NevadaBill
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Post by NevadaBill on Feb 15, 2021 14:00:18 GMT -5
Mainly asking about Oil saws here; as I just hose down my water based one.
But at the local shop we (mostly) all bring paper towels to shop and clean the insides as good as possible (lid and everything) after we are done using it. I think that this might just be for common courtesy perhaps. But perhaps not.
I am not doing much cleaning of my larger oil rock saw though.
Maybe some of the rock material could contain corrosives? Which if allowed to sit on the metal over time could eat away at the metal or allow it to rust maybe?
I imagine that there can be a range of responses here and I wouldn't mind hearing any response really. All the way from "Wash her? I say let'r rot!" .. all the way to "I drain the tank after every session and get in there with a toothbrush just to make sure she's whistle clean!".
So I wouldn't mind hearing if there is a good reason to at least wipe it down periodically.
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Post by Peruano on Feb 15, 2021 17:48:40 GMT -5
Getting too hung up on a clean saw could ruin the fun or efficiency of the entire discipline. I clean my oil saws when the oil gets so much rock material in it that it starts to 1. stick to and obscure the viewing window; 2. hangs on other vertical surfaces in anything beyond an oily film; and 3. especially for my trim saw in which I use oil as well when it is opaque enough to mask my lines drawn on the stone when I'm cutting it, and tends to climg to the saw table making it a bigger mess and uneven for sliding the rock around. Lighter weight oils tend to allow the sludge to precipitate out with a relatively clean pool of oil floating on top (but the grunge in the bottom is like rubbery paint), where as the heavier oils tend to hold the sludge in suspension but the point of needing cleaning is about the same in my practice. Dirty oil clings to the slabs and thus results in a bit of extra effort in cleaning them. I drain everything on which every saw is not being used that day to recover oil off of the slabs and to reduce the amount carried into the oil dry or soapy water. Waste not, want not.
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NevadaBill
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Post by NevadaBill on Feb 17, 2021 14:42:36 GMT -5
I appreciate the input, Peruano . I got some interesting ideas about how to clean the oil (using a paper bag), but elevating the bag and filling it with sludge. It acts as a filter. Then just throw out the bag. I also use an additive in the oil. I will take your vote for not getting too hung up on having a clean saw though.
The original question probably needs clarifying though. I am less interested in knowing about oil cleanliness or cleaning intervals, and more interested in knowing if having oil/rock spray all over the interior walls of the saw for prolonged periods is a good thing or a bad thing.
I see a lot of old rusted out saws online...
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Post by MsAli on Feb 17, 2021 15:47:38 GMT -5
Just my thinking but, I cant see the it getting rusted due to oil as so much as they could get rusted from sitting outside in the elements.
I have fairly old saw and there isn't any rust on it. It sat inside and the oil wasn't cleaned out very often. I've cleaned it once in the year I've had it and still no rust. It would probably be a completely different story if it was outside.
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pizzano
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Post by pizzano on Feb 17, 2021 16:09:19 GMT -5
After every cutting session.......mine is a 7" mobile water only, easy to break down and store. Rinse off table, guard, pump hose's, water collection pan and guard. Put a light coat of WD40 on blade guard, shaft , lock nuts, flanges and all blades. Ready to go when next session come around....!
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Post by Peruano on Feb 17, 2021 16:37:24 GMT -5
Oil on the interior surfaces of a saw box will protect it from rust and in essence repel water that might condense there (hey there is no humidity in Nevada or New Mexico). Cleaning the surfaces of my hood or sides of the saw tank is the least of my worries, except to facilitate visibility through the plexiglass windows on the side of the hood.
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NevadaBill
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Post by NevadaBill on Feb 20, 2021 18:34:38 GMT -5
Just my thinking but, I cant see the it getting rusted due to oil as so much as they could get rusted from sitting outside in the elements. I have fairly old saw and there isn't any rust on it. It sat inside and the oil wasn't cleaned out very often. I've cleaned it once in the year I've had it and still no rust. It would probably be a completely different story if it was outside. Thank you Ali. Yep, I bet that indoors versus outdoors has a lot to do with this. I see a lot of machines sitting outside when they are offered for sale and such. That makes a lot of sense.
I think I will do a thorough clean out of the walls, vice, perhaps the threaded components and anything else that looks like it needs it when I drain the oil.
I just want to take care of the machine is all.
I appreciate the feedback!
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NevadaBill
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Post by NevadaBill on Feb 20, 2021 18:36:58 GMT -5
After every cutting session.......mine is a 7" mobile water only, easy to break down and store. Rinse off table, guard, pump hose's, water collection pan and guard. Put a light coat of WD40 on blade guard, shaft , lock nuts, flanges and all blades. Ready to go when next session come around....! Long time no hear, Pizzano! I've always appreciated your advice. And actually now that I look at my notes it appears that you were the one who gave me this exact advice on how to maintain my 7" water based trim saw as well.
This is exactly what I do every single time I use it. Takes me about 30 minutes now, but I am happy to do it.
I appreciate your feedback.
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NevadaBill
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Post by NevadaBill on Feb 20, 2021 18:40:22 GMT -5
Oil on the interior surfaces of a saw box will protect it from rust and in essence repel water that might condense there (hey there is no humidity in Nevada or New Mexico). Cleaning the surfaces of my hood or sides of the saw tank is the least of my worries, except to facilitate visibility through the plexiglass windows on the side of the hood. You know, I had not thought about oil itself being a protectant. That makes perfect sense. Because water is the thing that would (in my mind) cause rust more than anything else.
I didn't think this out before or I wouldn't have posted to begin with.
But I really appreciate you sharing your experience here.
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Post by MsAli on Feb 20, 2021 20:27:33 GMT -5
Just my thinking but, I cant see the it getting rusted due to oil as so much as they could get rusted from sitting outside in the elements. I have fairly old saw and there isn't any rust on it. It sat inside and the oil wasn't cleaned out very often. I've cleaned it once in the year I've had it and still no rust. It would probably be a completely different story if it was outside. Thank you Ali. Yep, I bet that indoors versus outdoors has a lot to do with this. I see a lot of machines sitting outside when they are offered for sale and such. That makes a lot of sense.
I think I will do a thorough clean out of the walls, vice, perhaps the threaded components and anything else that looks like it needs it when I drain the oil.
I just want to take care of the machine is all.
I appreciate the feedback!
You are welcome! NDK and I are in your neck of the woods right now. You sure have some beautiful weather right now
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Post by greig on Feb 21, 2021 10:48:50 GMT -5
My two cents. It probably depends on the type of rock being cut. Some of them turn to concrete and become difficult to clean later if allowed to settle for too long (or dry out).
It needs to be cleaned more often if there is a pump, as you don't want the crud affecting the moving parts. If the saw is using water, probably clean it before putting into storage inside to eliminate rock dust getting into the air.
You might want to clean the saw out and pan the heavies, if you have been cutting lots of silver. ;-)
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stillrockinpdx
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Post by stillrockinpdx on Mar 22, 2022 3:12:35 GMT -5
I appreciate the input, Peruano . I got some interesting ideas about how to clean the oil (using a paper bag), but elevating the bag and filling it with sludge. It acts as a filter. Then just throw out the bag. I also use an additive in the oil. I will take your vote for not getting too hung up on having a clean saw though.
The original question probably needs clarifying though. I am less interested in knowing about oil cleanliness or cleaning intervals, and more interested in knowing if having oil/rock spray all over the interior walls of the saw for prolonged periods is a good thing or a bad thing.
I see a lot of old rusted out saws online...
- you mentioned using an additive to your oil. I’m curious as to what additive(s) you put in the oil. I’m looking for an additive that will help keep or will keep the oil misting/vapors that exit my saws when I open the cover after a rock cutting is complete.
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Post by parfive on Mar 22, 2022 14:24:36 GMT -5
- you mentioned using an additive to your oil. I’m curious as to what additive(s) you put in the oil. I’m looking for an additive that will help keep or will keep the oil misting/vapors that exit my saws when I open the cover after a rock cutting is complete. Bardahl No Smoke, any auto parts joint should have it.
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Post by vwfence on Mar 22, 2022 20:37:54 GMT -5
the saws useing oil arent going to rust with the oil left in them what is going to cause rust is the condsendation and moisture from the air and unless left a very long time that is going to be surface rust . If you are worried about rust clean the saw good and wipe it down with prepsol and than spray it with slef etching primer and give it a coat of epoxy paint . I had 4 saws set for over 3 yrs with dirty oil when i got sick and the worst part about getting them back up and running was CHIPPING out the sludge
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