just let it soak - check it every once and a while to see if the bell cap comes off. That might loosen the bell cap enough for you to get if off, then you can rework the stone. Don't put the acetone in a plastic container. I have a couple of small mason jars I use for acetone. You may not to able to get it off, but it's worth a try if you really like the stone. I have a number of different kinds of glue, but my favorite by far is the E6000. It's thick and doesn't run, gives you a few minutes to get what you are trying to do set properly, and dries pretty fast. Takes it about 8 hrs. or so to cure completely, but when it cures whatever you used it on is gonna stay put. I use acetone to remove any excess BEFORE it gets dry. Once it dries, you're outta luck! llana
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Post by Cher on Dec 13, 2004 9:56:50 GMT -5
This was pretty thick, that's why it stayed like it did and didn't spread out more like I thought it would do. I think the problem is I was under the idea that "more is better" .... NOT! I have to venture out today so I can stop at the hardware store and see if they have acetone. Can't hurt to see if I can get it off, I'd love to be able to toss this piece back in the barrels. Thanks for the info!!
Cher
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Post by HarryB41 on Dec 13, 2004 14:09:51 GMT -5
I have asked a simular question in another thread and was told E6000 works great. I was wondering if contact cement would work for bells? It would seem that it would be so much easier and would set as soon as they touch.
Harry
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Post by cookie3rocks on Dec 15, 2004 19:24:04 GMT -5
Hi Harry, What I have found, not just from jewlery making but other projects as well, the faster the glue sets, the more brittle it in. Doesn't seem to stand up long term, breaks off easily. And if you get it wet, it turns loose )becomes even more brittle, and loses adheasion as well). Hope that helps.
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