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Post by grayfingers on Jul 30, 2013 13:40:24 GMT -5
I watch a lot of videos from around the world about the ongoing wars. Sometimes I run across one that reminds me once again that in every land lives children who deserve a better life than the one they presently cheerfully endure. This made me feel good and bad all at the same time. www.liveleak.com/view?i=04b_1375114895
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Post by garock on Jul 30, 2013 14:54:45 GMT -5
Thank you for Sharing !
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Post by robsrockshop on Jul 30, 2013 20:21:32 GMT -5
First grade? Start late or just a bit smarter when you have to survive on your own?
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Post by helens on Jul 31, 2013 2:50:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the video, she's adorable... and wow... so smart so young! No wonder no nation has managed to subdue the Afghani.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 13:45:40 GMT -5
This is the end result of forcing children to learn sufficiency. She has no choice but to do what she is doing. Too me she is far freer than American children.
How many US parents would send their 6 year old out to cut leeks, where a stranger might interview her?
How many American children would happily answer the questions without fear?
How many US parents would allow their child free reign with a knife?
That video makes me very happy. Afghan children seem to have a better childhood than their US counterparts.
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Post by grayfingers on Jul 31, 2013 15:06:05 GMT -5
Scott, great observations! That is the happy part for me as well. I had a jackknife when I was in first grade, and grew up tending gardens. I rode my bike anywhere I wanted, and as long as I was home in time for dinner, no one even cared where I had been. I can relate with this little one in many ways. She has the freedoms that once were a fact of life here. Now we see such as unthinkable, yet there she is, and in a land most would agree to be much more dangerous than here.
She must be safe enough, but one can't help but feel sad to know that the Taliban are waging a violent campaign against female education in Raoshan's country as well as other Arabic countries in the region. (Afghan girls were banned from receiving an education and women were not allowed to work or vote under the five-year rule of the hardline Islamist Taliban.) They have bombed girl's schools in Pakistan, and have forced more than 100 mixed or girls' schools in Afghanistan to close since the U.S. pullout. Raoshan will likely have some dangerous obstacles to overcome if she is to reach her potential.
Here is a partial list of the rules the Taliban impose. This is why I was always one to lean towards helping out oppressed peoples, but we seem to have lost our religion, as it were. Seems Liberty's torch has lost it's shine.
Taliban restrictions and mistreatment of women include the:
1- Complete ban on women's work outside the home, which also applies to female teachers, engineers and most professionals. Only a few female doctors and nurses are allowed to work in some hospitals in Kabul.
2- Complete ban on women's activity outside the home unless accompanied by a mahram (close male relative such as a father, brother or husband).
3- Ban on women dealing with male shopkeepers.
4- Ban on women being treated by male doctors.
5- Ban on women studying at schools, universities or any other educational institution. (Taliban have converted girls' schools into religious seminaries.)
6- Requirement that women wear a long veil (Burqa), which covers them from head to toe.
7- Whipping, beating and verbal abuse of women not clothed in accordance with Taliban rules, or of women unaccompanied by a mahram (an unmarriageable male kin).
8- Whipping of women in public for having non-covered ankles.
9- Public stoning of women accused of having sex outside marriage. (A number of lovers are stoned to death under this rule).
10- Ban on the use of cosmetics. (Many women with painted nails have had fingers cut off).
11- Ban on women talking or shaking hands with non-mahram males.
12- Ban on women laughing loudly. (No stranger should hear a woman's voice).
13- Ban on women wearing high heel shoes, which would produce sound while walking. (A man must not hear a woman's footsteps.)
14- Ban on women riding in a taxi without a mahram.
15- Ban on women's presence in radio, television or public gatherings of any kind.
16- Ban on women playing sports or entering a sport center or club.
17- Ban on women riding bicycles or motorcycles, even with their mahrams.
18- Ban on women's wearing brightly colored clothes. In Taliban terms, these are "sexually attracting colors."
19- Ban on women gathering for festive occasions such as the Eids, or for any recreational purpose.
20- Ban on women washing clothes next to rivers or in a public place.
21- Modification of all place names including the word "women." For example, "women's garden" has been renamed "spring garden".
22- Ban on women appearing on the balconies of their apartments or houses.
23- Compulsory painting of all windows, so women can not be seen from outside their homes.
24- Ban on male tailors taking women's measurements or sewing women's clothes.
25- Ban on female public baths.
26- Ban on males and females traveling on the same bus. Public buses have now been designated "males only" (or "females only").
27- Ban on flared (wide) pant-legs, even under a burqa.
28- Ban on the photographing or filming of women.
29- Ban on women's pictures printed in newspapers and books, or hung on the walls of houses and shops.
Apart from the above restrictions on women, the Taliban has:
- Banned listening to music, not only for women but men as well.
- Banned the watching of movies, television and videos, for everyone.
- Banned celebrating the traditional new year (Nowroz) on March 21. The Taliban has proclaimed the holiday un-Islamic.
- Disavowed Labor Day (May 1st), because it is deemed a "communist" holiday.
- Ordered that all people with non-Islamic names change them to Islamic ones.
- Forced haircuts upon Afghan youth.
- Ordered that men wear Islamic clothes and a cap.
- Ordered that men not shave or trim their beards, which should grow long enough to protrude from a fist clasped at the point of the chin.
- Ordered that all people attend prayers in mosques five times daily.
- Banned the keeping of pigeons and playing with the birds, describing it as un-Islamic. The violators will be imprisoned and the birds shall be killed. The kite flying has also been stopped.
- Ordered all onlookers, while encouraging the sportsmen, to chant Allah-o-Akbar (God is great) and refrain from clapping.
- Ban on certain games including kite flying which is "un-Islamic" according to Taliban.
- Anyone who carries objectionable literature will be executed.
- Anyone who converts from Islam to any other religion will be executed.
- All boy students must wear turbans. They say "No turban, no education".
- Non-Muslim minorities must distinct badge or stitch a yellow cloth onto their dress to be differentiated from the majority Muslim population. Just like what did Nazis with Jews.
- Banned the use of the internet by both ordinary Afghans and foreigners.
And so on...
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Post by helens on Jul 31, 2013 17:45:01 GMT -5
And yet there she is, this 6 year old girl living under the Taliban, happy as can be. Wonder if she would envy or pity American kids?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 17:52:26 GMT -5
And yet there she is, this 6 year old girl living under the Taliban, happy as can be. There we go. Helen's politics in one sentence. Taliban as the perfect government. grayfingers - I was choosing to ignore all the other stuff for the sake of the child. But, sadly, of course you are right.
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Post by grayfingers on Jul 31, 2013 17:53:13 GMT -5
Uh, Helen, the Taliban is who we freed the afghans from. Now we are leaving without proper "closure", the Taliban is gradually taking over again. She will not see another school room if her area falls under their control again.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 31, 2013 20:21:09 GMT -5
Some freinds are in Afghanistan with a NGO working to build and start girls schools. When returning from a meeting at a new school two co-workers were ambushed by Taliban who killed the Afghani school headmaster who was riding with them. The two escaped, one was injured.
Lee
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Post by chassroc on Aug 1, 2013 8:21:51 GMT -5
And yet there she is, this 6 year old girl living under the Taliban, happy as can be. There we go. Helen's politics in one sentence. Taliban as the perfect government. grayfingers - I was choosing to ignore all the other stuff for the sake of the child. But, sadly, of course you are right. Scott..Helen's comments were quite inocuous..She certainly did not say, nor infer that the Taliban is the Perfect Government. You, yourself said about the girl ,"Too me she is far freer than American children. Which statement infers anything about the Taliban being a perfect government? Seems like neither to me. Bill...no need to lecture us about who did what in Afghanistan,
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Post by helens on Aug 1, 2013 8:59:37 GMT -5
And yet there she is, this 6 year old girl living under the Taliban, happy as can be. There we go. Helen's politics in one sentence. Taliban as the perfect government. grayfingers - I was choosing to ignore all the other stuff for the sake of the child. But, sadly, of course you are right. Taliban is the perfect gov't because I said a 6 year old was happy living under it. That's a perfect leap of logic. Very Republican. Maybe we're closer to Idiocracy than I had previously thought. I can appreciate a single flower blooming after a fire, without thinking a fire is a good thing. But apparently, praising the flower means I like fires. How confusing?
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Post by helens on Aug 1, 2013 9:12:30 GMT -5
Uh, Helen, the Taliban is who we freed the afghans from. Now we are leaving without proper "closure", the Taliban is gradually taking over again. She will not see another school room if her area falls under their control again. What do you propose we do about this? Here are the choices: A. We send more troops, maybe kill her mother and father. That will improve things. B. We withdraw and stop killing American soldiers. The country does what it was doing already (Taliban rule). C. oh wait. There is no C. Did I miss a C?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 10:15:59 GMT -5
helens - how does it feel to have your tactics used towards you? I did reductio ad absurdum. I learned from the best!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 10:19:29 GMT -5
Scott..Helen's comments were quite inocuous..She certainly did not say, nor infer that the Taliban is the Perfect Government. You, yourself said about the girl ,"Too me she is far freer than American children. Which statement infers anything about the Taliban being a perfect government? Seems like neither to me. Hi chassroc, of course you are right. I was using Helen's own absurdum tactic towards her. I wanted to educate her on what it looks like. She didn't get it. Instead inferring some idiocy about idiocracy. Charlie, thanks for the comment. I, for one, appreciate your calm demeanor. While we don't always agree, we are always calm to each other.
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Post by helens on Aug 1, 2013 10:20:42 GMT -5
My tactics? You mean like from the other thread, where you said you didn't like socialized medicine and I asked if you wanted to eliminate the US's socialized medicare?
Why not answer the question with a yes or no? I never have trouble doing that.
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Post by helens on Aug 1, 2013 10:22:44 GMT -5
Scott..Helen's comments were quite inocuous..She certainly did not say, nor infer that the Taliban is the Perfect Government. You, yourself said about the girl ,"Too me she is far freer than American children. Which statement infers anything about the Taliban being a perfect government? Seems like neither to me. Hi chassroc, of course you are right. I was using Helen's own absurdum tactic towards her. I wanted to educate her on what it looks like. She didn't get it. Instead inferring some idiocy about idiocracy. Charlie, thanks for the comment. I, for one, appreciate your calm demeanor. While we don't always agree, we are always calm to each other. Of course I don't get it. Your arguments are usually just like this one. It's not an example of my arguments, it's yet another example of yours. Which then is followed by backtracking and trying to turn it on me. It is fun to watch you do this tho:).
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Post by chassroc on Aug 1, 2013 10:43:34 GMT -5
Scott..Helen's comments were quite inocuous..She certainly did not say, nor infer that the Taliban is the Perfect Government. You, yourself said about the girl ,"Too me she is far freer than American children. Which statement infers anything about the Taliban being a perfect government? Seems like neither to me. Hi chassroc, of course you are right. I was using Helen's own absurdum tactic towards her. I wanted to educate her on what it looks like. She didn't get it. Instead inferring some idiocy about idiocracy. Charlie, thanks for the comment. I, for one, appreciate your calm demeanor. While we don't always agree, we are always calm to each other. Scott I just wish I could make it out there for that trip to Cady Mtns...no need for political mumbo jumbo when you are out hunting rock charlie
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 10:57:18 GMT -5
Scott I just wish I could make it out there for that trip to Cady Mtns...no need for political mumbo jumbo when you are out hunting rock charlie Awesome Charlie. Do it! No politics allowed!
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Post by grayfingers on Aug 1, 2013 13:48:44 GMT -5
Charlie, was not lecturing anyone about who did what in Afghanistan. You seem to be a liberal that understands the threats posed by extremists. I was responding to Helen's comment, "And yet there she is, this 6 year old girl living under the Taliban, happy as can be. It would seem she was not aware of the current situation there so I provided the fact that she is now living under the freedom that we gave her people from our blood and treasure. Not a small thing.
Obviously she had missed the entire point of my OP. The little girl is in the first grade and aspires to be a teacher. The Taliban does not allow girls to do either of those things. If she was living under the Taliban, she would not be the same little girl we see in the video.
As I have stated numerous times, We really can't do doody about it. We are too full of self-loathing to be of any value. Precisely because of this attitude: "A. We send more troops, maybe kill her mother and father. That will improve things."
"We must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living." ~Davy Crockett
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