bushmanbilly
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jun 22, 2015 0:31:35 GMT -5
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Post by Rockoonz on Jun 22, 2015 0:36:01 GMT -5
captbob If I recall correctly you can post in every forum but life, the universe... as a guest without being logged in. I have never tried it but it may indeed be possible to write a reply in the quick reply box and not have it post. Since this is a global warming debate thread I think I'll leave the rest alone, this has been an area that we have chosen as a group not to get into out of respect for members. I definitely have strong feelings based on experience but I think there are a few discussions best left to friends speaking face to face.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 22, 2015 4:04:50 GMT -5
The CO2 people always grab 1970-2000 off this graph. Check out 1905-2000: Let's not forget 2001-2008: Oscillations in the position of warm/cold ocean water: And if you do not believe position of warm/cold ocean water effects weather watch hurricanes and the high pressure ridge sitting over California for a while. Let's build a factory and supply jobs to our citizens-HELL NO: "" Over a year ago I advised a client of mine at the time to purchase less air conditioners than for 2010 because the summer of 2011 would be cooler than the summer of 2010. Now there is talk that this is going to turn out like last summer, but assuming it won’t, the forecast was made. BEFORE LAST SUMMER. The client had to put in their order for air conditioners a year beforehand because they were ordering them FROM CHINA. Now every red blooded American gets up in arms because all those jobs should be here in USA, right? But why aren’t they? Well in large part because of policy that is based on absurdities like this, a factory making anything here is now being clamped down on by the EPA so hard, so why bother? Its like Obama said: ” So, if somebody wants to build a coal plant, they can, it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they are going to be charged a huge sum for all the greenhouse gas that will get emitted”. That is a direct quote and is like his energy Sec saying that they seek to take away choices that people waste their money on. Astounding that things like that are being pushed by people in control, or that they even got control in the first place. That is our fault, based on what is obviously flat out nonsense. But combine that with labor costs, and the fact the that the corporate tax rate in the US is higher than China, which few people in our nation seem to get, and this is what happens. Now let’s say we wanted to make sure that a person here working in an air conditioner factory can make a decent wage from a helping hand ( how do like my populist line…from the Ghost of Tom Joad?) Well, get rid of the EPA running roughshod over factory owners, and lower the corporate tax rate to below China’s ( it is so hard to believe that Chinese tax rates are lower) and you will find that companies will stay here and pay a decent wage to build air conditioners, But not if you are clamping down on people based on questionable, don’t-have-a-leg-to-stand-on ideas about co2 warming the planet. Again, it defies logic as to how they got to where they did with this issue, and the facts are there for all to see."" - See more at: notrickszone.com/2011/08/08/joe-bastardi-calls-manmade-co2-global-warming-an-obvious-fraud/#sthash.w3evcSlK.dpuf
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Post by jamesp on Jun 22, 2015 4:25:23 GMT -5
No different than growing orange trees in central Florida ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF LARGE LAKES. Where the large lakes warm the killing winds out of the north. Allowing orange trees to survive in a more northerly territory that would normally receive to many frosts for the blooms to survive. This practice started in the 1800's when mankind had a brain.
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Post by mohs on Jun 22, 2015 17:54:45 GMT -5
back in the in the eighteen hundreds did the south side of the lakes have a higher (ppm) of CO2 ?
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Post by jamesp on Jun 22, 2015 20:04:34 GMT -5
back in the in the eighteen hundreds did the south side of the lakes have a higher (ppm) of CO 2 ? mostly™ LOL. Pretty sure it was the warm water Ed. The CO2 folks would disagree perhaps. It is a free country.
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Post by mohs on Jun 22, 2015 21:16:47 GMT -5
as an interesting experiment perhaps some scientists could gather up of those some sedimentary rocks from the north and south side of lake. After crushing said rocks they could individually analyze the carbon organic isotopes, contained in that sediment, in a mass spectrometer machine. After checking the light refraction rates of biological charcoal and computing the carbon 14 decay rate those scientist could then arrive at a precise directional measurement of the CO 2 concentration based on the ages. And I don’t believe the energy to conduct the experiment would contribute much of carbon footprint. I’m sure there are enough out of work individuals (or prisoners) who would love to break some rocks with hammers. I might be one them mostly
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Post by jamesp on Jun 23, 2015 5:29:49 GMT -5
Better get the prisoners to make sand bags mohs, hardly any rocks in central Florida.
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Post by mohs on Jun 23, 2015 9:27:37 GMT -5
ha ha James! Florida as NO ROCKS bad place to be a prisoner, I suppose
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my apologies to the board I'm just not good at creating controversy I'm damnpter to the fuel I'll try harder next time
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Post by jamesp on Jun 23, 2015 11:09:10 GMT -5
ha ha James! Florida as NO ROCKS bad place to be a prisoner, I suppose mostly my apologies to the board I'm just not good at creating controversy I'm damnpter to the fuel I'll try harder next time mostly™ Some subjects need little fuel Ed. Fire is one form of combustion. Nitroglycerine just takes a bump.
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Post by spiritstone on Jun 23, 2015 11:51:24 GMT -5
All of you calling for El Nino? It Is now confirmed as a worldwide event. There still arguing on the strength of its coming. The El Nino developing across the Pacific strengthened further, according to Australia’s Bureau of Meteorology, which again highlighted patterns shown by the data that are similar to the record 1997-1998 event. Sea-surface temperature indexes for the central and eastern tropical Pacific are more than 1 degree Celsius above average for a sixth week, the bureau said. Models showed the central Pacific will warm further over the coming months, it said. El Ninos have the potential to affect weather and harvests around the globe by baking parts of Asia, dumping rain across South America and bringing cooler summers to North America. The event poses a risk for the global economy in the second half as it can hurt crops and boost inflation, according to Citigroup Inc. The 1997-98 El Nino was the strongest on record, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. “It is unusual to have such a broad extent of warmth across the tropical Pacific,” the Melbourne-based bureau said in its fortnightly update on Tuesday. “The last time this occurred was during the 1997–98 El Nino.” El Ninos are caused by warmings of the Pacific, and they can spur turmoil in farm markets as growers contend with drought or too much rain. Their impact can drive faster inflation across Asia as food costs rise, and may also extend to metals markets. The current event is the first since 2010. Event Intensity The Australian bureau’s update contained twin warnings that it isn’t possible at this stage to determine how intense this event will be, and also that an El Nino’s strength doesn’t always correspond to its impact. In May, forecasters at the center said they expected the current event to be substantial. “The El Nino climate phenomenon is increasing the uncertainty on all markets,” Commerzbank AG said in a report on grains and oilseeds on Tuesday, which noted declining stockpiles for most farm products apart from soybeans. While the India Meteorological Department forecast the El Nino would curb monsoon rainfall to 88 percent of average this year, there’s been a better-than-expected start to the season that nourishes crops across the country. Rains since June 1 have been 23 percent above-average, the department said Tuesday. The majority of models suggest the Pacific will continue to warm in the coming months, possibly reaching strong El Nino levels, the United Nations’ World Meteorological Organization said on June 15. Outlooks at this time aren’t as accurate as ones in the second half, and more-confident estimates of the event’s strength will be available after mid-year, it said. “It is unlikely that the current event will dissipate in the near future, and hence impacts are likely to be apparent for at least the next three to six months,” the WMO said. “Events typically decay in the first quarter of the year following their formation.” www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-23/el-nino-seen-strengthening-as-pacific-warms-just-like-it-s-1997
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Post by chassroc on Jun 23, 2015 14:29:08 GMT -5
Unlike you, we are not foolish enough to take everything a person says and accept it as Gospel You didn't think that comment through did ya Charles? It is impossible to understand your logic or should I say, lack of it, Billy. Charlie
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jun 24, 2015 0:24:22 GMT -5
You didn't think that comment through did ya Charles? It is impossible to understand your logic or should I say, lack of it, Billy. Charlie
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Post by captbob on Jun 24, 2015 10:44:23 GMT -5
At least you didn't get compared to Hitler slacker!
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Post by megalotis on Jun 24, 2015 17:10:26 GMT -5
Spoken like a true rebel, Captbob! I love the politically incorrect flags!
Ironic how the left, whose preferred policies so nearly approach Hitler's (read the Webster's Dictionary definition of fascist) are the ones who love to pin the Hitler/fascist/Nazi title on others.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jun 24, 2015 22:32:47 GMT -5
Passive/aggressive types generally project their own worse character flaws onto others. Works well for the president.
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Post by chassroc on Jun 25, 2015 15:57:54 GMT -5
It is impossible to understand your logic or should I say, lack of it, Billy. Charlie Yes ... you continue to prove me right... It would be nice to see you actually post something original Charlie
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