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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 10:54:48 GMT -5
But it is their damn business. When a problem affects all of us, they are the only hope we have. What a really sad world you live in. The only hope you have is a bunch of corrupt self serving a-holes. Sad indeed. Looks like the highly competitive veterinary industry could teach a thing or three to human health industry. In Growing Pet Insurance Sector, Fido May Get Better Health Care Than Humans. I'll bet in Canada a simple dog surgery doesn't cost $36,000 nor does it take 12-24 months. I'd love to see Walmart's statistics and compare it to the Canadian government's human health numbers. Pet insurance growing organically. I'll take them at their word and use a slightly different word. Voluntarily. Such a good product! No need for nosey government officials to stick their nose into my prostate exam. When an industry is competitive and provides good service it all works well. Pet insurance, proof positive!
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Post by rockpickerforever on Aug 16, 2013 10:56:44 GMT -5
Good morning, Scott. You're up early!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 11:10:51 GMT -5
When a problem affects all of us, But, it is only NOW after passage and eminent implementation of Obamacare does it effect "all of us". Before Obamacare it did NOT effect all of us. It only effected those that failed to shop their insurance and/or failed to understand what health insurance really should be. Employer style programs came into being because corporations were competing with each other for talent. Better insurance was a selling point for the hire of a hot prospect. Then it became average to have awesome coverage and this caused the plans to change and morph over time. When I shopped seriously ten years ago the cheapest plan also had the lowest maximum out of pocket and the most expensive plan had the highest out of pocket maximum. That is only possible when the consumer is stupid and making bad choices. They saw the candy low per visit fees from day one. Seeing the carrot they bought the entire stick and horse too. Doing so caused them to risk going bankrupt with huge maximum out of pocket expenses. I never thought of insurance as a convenience that made it possible to see a doctor for $20 co-pay. I thought of insurance as backup in case of catastrophe. Just the same as life insurance or car insurance. Why would you buy any other way? Well you did, and a perceived problem was "solved" by government intervention and soon not even your butthole will be private. and and and last one there are thousands. Ohhh... and my catastrophic insurance plan? It's gone. Now it is mandated that health insurance be the exact type of plan that caused the perceived "problems" to begin with. Insurance mandated to be something it should never be. Me too. jamesp too
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 11:27:41 GMT -5
Number one is we don't want politicians taking money from anyone. I've said it before, I'll say it again, 'No politician should be allowed to accept any kind of bribes from anyone, be a meal, a super bowl ticket, a junket, a stock tip, a real estate deal, a flight by a private jet, nothing, nada, zilch'. So, here we agree. Sorta. The difference is this. You still trust them while they do these things. I do not. You know they are corrupt. You know why. Yet you still trust them. Why? Ohh.. I edited out your comment about $60 ice-pack. That is not the result of failed industry. In fact, I already illustrated the source of that problem. Failed regulation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 11:28:37 GMT -5
Charlie I dont mean to pick on you. Please do not take all this personal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 11:29:34 GMT -5
Good morning, Scott. You're up early! 8:15 rise and shine! lol I have a kitchen to measure soon. Need to be up and at 'em.
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Post by jakesrocks on Aug 16, 2013 11:30:10 GMT -5
I'm just waiting to see how all of this is going to affect TRICARE. The health insurance that I and hundreds of thousands of other vets fought for. I fear that we will all be dumped on the trash heap, while Obama, Congress and thousands of other government employees enjoy their Cadillac health care, paid in full by the tax payers.
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Post by sheltie on Aug 16, 2013 12:25:51 GMT -5
I'm just waiting to see how all of this is going to affect TRICARE. The health insurance that I and hundreds of thousands of other vets fought for. I fear that we will all be dumped on the trash heap, while Obama, Congress and thousands of other government employees enjoy their Cadillac health care, paid in full by the tax payers. Nevah hoppen, GI!
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Post by jakesrocks on Aug 16, 2013 12:34:12 GMT -5
I'm just waiting to see how all of this is going to affect TRICARE. The health insurance that I and hundreds of thousands of other vets fought for. I fear that we will all be dumped on the trash heap, while Obama, Congress and thousands of other government employees enjoy their Cadillac health care, paid in full by the tax payers. Nevah hoppen, GI! Probably not. There are far too many armed and trained veterans.
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Post by chassroc on Aug 16, 2013 12:40:18 GMT -5
When a problem affects all of us, But, it is only NOW after passage and eminent implementation of Obamacare does it effect "all of us". Before Obamacare it did NOT effect all of us. It only effected those that failed to shop their insurance and/or failed to understand what health insurance really should be. Not quite Scott...Obamacare is a solution to a problem with HC that affects all. You may be the only person in this country who thinks US HC is perfect. and before you start imagining I think Obamacare is perfect, lets be perfectly clear, I do not think so; it is a flawed plan, but an attempt to help those in need. I always give credit to those who attempt a solution over those who hise their heads in the sand.
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Post by helens on Aug 16, 2013 12:45:24 GMT -5
What I think is amusing is the statement "what a sad world you live in...". We all live on the same world. The only thing sad about it are the people who wail and gnash teeth instead of coming up with a solution to make it a better world.
If you don't like Obamacare, and acknowledge the system is 'broken'...what's your better solution? How about you guys who don't like it quit whining and tell us what works better?
Because right now, the only thing on the table that Republicans have for 'fixing' the problem is to eliminate Obamacare... AND eliminate Medicare entirely for a $8000 fixed voucher system (where private insurance for that age/health bracket would have to be over $20,000). Tricare going up would be the least of your concerns when Medicare itself is gone. Medicare is supposedly a huge part of our deficit, no one can argue that.
What's the better solution? Or is elimination of Obamacare AND Medicare is the solution you guys prefer?
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Post by chassroc on Aug 16, 2013 12:55:07 GMT -5
Number one is we don't want politicians taking money from anyone. I've said it before, I'll say it again, 'No politician should be allowed to accept any kind of bribes from anyone, be a meal, a super bowl ticket, a junket, a stock tip, a real estate deal, a flight by a private jet, nothing, nada, zilch'. So, here we agree. Sorta. The difference is this. You still trust them while they do these things. I do not. You know they are corrupt. You know why. Yet you still trust them. Why? Ohh.. I edited out your comment about $60 ice-pack. That is not the result of failed industry. In fact, I already illustrated the source of that problem. Failed regulation. Like you...I do not trust them, but they represent us, whether we like it or not. They are not all corrupt but they are in a job where they are harshly judged for any negatives. A pol can do twenty things right but we vote them out for the one thing we do not agree with; Their very existence depends on being all things to all people. there is plenty of corruption but there is plenty of altruism too. Most of them seem to get richer while they are in office, no matter how the stock market or the real estate market goes. and its both sides not one or the other. people in this country are surveyed about congress and the body as a whole get this incredibly low rating. Then they are asked about their own representatives and the negative rating goes away. Huh? how can this be? Politics has become like sports in this country...our guys vs your guys...your guy fights dirty, my guy is defending his teammates. When a pol is found taking money or soliciting sex for prostitutes, or accepting favors, the first thing we do is look at their party and do a little see I told you its always them...or maybe we just ignore it as it's an anomaly and their guys do it more than ours It was a $70 ice pack not a sixty dollar pack and I doubt there is any regulations on what HC companies charge for an Ice pack after a PT session. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt there are any rules and regulations for this i dont take it personal and I hope you dont either. Unlike some of the posters who dish it out but cant take any criticism, I have not seen you react that way. You take things out of personal experience. I like that charlie
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 13:14:26 GMT -5
I never said US health care was perfect. I did say it is worse with Obamacare.
I don't see how I was personally affected by the problems before Obamacare.
I do see how I am personally affected negatively AFTER Obamacare.
I don't understand what problem Obamacare solves. I do see the problems it creates.
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Post by helens on Aug 16, 2013 13:49:08 GMT -5
It will NEVER be like it was before Obamacare, even if we repeal Obamacare. This is because the system itself is BROKEN, and that's acknowledged by everyone, Democrat, Republican AND Independents.
The only thing was what to DO about it, and that's where the plans differed.
Obamacare is the plan invented by the Heritage Foundation to force deadbeats who didn't want to pay for insurance because they didn't think they needed it, to help pony it up for when they DO need it. Why? Because uninsured people needing care makes EVERYONE's insurance/healthcare costs rise continually.
No different than forcing people to pony up for Social Security while working, so when they can't work, they don't die on the street of starvation with no income. Sooner or later, the most healthy will need health care. Sooner or later, the strongest hardest worker will no longer be able to work.
Obamacare = Republican plan.
Democrat plan = Universal Health Care.
So Moderate Obama picks the Republican plan, and the Republicans simply cannot accept their own plan coming from Obama... because if they embrace it, it means embracing Obama. That's a political disaster.
And what makes me think this? Because as hard as they supposedly fought against their own plan Obamacare, WHO was it that screamed and hollered about the Obamacare delay? Oh yah... the Republicans. You'd think if they didn't like it or want it, they'd be GLAD there was any delay? And when it went to the now Conservative Supreme Court, what did they do? Oh yah... upheld the Conservative plan. And who was the deciding vote? The Justice that was most recently appointed, and arguably the most conservative on the bench. He took the bullet for the Republicans, and this guy still cares what other conservatives think. Hrm.
The alternative to Obamacare is Universal Health Care. Now, if you say you prefer that Scott, we'd actually be on the same page. If I were you, being completely contrary to what I think, you should quack like a Republican and embrace Obamacare, because with Obamacare, we still feed the middlemen lots of our money for the same thing. Must keep up that political patronage you know, Insurance companies donate lots and lots of money to Republicans.
I think Obamacare should go too. Because then, the system really would collapse on itself and we'd have Universal much much sooner. Do you really hate Obamacare? That may be a good thing.
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Post by jamesp on Aug 16, 2013 14:31:39 GMT -5
Glad to see you woke up before 9:00 AM Scott. Good morning and Happy Birthday.
Looks like you woke up swinging or someone tinkled in your Wheaties
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Post by jamesp on Aug 16, 2013 14:42:12 GMT -5
Kaiser is doing me the same way. Primary care doc keeps changing till this one. Had her for about 2 years. I dropped the drug thing too. Paying about the same Jean. I quite smoking after 37 years almost 3 years ago and it did nothing to lower my rate...go figure. I am in love with her I am the daughter of a surgeon and a nurse. My father is from Cameroon, located in West Africa, and my mother is from Cincinnati, Ohio. My family moved to California when I was one, and I grew up in sunny, southern California. I received my undergraduate degree from Emory University, and I graduated medical school from Morehouse School of Medicine in 2000. I completed my residency training at Wayne State University in Detroit, specializing in internal medicine. Subsequently, I also completed a fellowship in hospice and palliative care. I am happy to now be a member of the Ambulatory Medicine Department at Kaiser Permanente! She is stunningly pretty but her personality is like no other Doctor. We are fortunate. Only $328 per month Helen. Leave us alone Helen
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 15:31:34 GMT -5
Thanks Jim. Just woke up from my nap. I woke up too early. How's your day goin'?
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Post by jamesp on Aug 16, 2013 17:33:09 GMT -5
I have already done 4 scottadays worth of work. Wife has an order for like 130 lights for 'Tin Lizzy Bar and Grill" and guess who is building them. I have such good diversitility for uniquity (portmanteau(s) designed by me)
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Post by rockpickerforever on Aug 16, 2013 17:48:35 GMT -5
What do they look like, James? What are they made out of?
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