spiritstone
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Post by spiritstone on Jan 27, 2018 9:42:15 GMT -5
I'm guessing the only way the outcome would be equal to all who participated to start off with is the material for one would have to be supplied by the site, judges or outside party, such as the tumbling contest held each year. Secondly it would have to be the "same" material with pattern or "no pattern" for all that is cutting this way all stones are identical except for the finished calibrated cab, or did i miss reading this? I have a hard time seeing the criteria being met to launch a contest like this. Still open for ideas.  |
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 27, 2018 10:08:39 GMT -5
I'm guessing the only way the outcome would be equal to all who participated to start off with is the material for one would have to be supplied by the site, judges or outside party, such as the tumbling contest held each year. Secondly it would have to be the "same" material with pattern or "no pattern" for all that is cutting this way all stones are identical except for the finished calibrated cab, or did i miss reading this? I have a hard time seeing the criteria being met to launch a contest like this. Still open for ideas. Actually, Tommy and I are kicking around an idea for a different contest, much like the worldwide tumbling contest, that would start with the same material. This one, however, started out as a smaller, friendly competition with no specifics. I'm just trying to nail some things down so we have something to go by. Can you be more specific? It would help me in coming up with ideas. |
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Post by spiritstone on Jan 27, 2018 10:32:24 GMT -5
I'm guessing the only way the outcome would be equal to all who participated to start off with is the material for one would have to be supplied by the site, judges or outside party, such as the tumbling contest held each year. Secondly it would have to be the "same" material with pattern or "no pattern" for all that is cutting this way all stones are identical except for the finished calibrated cab, or did i miss reading this? I have a hard time seeing the criteria being met to launch a contest like this. Still open for ideas. Actually, Tommy and I are kicking around an idea for a different contest, much like the worldwide tumbling contest, that would start with the same material. This one, however, started out as a smaller, friendly competition with no specifics. I'm just trying to nail some things down so we have something to go by. Can you be more specific? It would help me in coming up with ideas. I was thinking cost of material and postage to ship each package out. Maybe an entry fee? to cover it. |
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Post by Tommy on Jan 27, 2018 11:03:48 GMT -5
I think what Tela is saying is lets keep this one a simple as possible and take the steps needed to judge correctly. When (if) we do the "World Wide" contest we'll have everything spelled out and written down on a website page. The way I'm seeing it go - we make a contest post along the lines of "Winner take all Cab contest" or whatever the name becomes. The post is just a call to send your entry to Tommy by such and such date. Tommy receives them, creates anonymity, photographs and sends them on to Tela for judging. Once she is done I post a public judging poll for overall beauty and visual appeal. When a winner is declared the package is mailed on. Using captbob's split vote idea - I like the idea of 70/30 weighting on the workmanship points with closely matched stones to be decided by the public on visual appeal - but I'm fine with whatever is decided. My remaining questions is how do we make sure people aren't just picking a cab out of their stash and entering it without breaking public anonymity? |
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 27, 2018 11:50:16 GMT -5
I think what Tela is saying is lets keep this one a simple as possible and take the steps needed to judge correctly. When (if) we do the "World Wide" contest we'll have everything spelled out and written down on a website page. The way I'm seeing it go - we make a contest post along the lines of "Winner take all Cab contest" or whatever the name becomes. The post is just a call to send your entry to Tommy by such and such date. Tommy receives them, creates anonymity, photographs and sends them on to Tela for judging. Once she is done I post a public judging poll for overall beauty and visual appeal. When a winner is declared the package is mailed on. Using captbob 's split vote idea - I like the idea of 70/30 weighting on the workmanship points with closely matched stones to be decided by the public on visual appeal - but I'm fine with whatever is decided. My remaining questions is how do we make sure people aren't just picking a cab out of their stash and entering it without breaking public anonymity? If they submit with a picture of the slab, one of the things I could judge is the "capture". If we wanted to go that deep. But, that could show it was theirs. |
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Post by Tommy on Jan 27, 2018 12:15:54 GMT -5
If they submit with a picture of the slab, one of the things I could judge is the "capture". If we wanted to go that deep. But, that could show it was theirs. Maybe use it as part of the submission process - announce that you are entering by sending a picture of preform to Tommy - then mail the physical cab. This way if I post the preform picture, the "design capture" element could be part of the public vote. |
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 27, 2018 12:25:02 GMT -5
Even better. That way the subjective points will be left to the board. |
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Dr DG
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Post by Dr DG on Jan 27, 2018 12:41:48 GMT -5
was in a cabochon contest a few weeks ago, i thought it would nice to have one here, a lot of people on this board make great cabochons.
the contest i was in, a score card was used to pick a winner.
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Post by unclesoska on Jan 27, 2018 13:06:18 GMT -5
Howz this sound?- Entrant mails cab to photographer. Photographer takes photos and posts to forum for members to vote on, then ships to judge(s) anonymously. After voting, top 3 cabs get judged by Tela or Tommy or whoever and winner is awarded by judges decision based on pre-established criteria.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 17:58:20 GMT -5
I'd be interested in WATCHING TAKING THE PHOTOS FOR a winner take all cab contest. fixed it for ya! +1 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 18:01:45 GMT -5
World Cab Contest?
Meh
Think big. Go for it all!
"Galactic Cab Competition"
Entries welcome from any cabmaker in the entire universe. Known and unknown. Then we will see some real exotic materials.
ETA damned autocorrect
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Post by vwfence on Jan 28, 2018 9:51:04 GMT -5
I wont have a dog in this fight , but in my humble opinion everyone should be working with the same material off of the same rock or at least it should all be agate or jasper ect .
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Post by roy on Jan 28, 2018 12:33:45 GMT -5
its simple really there is the peoples vote along with the tech vote from the judge ! we have done this before by pairing the cabber with the wrappers winner take all and there were many that took part no complaining just lots of fun !
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 28, 2018 13:30:39 GMT -5
Howz this sound?- Entrant mails cab to photographer. Photographer takes photos and posts to forum for members to vote on, then ships to judge(s) anonymously. After voting, top 3 cabs get judged by Tela or Tommy or whoever and winner is awarded by judges decision based on pre-established criteria. Pretty much looking like something close. I think Tommy mentioned doing the pictures when he gets them and posting them along with a pic submitted by entrant of the preform/slab so that the board could also judge the "capture". It's sounding like a good, simple plan. Just need the criteria nailed down. |
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Post by Rockoonz on Jan 28, 2018 18:05:13 GMT -5
The IROC approach (supposedly equal slabs to start) kind of becomes a potential point of contention. I have never cut a rock into slabs and had the slabs be even remotely equal, with the possible exception of manmade materials and possibly obsidian and really boring one color jaspers.
I wouldn't want to be the person mailing the slabs out to entrants.
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Post by spiritstone on Jan 28, 2018 18:53:04 GMT -5
The IROC approach (supposedly equal slabs to start) kind of becomes a potential point of contention. I have never cut a rock into slabs and had the slabs be even remotely equal, with the possible exception of manmade materials and possibly obsidian and really boring one color jaspers. I wouldn't want to be the person mailing the slabs out to entrants. You might be able to get away with materials like jade, larimar, chalcedony and a few others. I have some jade and chalcedony that is a mono tone color. |
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Post by Tommy on Jan 28, 2018 19:32:57 GMT -5
The IROC approach (supposedly equal slabs to start) kind of becomes a potential point of contention. I have never cut a rock into slabs and had the slabs be even remotely equal, with the possible exception of manmade materials and possibly obsidian and really boring one color jaspers. I wouldn't want to be the person mailing the slabs out to entrants. I can think of a few that would come pretty close - close enough anyway. The first one that came to mind was Kambaba (crocodile jasper) because I had a big hunk of it and every slab looked exactly the same so I got bored with it after several slabs from each end and sold the hunk. I also have a hunk of a special ocean jasper that I've practically cut into a cube and it looks and feels the same on every side. Another one is a large piece of Sci-Fi jasper I have - dead stock same looking stuff from every angle. The question would be - if we started a "Worldwide" contest and I sent out a slab to each participant, how many participants would we get? 20? 100? makes a big difference on what gets sent out. |
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Post by HankRocks on Jan 28, 2018 20:10:49 GMT -5
A comment from someone who will not be participating as I don't Cab, yet!. Having someone sending out a slab of the same material seems like a lot of work for whomever, especially if the number of entrants increased to 20 or more. Also assume that whoever sends the material out will be compensated, more complication. I understand the reasoning behind using the same material, just don't want to anyone overloaded.
I will go back to my tumblers now.
Henry
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 29, 2018 9:24:59 GMT -5
A comment from someone who will not be participating as I don't Cab, yet!. Having someone sending out a slab of the same material seems like a lot of work for whomever, especially if the number of entrants increased to 20 or more. Also assume that whoever sends the material out will be compensated, more complication. I understand the reasoning behind using the same material, just don't want to anyone overloaded. I will go back to my tumblers now. Henry Thank you! But, the idea for the same rough would be for a worldwide contest. That would be separate from this and may never even happen. You point out some good reasons why. |
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Post by minerken on Jan 29, 2018 12:25:53 GMT -5
Have been watching this thread with interest amazing how it seems to be coming together. I think that it is moving in the right direction. I had some thoughts kinda sorta along the same lines.
1.The idea of using the same material i.e. jasper, agate, etc is a very good idea, something fairly common and available to all or most members there could be conditions set like brecciated yellow jasper, Montana agate, Brazilian agate, etc. etc.
2. A size and shape limit example no less than 30x40mm no more than 35x45mm. Shape common oval/ellipse, tear drop, round and so forth.
3 A degree of difficulty for instance at least one inside curve, one pointed end, tapered thickness or consistent thickness.
The basic idea is to keep the playing field as level as possible without restricting artistic flare like composition. In order to reduce confusion an example of the the parameters should be posted(by the judges) beforehand a picture representing the parameters.
Entries should follow the same posting rules as the normal contest pic of slab, preform, and finished product (with several views i.e front, back and side.). A description of how technical aspects were achieved would be nice for instance a carving technique with dremel type tool for inside curves or the edge of a wheel.
If any of you watch some of the reality competition shows like the cooking shows or Forged in fire can see where I am coming from. I don't mean for my examples to be the ones used just an example. Parameters could be set up based on members suggestions and voted on to establish the final quidlines.
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