sophia13
spending too much on rocks
RIP Jason Strickland, AKA sophia13
Member since March 2018
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Post by sophia13 on Apr 2, 2018 17:49:24 GMT -5
If one got this cool Intarsia grinder would there be a need in the shop for a flat lap or slant cabber still? Don't want to be redundant or have overlapping equipment if you will 😀 Just trying to get a handle on their uses and place in the shop. Thank you.
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Post by TheRock on Apr 3, 2018 17:37:07 GMT -5
Coming from a guy who has purchased thousands of dollars of Lapidary tools in a short amount of time I will say this, every Tool has its purpose and every purpose has it's Tool. Although there are many styles of hammers and saws sold. When building a house you wouldn't use a roofing hammer to correctly trim a house. Nor would you use a rough cut saw to cut the trim. Can it be done? Yes would I want it on my house? NOPE. The Intarsia Grinder has its purpose. And for the $$ PRICE $$ how can you go wrong it is definitely a value on what AL SESONA is asking for it. If I was needing a cabber or a Lap starting out this is an excellent place to start! ~Duke
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Post by TheRock on Apr 9, 2018 19:16:51 GMT -5
Well I got my Grinder today but is missing a the brackets to hold the water tank on the unit, This is a picture of Mels Below. I did some other inspection Including Build Quality and I am Sorry But I will always tell it how it is. Someone said in the thread (THIS THING SCREAMS QUALITY!!!) I am here to tell you this thing screams FIRE!!! A Lamp Cord Un-grounded REALLY that means no GFI Protection without a ground! Also the NEC Electrical Code would frown very heavily on this. This whole setup also (SCREAMS LAWSUIT!) Looks like I will be going to LOWES Tonight and buying Some 12/3 and a grounded plug and rewire it. Since it is a device with water I would make sure your wiring has GFI Protection and have someone Re-wire yours, and use appropriate wire with grounded plug. I Have 4 circuits in my shop and the first outlet in my shop is GFI Protected as is every outlet downstream of them BE CAREFUL! a Rock is not worth a life! Remember WORK AND PLAY SAFE! Not like these guys Mels Grinder.Here Is Mine. LAMP CORD UN-GROUNDED
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Post by Rockoonz on Apr 9, 2018 22:48:39 GMT -5
Are you sure? My bracket was pretty mummified in bubble wrap.
As to the ground wire, 20 or 30 years ago when he first started making them I'm sure it was standard, I've seen a few older tools wired with lamp cords. I made up a jumper cause I wanted to use it, but plan to rewire it eventually. As for the cord, unless you need a 200' cord it's a waste of money to use 12g where 14g or even 16g is code, in a borderline situation like running the 50a sub panel for my shop I chose 6g where 8g would have passed code, but the unit draws no more than 4a including light bulb.
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Post by TheRock on Apr 10, 2018 0:49:06 GMT -5
Are you sure? My bracket was pretty mummified in bubble wrap. As to the ground wire, 20 or 30 years ago when he first started making them I'm sure it was standard, I've seen a few older tools wired with lamp cords. I made up a jumper cause I wanted to use it, but plan to rewire it eventually. As for the cord, unless you need a 200' cord it's a waste of money to use 12g where 14g or even 16g is code, in a borderline situation like running the 50a sub panel for my shop I chose 6g where 8g would have passed code, but the unit draws no more than 4a including light bulb. YES I am sure. Being a Contractor for 36 years there isn't much I haven't seen. There is a whole bunch more that comes into play here that you must not be aware of. A lamp cord does not have the type of insulation required to be the correct type wire nor is their a proper strain relief connector used. Which is another Violation entirely. I wouldn't use less than 14ga which is good for 15 amps the cost difference is negligible. Just because something was done 30 years ago I would hate to be the Tool Vendor that had to explain to the wife thats the way I did it for 30 years. The Lawyers would be licking their chops and counting the money$$$ SJOOW Portable Cord Properties SJOOW Portable Cord is rated to 300 volts and has a temperature range of –40ºC to 90ºC. These characteristics make SOOW Portable Cord an excellent choice for mitigating outdoor factors that would otherwise alter the performance of wire or cable. The letters SJOOW denote particular properties of the cable: S for Service J for Junior (300 Volts) OO for Oil-resistant insulation and Oil-resistant jacket W for Weather and Water resistance. SJOOW Cable Features: - Excellent resistance to oil, water and moisture - Sunlight resistant - Good tensile strength, elongation and aging characteristics - Highly flexible - UL Listed and CSA Certified for indoor and outdoor use Standards: - UL Flexible Cord - UL Subject 62 - CSA Flexible Cord - C22.2-49 - MSHA Approved - RoHS Compliant Construction: Conductors: 18 through 10 AWG fully annealed stranded bare copper per ASTM B-174 Insulation: Premium-grade, color-coded 90ºC EPDM. Color Code: 2 Conductors: Black, White 3 Conductors: Black, White, Green 4 Conductors: Black, White, Red, Green
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Post by TheRock on Apr 10, 2018 1:19:09 GMT -5
Hey Rockoonz There are two missing brackets were both in plastic? I checked twice I will ck again. ~Duke
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 10, 2018 8:05:27 GMT -5
My parts were in plastic, too. As to the wiring- I never thought about it... at all. One of my Genie lamps has a regular cord, too. I won't be plugging either in where they will get wet.
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Post by TheRock on Apr 10, 2018 15:57:13 GMT -5
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Post by Rockoonz on Apr 11, 2018 20:13:44 GMT -5
Ruh-roh! When, if I'm 90 something one day and I'm not drooling and soiling myself I see that as a huge victory. Al definitely will make it right.
I get damaged contractors extension cords from friends and from estates or garage sales pretty regularly and use the non damaged male end for power cords. Since they're meant for outdoor use the plugs are molded on. Anything that lives on my wet bench has one of those.
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Post by taylor on Jan 14, 2020 11:27:16 GMT -5
This thread was very interesting to me back in 2017/2018. Now for the follow up questions for those who have Mr. Sesona's machine. melhill1659 Rockoonz rockjunquie Pat TheRockDo you love it? Would you buy it again? Are you making intarsia pieces or using the machine for something else? All insights appreciated!
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Post by Rockoonz on Jan 15, 2020 8:06:05 GMT -5
I like mine. Not using it as much as I would like because I'm busy with other pursuits right now, retiring and getting a house ready to sell. It has been a go to machine for a number of tasks. Wish it was 8" instead of 6" though, but overall it's a great value.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 15, 2020 8:47:14 GMT -5
This thread was very interesting to me back in 2017/2018. Now for the follow up questions for those who have Mr. Sesona's machine. melhill1659 Rockoonz rockjunquie Pat TheRock Do you love it? Would you buy it again? Are you making intarsia pieces or using the machine for something else? All insights appreciated! I'm happy with mine. I use it a lot to grind backs flat as I haven't tried much intarsia, yet. It always gets pushed to the back of a long list of things to do.
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Post by taylor on Jan 15, 2020 22:37:33 GMT -5
I like mine. Not using it as much as I would like because I'm busy with other pursuits right now, retiring and getting a house ready to sell. It has been a go to machine for a number of tasks. Wish it was 8" instead of 6" though, but overall it's a great value. Two very big deals...good luck with the house and happy retirement! What tasks are you using the grinder to do? I am trying to figure out if it will benefit cabbing even if I find out intarsia isn't for me. I like the look of the intarsia pieces and being able to make my own for jewelry would be more unique than the pieces that are available on the commercial market. Thanks!
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Post by taylor on Jan 15, 2020 22:45:04 GMT -5
This thread was very interesting to me back in 2017/2018. Now for the follow up questions for those who have Mr. Sesona's machine. melhill1659 Rockoonz rockjunquie Pat TheRock Do you love it? Would you buy it again? Are you making intarsia pieces or using the machine for something else? All insights appreciated! I'm happy with mine. I use it a lot to grind backs flat as I haven't tried much intarsia, yet. It always gets pushed to the back of a long list of things to do. Good to know. The Cab King comes with a 220 lap plate which I use regularly. Thanks!
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Post by Rockoonz on Jan 16, 2020 0:44:55 GMT -5
taylor here's a pic of some focal beads I make using the grinder for the preliminary shaping. Makes it easy to make beads that would be difficult with the genie. Mine is set up in a rotating work station I use for a number of things, but primarily Intarsia, carving, and bead making. Real space saver in a relatively small shop. The Faceting machine is also used for intarsia.
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Post by knave on Jan 16, 2020 4:02:45 GMT -5
That rotating table is a great idea.
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Post by taylor on Jan 16, 2020 21:33:17 GMT -5
Thank you Rockoonz. I like your focal beads. And the multi-task work table is an ingenious use of space!
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Post by Pat on Jan 16, 2020 23:38:20 GMT -5
I like my intarsia grinder. Glad I have it. I do all the flats on my Ameritool flat lap. Do the angles on the Sedona grinder. Have slanted rocks for the 45 and 90 degree angles
A friend studied my grinder, quizzing me all the while, then went home and made such attachments for the right side of his Genie; that is the outside that is perpendicular to the finest wheel wheels. He used strong magnets, so the various grits and attachments could be changed easily.
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Post by melhill1659 on Jan 20, 2020 16:41:05 GMT -5
This thread was very interesting to me back in 2017/2018. Now for the follow up questions for those who have Mr. Sesona's machine. melhill1659 Rockoonz rockjunquie Pat TheRockDo you love it? Would you buy it again? Are you making intarsia pieces or using the machine for something else? All insights appreciated! Hello, I’m still loving mine! I use it constantly for Intarsia, inlay, and flat lapping some time. Still going strong. I will have to replace the flat grinder part eventually. I bought the concave grinder that I’ve yet to use 🤣
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Post by Pat on Jan 20, 2020 17:25:30 GMT -5
melhill1659. The concave disc is available again? It wasn’t when I first tried to buy it. Thanks.
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