unclestu
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Post by unclestu on Feb 3, 2012 15:51:14 GMT -5
I am thinking of getting a slab saw. Right now I do all of my triming and cabing in the basement. I would love to be able to set up a slab saw down there as well however the oil spray makes me think twice. My question is where do you all run your slab saws indoors or outdoors? Do you have to use oil in a slab saw or can you use water? Stu
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Post by jakesrocks on Feb 3, 2012 16:02:32 GMT -5
I run mine on the slab in front of my garage, weather permitting. I wouldn't suggest running anything larger than a 10" or 12" saw with water. The larger the blade, the more expensive to replace, and big blades don't last on water.
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Post by Hard Rock Cafe on Feb 3, 2012 16:15:35 GMT -5
I use mine in the garage at the moment, but the oil mist is starting to coat things near the saw. I would not want to use it indoors. I'm not concerned about the health effects as much as I am the mess.
Chuck
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Post by FrogAndBearCreations on Feb 3, 2012 16:31:36 GMT -5
I have a raytech 10" with a removable sump liner and run water with borax most of the time for general cutting and oil for the hard stuff. I'm set up in my garage and have an old carpet on the floor to keep things from getting slippery when I'm cutting and it also saves stones which get flung during polishing or dropped.
basement should be ok as long as you have some way to keep things clean when your doing a lot of cutting. We cover important stuff like the motorcycle when I am cutting.
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Post by Sabre52 on Feb 3, 2012 16:47:31 GMT -5
I run mine in the shop but with the big roll up door open for air circulation. I hang a towel over my saw cover to soak up some of the mist and use that Bardahl stuff so mist is really not too bad but I still don't like using an oil cooled saw in a closed space. Got to admit though, that I used one of those really messy Lortone drop saws ( sprayed oil mist everywhere) in a closed garage for years with no observed ill effects ( at least not yet) *L*....Mel
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Post by deb193redux on Feb 3, 2012 16:50:42 GMT -5
If you can find an old LS10, the design has almost no mist. The LS12, which a fuly enclosed lid (no openings), onlu has a puff of mist when I 1st open it. IMO, the ones with mist problems are slab/trim models have plastic hoods with holes for parts of the auto-feed and/or hands. When I ren may old Beacon/Starr 10" autofeed, the mist got out the holes in the hood and put a sheen on the surrounding table and floor. Currently I have an LS10 and an LS12 sitting side by side in the garage, and running many hours a week. The only oil on the floor is when I spill it during cleaning. No mist on surrounding surfaces. Just a little shel for 1-3 inches on the table at the base of each saw. Just not a problem.
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unclestu
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Post by unclestu on Feb 3, 2012 17:34:39 GMT -5
If you can find an old LS10, the design has almost no mist. The LS12, which a fuly enclosed lid (no openings), onlu has a puff of mist when I 1st open it. IMO, the ones with mist problems are slab/trim models have plastic hoods with holes for parts of the auto-feed and/or hands. When I ren may old Beacon/Starr 10" autofeed, the mist got out the holes in the hood and put a sheen on the surrounding table and floor. Currently I have an LS10 and an LS12 sitting side by side in the garage, and running many hours a week. The only oil on the floor is when I spill it during cleaning. No mist on surrounding surfaces. Just a little shel for 1-3 inches on the table at the base of each saw. Just not a problem.Thanks guys and gal for the feedback. I wasn't concerned with the health risks as much as the oily mess if used indoors. From what I see the saw that you are using Daniel would be just right for me as I would rather keep all of my equipment in the basement. What manufacturer makes the LS10 or LS12? Stu
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Post by Hard Rock Cafe on Feb 3, 2012 18:04:54 GMT -5
Those are Lortone saws.
My 18" Great Western creates a lot of mist, even with Bardahl No Smoke. No openings in the hood, but I have to let it sit for a minute before I open the hood if I don't want mist escaping into the garage.
Chuck
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Post by Rockoonz on Feb 3, 2012 18:54:48 GMT -5
LS10 and LS12 are made by Lortone. www.lortone.com/slab_saws.htmlThe LS10 has been discontinued. The Lortone saws are good little saws as long as you use a good quality blade, but you have to lift the HEAVY top off of the tray to clean. Any saw that uses an enclosed cabinet will keep the mist inside and if you wait a minute or so before opening the lid the mist will be pretty much gone. I use a Highland Park 14 inch saw, a 18 inch ROC hydraulic feed saw and a 24 inch FranTom in my attached garage with no oil mess except what I get on the floor cleaning them. As Mel said a little Bardahl No Smoke in the oil will cut way down on the mist. Lee
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Post by cabjunky on Feb 3, 2012 20:07:24 GMT -5
I run a 10", 18", and 24" all highland park saws without any problems with the mist as long as you do what Lee says with waiting a minute, and using the Bardahl No Smoke I've never had a problem. I do have oil drip pans under all of my saws to catch the drips that every saw has, wipe them up with a rag. Robert
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Post by deb193redux on Feb 3, 2012 21:22:27 GMT -5
LS10's are hard to find, but the motor above arbor design works really well. My LS12 is still sold, and last year therockshed.com had the best price by several hundred. One used on ebay now. If in good condition it could sell for $450.
The HP14, and others with a snug box will keep things form getting an oil coating.
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Post by bobby1 on Feb 3, 2012 22:25:14 GMT -5
I run my LS12, LS14 and HP 18 in my shop without any mist floating about. Bob
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Post by LarryS on Feb 3, 2012 22:40:37 GMT -5
I run my 10" Covington out on my patio next to my dog's yard. No oil for me. I've been using water & Lube Cool for 1 year now with a 303 blade. Some say you can't. Some say you can. But been having issues with Lube Cool foaming and my dog is having allergic reactions to it. I sealed up all the saw lid openings with Home Depot Lexan panels but a tiny bit of mist escapes. I just stay up wind.
Currently I'm switching over to RV-marine antifreeze which is not to be confused with automotive radiator antifreeze. This is safe stuff. Spent this afternoon at Covington and picked up a lot of tips. I'll post later after I finish all the modifications to the saw.
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Post by jakesrocks on Feb 3, 2012 22:49:45 GMT -5
Hey Larry, Jake says " you take care of my cousin Goober. Don't you go making him sick with that stuff".
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Post by LarryS on Feb 3, 2012 22:57:59 GMT -5
Yeah Don, Goober comes first. He's the center of our lives. I stopped slabbing and after spending $150 at the vet, he's coming around just fine. Doing saw and dog run modifications and should be back in operation tomorrow. Our biggest problem is giving Goober his medication twice per day. He doesn't like that!
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unclestu
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Post by unclestu on Feb 3, 2012 23:22:50 GMT -5
Thanks for all of the good advice. I am happy to see that I can run a saw indoors. By the way what is bardohl ?
Larry I hope goober is feeling better. I to just got back from the vet. One of my Pugs who only has one eye appeared to be having trouble seeing. The vet says it could be something called SARD (Sudden acquired retina degeneration). Out of no were she seems to have lost her vision. Going to a specialist tomorrow, but it doesn't look good. I guess it is now in gods hands. Stu
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Post by jakesrocks on Feb 3, 2012 23:42:04 GMT -5
Yeah Don, Goober comes first. He's the center of our lives. I stopped slabbing and after spending $150 at the vet, he's coming around just fine. Doing saw and dog run modifications and should be back in operation tomorrow. Our biggest problem is giving Goober his medication twice per day. He doesn't like that! Medicine in peanut butter, soft cheese or tuna always works with Jake. Anything to disguise the medicine taste. When I'm slabbing, Jake goes on a long tether about 50 ft away from the saw. He doesn't like the sound of the saw, and when he's off the tether he keeps a safe distance anyway. Hey Stu, Bardahl is an automotive product. Any auto parts store should have it.
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Post by LarryS on Feb 4, 2012 1:31:48 GMT -5
Don, pills go inside turkey hot dogs. That's the easy part. It's applying antibiotic cream inside his ears. NOBODY TOUCHES HIS EARS! Vet showed us how when he had a muzzle on. Huh! It would be easier to work with a rabid badger in heat! I finally have my bleeding under control. And 13 more days of this?!?! Goober isn't afraid of the saw. He's pestering me and wants to play because I'm inside his domain. So if the saw is misting, he's getting a good dose of the Lube Cool. Plus he licks the Lube Cool on my legs and arms. Not good.
Stu, our prayers go to your little pug. Yep, these guys are a part of the family. My brother use to breed pugs. My wife had a few. Great dogs.
Mel had a great idea of draping a towel over the misting leaks. Have to try that. The current problems I've been having with my saw is I couldn't walk away from it and had to be very close by to hit the off switch. Hopefully that will be changing soon.
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Post by rocpup on Feb 4, 2012 10:07:04 GMT -5
I have two saws i use in the summer and two saws I use in the winter. All of them are set up outdoors. When I open the lid on any of them i hold my breath for a few momentes for the mist to disapate a little. I do have a 10" trim saw near my grinder that I use water on. If I am going to do a lot of preforming I have a portable tile saw I take out side. I do wonder what health risks I have endured over the years. Don
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Post by cabjunky on Feb 5, 2012 10:57:10 GMT -5
Bardahl No Smoke is sold in any automotive supply store, as an oil additive for car engines that burn oil. Lortone sells the same stuff, but at twice the cost with their label on it. They recommend one bottle to treat 5 gallons of mineral oil. Hope that helps. Robert
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