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Post by fernwood on Nov 8, 2019 8:17:09 GMT -5
Looking good there.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 8, 2019 8:45:57 GMT -5
That is an impressively large space! Both wife and I like shop space Tela. Our living space is real small. A 2 story cabin only 26' x 26'. This will add a lot of needed living space.
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Post by 1dave on Nov 8, 2019 9:41:28 GMT -5
You started when you were in your teens 1dave !! I hope to get the third layer of retaining wall blocks on in the next ten years. What the . . . Someone stole my legacy! Now what am I to do with the rest of my life?
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Post by jamesp on Nov 9, 2019 5:53:11 GMT -5
fernwood 1daveThey say today Saturday is the final day. This is day 12. Not bad at all. They averaged 5 men/day at 10 hours/day, so about 600 man hours. They are all young bucks, loud, wild and abused substances at times. Practiced no safety methods being back here in the woods with no govt. or OSHA scrutiny. They worked very hard and seemed knowledgeable and conscientious. The work required a lot of climbing, both on ladders and free climbing. Strange that the none of them used a torch. The old school guy was the owner(and torch man) of the erecting business and he passed recently. His young son has taken over the business. They asked me do the torch work to relocate or make bolt holes as needed. They watched me free climb with tools and torch hanging over my shoulder. The old school goat, I hid my pains well. The few torch jobs I did wore me out lol. Glad the job was hired. It appears they under quoted the job At $12,000 considering equipment rental at $600/day and travel distance. I told them to charge more, that they were way low. They said the old reputable erector companies were slowly going out of business and they could charge more when competition was less. And when they became better known. They need to stop using a heavy fork lift and driving it on the customer's concrete slab. Risking cracking the slab. A crane is the way. Good thing my slab was 7 to 8 inches thick and full of long fiber reinforcement, poured on hard ground.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 9, 2019 6:32:29 GMT -5
This lean-to is only 8 feet from the original cabin. We hope to join the cabin to the new building at this lean-to. May wait till the homestead tax reduction happens. It can also serve as a scaffold to finish siding the existing old metal building.
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Post by rockjunquie on Nov 9, 2019 6:40:52 GMT -5
This lean-to is only 8 feet from the original cabin. We hope to join the cabin to the new building at this lean-to. May wait till the homestead tax reduction happens. It can also serve as a scaffold to finish siding the existing old metal building. Wonderful, James. This is just so impressive and I would almost say I am envious, but I have no land. LOL!
You know what would be cool, though? Do you have a drone for some aerial views of this and your cabin?
Your home space of 25x25 is not much bigger than what I've got. We had 5 people here at one time. Having all that new space will make you feel like a king.
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Post by HankRocks on Nov 9, 2019 8:24:33 GMT -5
This lean-to is only 8 feet from the original cabin. We hope to join the cabin to the new building at this lean-to. May wait till the homestead tax reduction happens. It can also serve as a scaffold to finish siding the existing old metal building. What is the purpose of the 2nd steel column on the round pedestal? That little tree can't be too happy!!
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Post by 1dave on Nov 9, 2019 9:36:24 GMT -5
It is becoming an English style Manor!
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Post by jamesp on Nov 9, 2019 12:50:44 GMT -5
This lean-to is only 8 feet from the original cabin. We hope to join the cabin to the new building at this lean-to. May wait till the homestead tax reduction happens. It can also serve as a scaffold to finish siding the existing old metal building. Wonderful, James. This is just so impressive and I would almost say I am envious, but I have no land. LOL!
You know what would be cool, though? Do you have a drone for some aerial views of this and your cabin? Your home space of 25x25 is not much bigger than what I've got. We had 5 people here at one time. Having all that new space will make you feel like a king.
So others live in small spaces too. 5 in 25x25 might be too intimate for comfort. I feel for you Tela. I have threatened a drone. Especially up in the mountains. They have made them easier to fly too. Looking forward to the space truly. Mainly the big room with no appliance noise and wife is a noisy one for some reason lol.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 9, 2019 13:02:02 GMT -5
This lean-to is only 8 feet from the original cabin. We hope to join the cabin to the new building at this lean-to. May wait till the homestead tax reduction happens. It can also serve as a scaffold to finish siding the existing old metal building. What is the purpose of the 2nd steel column on the round pedestal? That little tree can't be too happy!! I asked the same question. It is called a wind brace. Because all of the walls are open there is no crossed cable brace so they used this wind brace. it also required a ton of concrete to fill the round tank.(actually 2.8 tons !!) Freaked out the concrete men. The other building has a similar arrangement east to west. There was a crossed cable brace running north-south on the other building and I asked them to leave it out due to windows. I have to weld a pipe between old and new building about 9 feet above ground level to serve as north-south bracing, easy enough. BIL and SIL are fighting over who gets that Japanese Maple. It is a fancy Dissectum variety. I just watch them quibble and smile.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 9, 2019 13:03:14 GMT -5
It is becoming an English style Manor! Ho ho, my white trash manor perhaps Dave. Low low maintenance.
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Post by HankRocks on Nov 9, 2019 13:48:39 GMT -5
What is the purpose of the 2nd steel column on the round pedestal? That little tree can't be too happy!! I asked the same question. It is called a wind brace. Because all of the walls are open there is no crossed cable brace so they used this wind brace. it also required a ton of concrete to fill the round tank.(actually 2.8 tons !!) Freaked out the concrete men. The other building has a similar arrangement east to west. There was a crossed cable brace running north-south on the other building and I asked them to leave it out due to windows. I have to weld a pipe between old and new building about 9 feet above ground level to serve as north-south bracing, easy enough. BIL and SIL are fighting over who gets that Japanese Maple. It is a fancy Dissectum variety. I just watch them quibble and smile. That's some wind brace!! I think there's enough steel in your new buildings to build a couple hundred East Texas Carports. Of course most of those can be seen in the Tornado Videos, flying over to the next county.
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Post by HankRocks on Nov 9, 2019 13:52:37 GMT -5
Wonderful, James. This is just so impressive and I would almost say I am envious, but I have no land. LOL!
You know what would be cool, though? Do you have a drone for some aerial views of this and your cabin? Your home space of 25x25 is not much bigger than what I've got. We had 5 people here at one time. Having all that new space will make you feel like a king.
So others live in small spaces too. 5 in 25x25 might be too intimate for comfort. I feel for you Tela. I have threatened a drone. Especially up in the mountains. They have made them easier to fly too. Looking forward to the space truly. Mainly the big room with no appliance noise and wife is a noisy one for some reason lol. You better be careful flying a drone up in the hills in that part of the country. There's probably folks who would bring them down to keep from being spied on!
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Post by jamesp on Nov 9, 2019 18:45:29 GMT -5
I asked the same question. It is called a wind brace. Because all of the walls are open there is no crossed cable brace so they used this wind brace. it also required a ton of concrete to fill the round tank.(actually 2.8 tons !!) Freaked out the concrete men. The other building has a similar arrangement east to west. There was a crossed cable brace running north-south on the other building and I asked them to leave it out due to windows. I have to weld a pipe between old and new building about 9 feet above ground level to serve as north-south bracing, easy enough. BIL and SIL are fighting over who gets that Japanese Maple. It is a fancy Dissectum variety. I just watch them quibble and smile. That's some wind brace!! I think there's enough steel in your new buildings to build a couple hundred East Texas Carports. Of course most of those can be seen in the Tornado Videos, flying over to the next county. Steel buildings require a lot of bracing. Steel does well in compression and support but vulnerable to racking. Small cable pulled tight in an 'X' is effective as it gets. You would be surprised how light weight the red iron is. The whole building is designed, cut and welded by computer. Big robots do the cutting and welding. The engineer doesn't have to be overly educated. He basically plugs your desired dimensions into a computer and out comes the drawings and parameters for the robots.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 9, 2019 18:49:48 GMT -5
So others live in small spaces too. 5 in 25x25 might be too intimate for comfort. I feel for you Tela. I have threatened a drone. Especially up in the mountains. They have made them easier to fly too. Looking forward to the space truly. Mainly the big room with no appliance noise and wife is a noisy one for some reason lol. You better be careful flying a drone up in the hills in that part of the country. There's probably folks who would bring them down to keep from being spied on! I have yet to meet many what seem to be underworld characters. Certain they are up there. The building permit dept is not shy up there. There is certainly favoritism and conflicts of interest with the govt.. If having to guess the judges would be biased.
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Post by HankRocks on Nov 9, 2019 19:02:59 GMT -5
That's some wind brace!! I think there's enough steel in your new buildings to build a couple hundred East Texas Carports. Of course most of those can be seen in the Tornado Videos, flying over to the next county. Steel buildings require a lot of bracing. Steel does well in compression and support but vulnerable to racking. Small cable pulled tight in an 'X' is effective as it gets. You would be surprised how light weight the red iron is. The whole building is designed, cut and welded by computer. Big robots do the cutting and welding. The engineer doesn't have to be overly educated. He basically plugs your desired dimensions into a computer and out comes the drawings and parameters for the robots. Unfortunately, not overly educated engineers and programs that just spit out answers is going to be a problem going forward. I noticed it at the end of my career. Folks ran with the generated numbers and got into trouble. All it takes is one wrong entry, and the resulting value can be off. An experienced, well-trained engineer knows what values should be coming out and can spot mistakes and then go back and check his input. The less than experienced, I want to be "vice-president in a year" don't have time for checking their own work, the computer gave me a number so let's run with it. One of my first tasks out of school was routing Electrical Cable Tray through a Power Plant. This was way before 3D models. You had to look at lots of drawings to find access routes through Steel, Piping, vessels, etc. It was the dang cross bracing that gave me the most trouble. It was easy to miss the vertical and horizontal steel. The dang members at angles not so much. It paid to be friends with the Structural engineers.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 10, 2019 5:52:21 GMT -5
Steel buildings require a lot of bracing. Steel does well in compression and support but vulnerable to racking. Small cable pulled tight in an 'X' is effective as it gets. You would be surprised how light weight the red iron is. The whole building is designed, cut and welded by computer. Big robots do the cutting and welding. The engineer doesn't have to be overly educated. He basically plugs your desired dimensions into a computer and out comes the drawings and parameters for the robots. Unfortunately, not overly educated engineers and programs that just spit out answers is going to be a problem going forward. I noticed it at the end of my career. Folks ran with the generated numbers and got into trouble. All it takes is one wrong entry, and the resulting value can be off. An experienced, well-trained engineer knows what values should be coming out and can spot mistakes and then go back and check his input. The less than experienced, I want to be "vice-president in a year" don't have time for checking their own work, the computer gave me a number so let's run with it. One of my first tasks out of school was routing Electrical Cable Tray through a Power Plant. This was way before 3D models. You had to look at lots of drawings to find access routes through Steel, Piping, vessels, etc. It was the dang cross bracing that gave me the most trouble. It was easy to miss the vertical and horizontal steel. The dang members at angles not so much. It paid to be friends with the Structural engineers. On-site electricians will be doing the conduits on this building. It is torture to be forced to route conduits using drawings. That sounds like an abusive test for the fresh graduate ! And of all places in a power plant full of structural steel. The computer program this company uses is a powerful one. It appears the engineers did a superb job on designing this program. An example of it's complex ability would be this group of joints it calculated and designed. The beam to the left is the lean-to rafter. The box on top is an 2 foot eave extension(over the lean-to) sitting on a rafter for the building on the right. There is a full length eave extension for the right side building Note the short 8 inch I-beam extension attached to the left side of the column for bringing the lean-to rafter out to the siding plane for access to the lean-to rafter flange bolts. In all a complex connection point with lots of issues to consider, especially having access to the fasteners. There were 2 sets of 4 bolt holes that were specified by 2 engineers. The connection point between the lean-to rafter and the main building. One engineer did the lean-to, another did the main building on right. The bolt holes connecting the 2 buildings did not match lol. They can be seen in the middle of the close up photo with the square galvanized washers I used to cover up the flange slots I had to torch to make the flanges fit together. Conclusion - poor communication between the 2 engineers. I ordered 2 steel buildings. But completely changed the dimensions on both of them three times. They simply plugged the new dimensions into the computer and sent me a tentative design PDF in a few hours. Once the final size buildings were accepted they sent the drawings to their structural engineers to do a human check out. In both cases no changes were required. The darn computer did well.
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Post by 1dave on Nov 10, 2019 9:05:20 GMT -5
Steel buildings require a lot of bracing. Steel does well in compression and support but vulnerable to racking. Small cable pulled tight in an 'X' is effective as it gets. You would be surprised how light weight the red iron is. The whole building is designed, cut and welded by computer. Big robots do the cutting and welding. The engineer doesn't have to be overly educated. He basically plugs your desired dimensions into a computer and out comes the drawings and parameters for the robots. Unfortunately, not overly educated engineers and programs that just spit out answers is going to be a problem going forward. I noticed it at the end of my career. Folks ran with the generated numbers and got into trouble. All it takes is one wrong entry, and the resulting value can be off. An experienced, well-trained engineer knows what values should be coming out and can spot mistakes and then go back and check his input. The less than experienced, I want to be "vice-president in a year" don't have time for checking their own work, the computer gave me a number so let's run with it. One of my first tasks out of school was routing Electrical Cable Tray through a Power Plant. This was way before 3D models. You had to look at lots of drawings to find access routes through Steel, Piping, vessels, etc. It was the dang cross bracing that gave me the most trouble. It was easy to miss the vertical and horizontal steel. The dang members at angles not so much. It paid to be friends with the Structural engineers. I was working construction and at one point I decided I wanted to become an Architect. I told my adviser I had worked on jobs where the drawings had too much stuff jammed into too narrow of a space, that I wanted to work as a tinner etc. so my work wouldn't have those kinds of errors in them. He said "That's daffy! It is the job of the workers out in the field to solve those problems." That is when I decided that profession was not for me.
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Post by mohs on Nov 10, 2019 9:41:10 GMT -5
lunch break!
uh oh
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Post by oregon on Nov 10, 2019 13:49:04 GMT -5
Only one story, no attic or 2nd floor.
so the slab cut out & large wall opening must be for the entrance to the below ground bunker? ie why not a simple rectangular slab?
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