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Post by Pat on Oct 8, 2017 0:17:09 GMT -5
Re two-sided: If I made the above piece as a two-sided piece, instead of putting the basenite on the back, I could put it on each side.
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Post by Bluesky78987 on Oct 8, 2017 9:51:23 GMT -5
Pat Yes, that would work too, but you wouldn't have very much glue area. It would be better than no side pieces, but I think having a back would be better. are you putting on the backing last? Thinking out loud here - I wonder if it would work to do the front construction, lap the back flat, glue on soft material, grind it really really thin on the lap (like almost see-through thin), then build your back pattern separately, lap it flat, and glue to that. This is what's fun about intarsia - you can get really creative with what you make and how you attach it. In our class, which was just a quick afternoon class, the teacher built the piece first, ground teh front flat and tidied it up, and then covered the back with steel epoxy. Which you then have to grind down flat. Essentially a backer. But messier. Lighter though. I think I'd prefer to use a proper backer.
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Post by Bluesky78987 on Oct 8, 2017 9:52:32 GMT -5
Or, you could omit the back/middle layer, but just make sure the seams on teh back side don't line up with the seams on the front side. Offset like bricks. It would be strong enough then probably.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 10:39:29 GMT -5
The epoxy glue is stronger and more durable than the stones. Why is a back needed? Aren't the stones strong to enough to be a cabochon on their own?
Never made intarsia and never would have used a backer if I did. Just spit balling here.
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Post by Pat on Oct 8, 2017 10:45:07 GMT -5
Scott, backing is for stability. There are seven pieces to my intarsia. To expect them to all hang together while wearing, is a little chancey. Cabs are singles. Don’t need to hang together with anything. If so, we use bezels on a backplate, or a stepped bezel.
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Post by barclay on Oct 8, 2017 11:12:50 GMT -5
Very nice work! Thanks for the tutorial. i have been thinking about branching out into intarsia myself and I have an Ameritool to work with.
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Post by Pat on Oct 8, 2017 14:07:24 GMT -5
Bluesky78987 all good ideas. Yes, I put the back on last. I like the front/back different seams idea, too. So many possibilities. What did your teacher use for a white stone for the frame? Or did she? Apparently, white magnesite is hard to come by. Howlite too soft. Maybe white jade, or something with some color, though I like the high contrast of the black and white.
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 8, 2017 21:46:11 GMT -5
For white rock I use the opaque white agate from the polkadot agate mine, takes a great polish.
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Post by damonpointagates on Oct 8, 2017 22:05:50 GMT -5
Very nice work!
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Post by Pat on Oct 8, 2017 22:25:33 GMT -5
RockoonzBluesky78987Anyone else make an intarsia piece? Could you post photos of the intarsia you have done? It would be instructive.
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 8, 2017 23:37:22 GMT -5
Here's the recent one, the rest are held for ransom on p-bucket. I have backups on camera cards, I never erase anything.  On a brighter note, you can expect more fresh stuff in a few weeks, Tomorrow I drop a check in the mail addressed to Al Sesona.
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 8, 2017 23:59:14 GMT -5
OK found another, it was my class project in the class I took in 2013 at the rockhound retreat. 
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Post by Pat on Oct 9, 2017 0:13:26 GMT -5
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Post by Bluesky78987 on Oct 9, 2017 9:14:04 GMT -5
Pat - sure, will take some pics in a few. I've used Howlite on a couple of them. Why would they say Howlite is too soft? It works great and is cheap and readily available (especially here in CA). One piece I have Howlite next to black jade from australia next to pinolith. No undercutting problems and it's non-chippy and easy to cut match sticks from. Polishes great too. @shotgunner - You need a backing of some sort because the surface area you're gluing is too small for long term strengh. This is an exaggeration, but it's like gluing two 2x4s toghether end to end. Some of the pices are really thin (front to back of the piece). While it's strong in tension, it's weak if it were to encounter bending forces. Back it, and now your glue seam is going to resist the shearing forces of bending (as well as whatever stiffness the backing stone has).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 9:38:05 GMT -5
I guess I have to try it out. I would have thought the epoxy in the joints would hold as well as the stones.
Thanks Susan
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Post by Bluesky78987 on Oct 9, 2017 10:59:07 GMT -5
(Deleted post - looks like I killed the thread, soooorrry.)
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Post by Bluesky78987 on Oct 9, 2017 11:00:57 GMT -5
I guess I have to try it out. I would have thought the epoxy in the joints would hold as well as the stones. Thanks Susan Sure, no prob. Yeah, it will hold as long as you don't put any stress on it, but I broke a couple joints as I was grinding some of mine, since you do the grinding before backing it. Maybe it would hold up fine to normal use, grinding is probably more stress than hanging around somebody's neck. Especially if you're going to set it in a bezel.
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Post by berfle on Apr 29, 2018 15:43:51 GMT -5
Hello, I’m new to the forum and was perusing the posts and came across this interesting Intarsia discussion. I’ve been making Intarsia and also teaching classes for a number of years. Regarding the super glue and backing discussion... I love super glue for building intarsia as it dries quick and makes a strong bond. However using it alone has 2 major disadvantages. First it is very brittle and simply dropping your constructed piece on a hard table top (not to mention the floor) COULD possibly result in sufficient jarring to cause one or more joints to come apart. Second, super glues (cyanoacrylates) will eventually break down with exposure to water/moisture. The solution is to attach a backing with (clear) epoxy then it will never come apart.
If you have a piece that’s interesting on both sides such as in some picture jaspers, a solution I’ve had a lot of success with is to attach the final bordern with epoxy.
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Post by Pat on Apr 29, 2018 21:17:23 GMT -5
berfle. Please post photos of some of your pieces. Thanks for the glue information. I’ll use clear epoxy on my next creation’s backing.
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Post by mohs on Apr 30, 2018 15:17:53 GMT -5
Epoxy is an incredible bonding agent to rocks never ceased to amaze how strong the bonds are Through out the grinding process and as incredible longevity..
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