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Post by glennz01 on Nov 5, 2015 23:46:23 GMT -5
This is over 2000 lbs easily, about 1/4 the size of a car or larger, that slid.. it was on the edge of rolling and I thought it was better to safely make it go down than have us under it and come down some year. Just for note it took us 30-45 min to hike down that distance.. at least 1/4 mile to where the video stopped... if not more. Filmed by my friend.
Be sure to stay safe in in the mountains.. I have seen a few uncontrolled large rocks come down this year from a safe distance. Even the smaller rocks seen here (still larger than your head) will hurt and break stuff!
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Post by Mark K on Nov 6, 2015 6:46:03 GMT -5
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Post by glennz01 on Nov 6, 2015 13:12:16 GMT -5
I'm glad you feel that way... I wish I had your guts to not worry when I hear rocks coming down uncontrollably in the middle of nowhere.. Even the small ones sound much louder than they actually are (still hurts though... doesn't make for a fun hike)
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Post by captbob on Nov 6, 2015 14:00:41 GMT -5
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Post by Sabre52 on Nov 6, 2015 17:21:28 GMT -5
I was hunting jade with the Porterville club one day up on a very steep hill. We decided to roll one of the big nephrite lenses down the hill. Took a bad hop and almost took out a pickup truck. Won't do that again *L*.....Mel
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 22:30:11 GMT -5
And if a hiker, game warden, game animal, eagle nest...... was destroyed by your entirely irresponsible behaviour would you and your buddy stilll be giggling uncontrollably?
Or is it only funny when you dont destroy something valuable?
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Post by Rockoonz on Nov 7, 2015 23:25:41 GMT -5
Not cool at all, stuff like this is the reason rockhounds are shut out of so many collection sites.
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Post by glennz01 on Nov 8, 2015 0:24:29 GMT -5
So do you guys not get the fact that we checked every bit of that area by walking up and didn't want that to fall on us when we were pounding on the rocks below.. This is an area that one anyone who is in it can garentee that there are no other people or animals in... (the only animals up that high are mountian goats and maybe a shrew if your lucky).
People do this on claims all the time to make it safer.. Walking down these slopes usually releases rocks and on other trips we had some very close calls with rocks going over someones head that is 15 ft below us... therefor if it is going to fall we usually help it so it is not a hazard.
As far as this goes site wise it is not in any books, maps or online as far as location goes, nor is it in a state park.
To be honest... we only were hoping it would only go bout 10 ft sliding as it first did.
I can say that if you guys are afraid of rocks coming down the sites I go to have rocks coming down naturally all the time.. I speak from experience when I say even the small ones hurt a lot.
Every time I go to places like that I prey we don't have an earthquake because rocks like this one are commonly released and it is very hard to walk during a quake..
I can say that almost anyone that wanted to hound below where this was would have done the same... It wasn't just us on the trip which is why my buddy yelled rock going down for the people that were at the sides of us..
If anyone seen the shoe Prospectors where they do this on their claims... some of the mountains like this one are worse than that mountain... I would much rather be on that mountian than some that we currently go to... it is safer.
I can say that people that do this in an uncontrolled manner I don't care for, but if it is controlled then it is ok if the rock is a safety issue
Edit... I'm not trying to debate if this was good or bad... all i'm saying is to be safe for whoever goes to dangerous places like this, because rocks this size come down naturally and uncontrolled frequently... and I have seen my fair share of rock that come down naturally that are larger than this. It would be foolish not to inspect large rocks above you to see if they are stable before rock hounding below..
If anyone seen the tv show Prospectors... this mountian is worse than that.. I would much rather climb that mountian.
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Post by Rockoonz on Nov 8, 2015 2:12:20 GMT -5
This is over 2000 lbs easily, about 1/4 the size of a car or larger, that I pushed.. it was on the edge of rolling and I thought it was better to safely make it go down than have us under it and come down some year. Just for note it took us 30-45 min to hike down that distance.. at least 1/4 mile to where the video stopped... if not more. Filmed by my friend. Be sure to stay safe in in the mountains.. I have seen a few uncontrolled large rocks come down this year from a safe distance. Even the smaller rocks seen here (still larger than your head) will hurt and break stuff! "Just for note it took us 30-45 min to hike down that distance" So 45 minutes AFTER you were there you could be certain no one was there? I don't think so. Digging a large hole and pushing it in was a bit too much like work? Hearing those concerned voices in your video says a lot. Reminds me of the idiot that didn't know bullets can ricochet off of water and sent a few across to where we were camped on an alpine lake once.
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Post by glennz01 on Nov 8, 2015 2:40:57 GMT -5
This is over 2000 lbs easily, about 1/4 the size of a car or larger, that I pushed.. it was on the edge of rolling and I thought it was better to safely make it go down than have us under it and come down some year. Just for note it took us 30-45 min to hike down that distance.. at least 1/4 mile to where the video stopped... if not more. Filmed by my friend. Be sure to stay safe in in the mountains.. I have seen a few uncontrolled large rocks come down this year from a safe distance. Even the smaller rocks seen here (still larger than your head) will hurt and break stuff! "Just for note it took us 30-45 min to hike down that distance" So 45 minutes AFTER you were there you could be certain no one was there? I don't think so. Digging a large hole and pushing it in was a bit too much like work? Hearing those concerned voices in your video says a lot. Reminds me of the idiot that didn't know bullets can ricochet off of water and sent a few across to where we were camped on an alpine lake once. It took us about an hour to climb up.. we had people on the other side of the bowl as well. Also as I stated, our group is the only rock hounding group that goes to this particular place hence why its not on a map and commonly known about. We also know that noone else was there as there was no atvs in the farthest area one could get. As far as digging a hole.. we actually made a small pit at the bottom hoping it would catch it (if you can see that rock had a few good agates in it we wanted). Like I said this video is only as a warning to be careful in the mountains.. Whether you choose to believe that we did or did not make sure anyone or anything that could be harmed was out of the way I will leave that up to you... But please no more negative, "presuming we didn't make sure it was safe" posts.
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Post by Rockoonz on Nov 8, 2015 17:16:26 GMT -5
As far as digging a hole.. we actually made a small pit at the bottom hoping it would catch it (if you can see that rock had a few good agates in it we wanted). So a pit right next to it to push it into was way too much like what a responsible group of adults would do, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 17:47:54 GMT -5
Gelnn
Takenotice that a series of old effers each with more years in the field than you been alive, are unanimous in The opinion that this action was wreckless. Your video shows quite well that you guys behaved totally without responsibility.
Own it.
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Post by parfive on Nov 9, 2015 18:25:06 GMT -5
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Post by glennz01 on Nov 10, 2015 0:46:25 GMT -5
that bear was probably dead after the first shot if the people hit its heart... that is why bear mace is better than guns because they will still charge after they are dead.. but i'm much more worried about moose. as far as responsibility goes you can believe what you want like I said.. wheather you trust what I say or not can be up to you.. the entrance to that area is only 50-75 ft wide at the most and 25 ft wide at the least so its easy to watch. but you can choose not to believe me if you want... I think the people on Prospectors tv show, when on mt anterio are a lot more irrisponsible because they don't have spotters... and that is not a remote area. Maybe it would have been better to leave it and risk having it crush us when we were working in our pit. Maybe next year i'll go and capture rocks falling down naturally around us as it happens almost every 5 minutes and basket ball sized stones coming down every 20 minutes.. I just need to find a safe place to stand which is the hardest part as there is no safe place in most areas. But I can say that on all the mountians I climb... your garenteed to have at least 1 rock hit you that hurts.. we almost got burried by landslides a few times because of rocks this size coming down naturally because of wind or water when we were working at different areas.. 40 miles back in them mountains... there is no help, not even satellite phones like to work.. and as in 40 miles I mean 40 miles to the nearest road.. 50 miles to the nearest building where help can be found..
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Post by broseph82 on Nov 10, 2015 10:54:04 GMT -5
@glennz " because they will still charge after they are dead..What? ?? Not sure if srs
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Post by captbob on Nov 10, 2015 10:57:38 GMT -5
Zombie bears!
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Post by glennz01 on Nov 10, 2015 14:26:17 GMT -5
@glennz " because they will still charge after they are dead..What? ?? Not sure if srs I'm very serious. If you shoot a large bear in the heart... it takes a very long time for the bear to actually "die" because the blood takes a long time to work its way back to the heart. Also if I recall correct, when a bear gets adrenaline its brain can function for a while. I'm sure that there is an article online that can explain it far better than I can... this doesn't apply for just bears but any large animal. It may be the same thing like how after the human heart stops you can still come back. I forgot how long bears can live after being shot in the heart but I believe its a few minutes. Someone I knew had to kill a bear because it charged them... it took 7 shots to bring it down.. 1st shot was in the heart, 2nd in the lung 3rd in the jaw which made it decide to turn away... however since they wonded it they had to kill it per alaskan law which states that its illegal to wound an animal but its ok to kill it (including domestic aminals). Then they were just shooting it in areas to just stop it. Everything went to fish and game and If I recall they donated the meat to a local non profit organization.
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Post by glennz01 on Nov 10, 2015 14:44:14 GMT -5
I should also note that pepper spray doesn't always work... and your supposed to yell at em to make them go away... sometimes these methods don't always worth ether..
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Post by captbob on Nov 10, 2015 15:15:11 GMT -5
Glenn, you are 100% correct in that a shot to the heart is not a guaranteed, stop 'em in their tracks, kill shot. Granted, the person or critter on the receiving end of such a shot probably won't be in the game too much longer, but they may have long enough left to do some serious damage before going down. Shoot 'em until they're down! 3rd in the jaw which made it decide to turn away... One of my gun instructors has a saying: "Shoot anything in the face and it will leave you alone." That would make a good bumper sticker
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Post by Pat on Nov 10, 2015 15:20:30 GMT -5
Reminds me of killing chickens. They can run around for a while after their heads are chopped off. Or so I've heard!
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