stefan
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Post by stefan on Apr 8, 2021 18:09:21 GMT -5
yes rare earth will work, that's what comes on the CabKing. Makes side Shields a breeze!
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Post by beefjello on Apr 8, 2021 19:06:29 GMT -5
That’s a fine looking set up man, congrats! I know with your eye for stones, and your attention to detail, we’ll be seeing some masterpieces rolling off that rig real soon!
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standles
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Post by standles on Apr 8, 2021 19:34:11 GMT -5
yes rare earth will work, that's what comes on the CabKing. Makes side Shields a breeze! Just tried and no magnets stick to mine rare earth or otherwise. They stick to my "stainless" fridge but not the machine. He even makes a point in a sale vid to point out no magnets stick as testament to true 304 stainless.
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saxplayer
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Post by saxplayer on Apr 8, 2021 21:01:10 GMT -5
yes rare earth will work, that's what comes on the CabKing. Makes side Shields a breeze! Just tried and no magnets stick to mine rare earth or otherwise. They stick to my "stainless" fridge but not the machine. He even makes a point in a sale vid to point out no magnets stick as testament to true 304 stainless. There is a FB group for only the CB8 and they all have rare earth magnets visibly sticking. Might need more "rare" earth magnets
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standles
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Post by standles on Apr 9, 2021 8:16:05 GMT -5
Just tried and no magnets stick to mine rare earth or otherwise. They stick to my "stainless" fridge but not the machine. He even makes a point in a sale vid to point out no magnets stick as testament to true 304 stainless. There is a FB group for only the CB8 and they all have rare earth magnets visibly sticking. Might need more "rare" earth magnets Joined the group (highland park cabbers) to see how they are doing it. My suspicion is they are either gluing one in place (confirmed on one picture/post) or perhaps using one on either side (stls sandwich between two) to hold. Most were using duct tape or bolts to hold in place. I asked for clarification so we will see. Most of the austenitic stainless steels(like SS-304), in fully annealed condition, show no or near zero magnetism. However, when the Aus Stainless Steels, is cold worked or hot worked or welded, some percentage of austenitic structure is changed to martensitic structure. The martensite present in the structure, if it is not annealed, will show slightly magnetic. In it's natural state no matter how rare the rare earth magnet is is cannot stick to non magnetic materials. I did test the magnets at the weld locations and where the material was cold worked (bent in a press) and they do show slightly magnetic but not enough to hold the magnets own weight. Sandwiching one on inside and another on outside does seem to work and would explain why they need rare earth to overcome the non magnetic 304 in the middle. Verified that works but in practice would result in the inside magnet subjected to wet environment and most likely rusting.
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saxplayer
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Post by saxplayer on Apr 9, 2021 16:51:38 GMT -5
There is a FB group for only the CB8 and they all have rare earth magnets visibly sticking. Might need more "rare" earth magnets Joined the group (highland park cabbers) to see how they are doing it. My suspicion is they are either gluing one in place (confirmed on one picture/post) or perhaps using one on either side (stls sandwich between two) to hold. Most were using duct tape or bolts to hold in place. I asked for clarification so we will see. Most of the austenitic stainless steels(like SS-304), in fully annealed condition, show no or near zero magnetism. However, when the Aus Stainless Steels, is cold worked or hot worked or welded, some percentage of austenitic structure is changed to martensitic structure. The martensite present in the structure, if it is not annealed, will show slightly magnetic. In it's natural state no matter how rare the rare earth magnet is is cannot stick to non magnetic materials. I did test the magnets at the weld locations and where the material was cold worked (bent in a press) and they do show slightly magnetic but not enough to hold the magnets own weight. Sandwiching one on inside and another on outside does seem to work and would explain why they need rare earth to overcome the non magnetic 304 in the middle. Verified that works but in practice would result in the inside magnet subjected to wet environment and most likely rusting. Ya, I think they are using one on each side to sandwich.
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Post by Rockindad on Apr 9, 2021 19:39:44 GMT -5
Really interested in your impressions after you use it for a bit as we are in the market. In my opinion, looking from afar, they definitely have produced a superior product in some regards. The unimpressive construction and crappy drain systems I see on many machines leave me scratching my head. I know this machine comes with different spacers for the wheels, I am wondering if there really is the flexibility to change things up as the water delivery utilizes fixed needle valves. Looking forward to your future posts.
Al
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Post by saxplayer on Apr 9, 2021 20:01:03 GMT -5
Really interested in your impressions after you use it for a bit as we are in the market. In my opinion, looking from afar, they definitely have produced a superior product in some regards. The unimpressive construction and crappy drain systems I see on many machines leave me scratching my head. I know this machine comes with different spacers for the wheels, I am wondering if there really is the flexibility to change things up as the water delivery utilizes fixed needle valves. Looking forward to your future posts. Al The spacer options were great. 4 different sizes. Water is probably the weakest point. Of the 6 needle valves, when fully tightened shut one drips very slowly. I’ll see how they function over time.
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Post by As I in does tries! on Apr 9, 2021 21:34:41 GMT -5
Greetings the water valves on the CabKing and my Hans are plastic so if you reside in a hard water area you will need to soften the water first or your valves will be blocked with limescale in no time.
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stefan
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Post by stefan on Apr 10, 2021 8:36:07 GMT -5
I just looked at my cabking. The magnets are glued into a recess on the hood (aluminium) and the side Shields are in no way 304 stainless as they stick with no issues. As for limescale, well it does not matter what the valves are made from as they will all scale up in hard water. I tops in a bit of borax every time I fill my bucket. My last machine ran 15 years using this method and only cleaned the valves once.
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Post by saxplayer on Apr 10, 2021 10:26:59 GMT -5
I just looked at my cabking. The magnets are glued into a recess on the hood (aluminium) and the side Shields are in no way 304 stainless as they stick with no issues. As for limescale, well it does not matter what the valves are made from as they will all scale up in hard water. I tops in a bit of borax every time I fill my bucket. My last machine ran 15 years using this method and only cleaned the valves once. Hmm.. I have plenty of borax. Does borax take hard water and prevent the mineral deposits? I am considering just buying 5 or so gallons of distilled water from the grocery store as it is cheap.
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Post by As I in does tries! on Apr 10, 2021 12:26:16 GMT -5
Unlike me I have never had any limescale as I am in a soft-water area, a teaspoon of borax will prevent hard-water mineral deposits.
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stefan
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Post by stefan on Apr 11, 2021 11:56:48 GMT -5
Not sure on limescale as I have a problem with iron bacteria. Prevents the build up of pink slime for sure!
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Post by Jugglerguy on Apr 11, 2021 13:06:45 GMT -5
Added some further splash protection. What is that that you used to attach the plexiglas (Lexan?) to the metal hood? Looks like it works well. Was the machine getting you wet before you added that?
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Post by saxplayer on Apr 11, 2021 13:44:15 GMT -5
Added some further splash protection. What is that that you used to attach the plexiglas (Lexan?) to the metal hood? Looks like it works well. Was the machine getting you wet before you added that? It seems in their design, they water spigots probably could have been a bit further back. I guess one major downside to a top spigot is the forward wheel motion can throw the water a bit. The cloth piece helps a ton, however there was a small bit of spray that ultimately was getting the arm rest wet over time. I just ordered 12'' plexiglass 3mm thick, and 12'' piano hinges with sticky sides and it was easiest. If I like how this is for awhile, I'll probably re-think a more long term solution with nuts/bolts. For now I didn't want to drill anything through the heavy steel.
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Post by Garage Rocker on Apr 12, 2021 17:17:30 GMT -5
Ah, diving in on a new challenge...
Look forward to seeing the fruits of your labor.
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Post by saxplayer on Apr 12, 2021 17:55:22 GMT -5
Ah, diving in on a new challenge... Look forward to seeing the fruits of your labor. Maybe maybe. Got it mostly to stop my 7” tile saw work lol. Needed a better grinding solution. Didn’t want to spend $ on a 2 wheel arbor and decided to get a full cab machine to do it all.
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