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Post by mohs on Sept 24, 2015 16:56:07 GMT -5
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Sept 24, 2015 17:59:18 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 18:04:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 18:05:47 GMT -5
Usually the rule is poundage plus one piece.that way if you find a big one, one piece doesn't get you busted.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Sept 24, 2015 18:07:27 GMT -5
did you read the article Scott? "We reached out to the Department of Natural Resources to find out if taking a stone this big is allowed. They tell us the rule is you cannot have more than 25 pounds of the stone per person per year on state managed land. The DNR says they will be looking into this case." Chuck
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Sept 24, 2015 18:15:09 GMT -5
I have never heard that rule and I am still unclear if it only pertains to petoskey stones. Maybe stricter rules for the state stone? I read on a Michigan Rock hounding facebook site last week that someone pulled a truck right up to a state park beach area on Lake Huron and loaded it with beach stones using shovels.
Chuck
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Sept 24, 2015 19:31:19 GMT -5
I found this after some searching.
"The Michigan Department of Natural Resources Land Use Rules allow rock hounds to collect up to 25 pounds per year, per person of aggregate, including invertebrate fossils such as Petoskey Stones from state lands and Great Lakes' bottomlands. On private property, rock collecting requires permission from the property owner. It is also a good idea to check at a specific state park to see if they have any more restrictive collecting rules. "I personally enjoy snorkeling just off shore to find them," Wygant said. Finding them and collecting individual loose stones in Lake Michigan is allowed for personal use, but digging them out of the bottom or taking excessive quantities or stones for commercial purposes is not allowed."
Chuck
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Post by jamesp on Sept 24, 2015 22:38:47 GMT -5
Thank the EPA for the digging objection. They will disallow any disturbance of the soil in any waterway or water body. Due to precipitation of pollutants in the soil under water. Non-poluted rivers like the Peace River in Florida are exempt if they deem river free of such.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Sept 25, 2015 6:33:52 GMT -5
The Rule out West is 25# a day, 250 lbs a Year, plus a boulder. ORPD, Has declared that your only allowed 1 gallon/15 lbs per day for a total of 45# for the year. "25# a day, 250 lbs a Year, plus a boulder." That seems pretty fair for the hobbyist not looking to profit from their finds. Chuck
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Sept 25, 2015 13:18:52 GMT -5
Should know the outcome soon. this is from a new article today. Says he is meeting with the DNR this afternoon.
"The question however, may be the law itself and how it is enforced. After asking several people who rock hunt as a hobby if they ever heard of the law, not one person said yes. Many comments on the UpNorthLive Facebook page also showed just how much confusion is out there regarding any rules and regulations surrounding rock hunting.
A spokesperson for the Department of Natural Resources said they would like to talk with Tim and see the Petoskey stone. Tim has reached out to the DNR office, but has not yet had his calls returned.
UPDATE: As of 1 p.m. Friday the DNR was meeting with Tim O'Brien regarding the Petoskey stone. The outcome of the meeting is not known at this time."
Chuck
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Post by snowmom on Sept 27, 2015 7:31:16 GMT -5
DNR has talked to him and there will be no fine. The policy of 25 lb per person per year is recent (2014)and was enacted to help rangers with inconsistent policy, according to the ranger I spoke with last year. rock collectors were often told different things depending on the ranger they talked to. Policy was evidently set without consulting rock collectors, (my opinion) and still varies with the park that is being hunted. rules and enforcement are still being sorted out and the more rock hunters make their presence known through (friendly) letters, phone calls, stopping at the ranger stations when visiting an area you want to collect, the more likely we are to have use of parks and recreation areas. Tim has suggested that he would be willing to pay for a special rock hound license. I am not sure about that, our taxes are already paying for state parks. Treasure hunters have persued the right to metal detect and pan for gold in the parks, I am thinking rock hounds should unite and make their presence and park usage known as well. If the DNR know there is a demand for areas that can be collected, they are likely to set policies more congenially than if only the "take only pictures, leave only footprints" guys are the ones who speak up. my 2 cents.
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