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Post by jamesp on Jan 29, 2022 6:47:52 GMT -5
jamesp Had a thought on the slag composition. there is a guy in Ft. Oglethorpe, GA that does coins and precious metals. He has an XRF gun for testing gold and silver. This XRF handheld is tuned for precious metal but also does a range of other elements. If you can find one close to you this is a 30 second test and could give you an elemental analysis. People that do scrap metal recycling use them for sorting even non-precious metals. Well there is many scrap metal recyclers around Atlanta ! And plenty of street curmudgeons bringing metal in. I'll have to pay a visit to them. I also have a nice metal detector. The site I found this specimen at(it was seen with my eyes, not detected) has an old blacksmith residence about 100 yards away, now long gone. Just a 50 foot deep hand dug well and some soil piles where the house and barns were pushed around by bulldozers. The Teal residence, the Teals told me about their relative that lived there. He smithed a lot. I find lots of his hand forged plow tips, wagon wheel rings, horse shoes close to where his shop must have set using metal detector. But never any slag, as if it were not reactive to a metal detector, so I will have to see if the metal detector senses it...Maybe his smelting area was close to where I found this chunk. These items found at old Teal residence in 30 foot circle say 80 feet from old well with detector. Most are hand forged. And his wife must have been sexy or she wore expensive shoes, found lots of decorative brass shoe sole taps typical of expensive lady's shoes of that era:
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Post by jamesp on Jan 29, 2022 6:59:56 GMT -5
My cousin found one in Maine that I posted about. A magnet sticks to it.
The top side looks just like the top of mine Tela, as if the surface of a melted bowl of metal along with iridescence. The bottom has the same lattice crystallization as rockpickerforever's samples. But yours attracts magnet...
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Post by jamesp on Jan 29, 2022 7:19:27 GMT -5
This looks exactly like my sample Jean rockpickerforever . And yours is above average heavy too. No copper mines here, certain of that. That lattice crystallization is wild. We must be slaggers lol. Slagger - def (don't look up urban definitions) One who is both a slacker and a loligagger Jean's jamesp's jamesp , yes, yours and mine look much alike. I think mine are all iron slag, which I probably did not capture in the wild (rock show/sale, swap meet, garage sale, etc.). I mentioned Swansea, because I remember some slag we picked up there, but not sure where I put it. Copper and iron slag look pretty much alike. I misspoke about Swansea. It is ghost town now, but I should have said it was not aa min. They smelted copper for mines in the surrounding area, it was not actually mined at their location, but the copper ore was brought there to be smelted. Google Swansea in AZ for more info. For grins, I googled composition of slag. Primary composition of both iron and steel slag are Limestone (CaO) and Silica (SiO 2), plus a few other things. Strange that that slag is composed heavily of limestone and silica Jean. I'll have to dig that complicated metal detector(a refresh how to use it !) out and see if it detects this chunk. When I took the angle grinder to it with an alum ox grinding wheel it acted as if grinding a piece of metal colored quartz. Very few sparks and little material removal, Mohs harder than any hard steel I know of. Again, as if grinding quartz with AO wheel. Slag pile at Swansea AZ
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jan 29, 2022 7:31:31 GMT -5
jamesp, I came across another piece of what I think is slag in the rock pile in my front yard. Either that, or possibly a naturally occurring chunk of metal. It is definitely heavy for it's size. It does not have the lattice structures like the other. I just recently took some photos of it, they are still in my camera. Still need to see if a magnet will stick to it. Not for a few hours yet, it is only 4:30am and still pretty dark out!
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Post by jamesp on Jan 29, 2022 11:00:33 GMT -5
jamesp, I came across another piece of what I think is slag in the rock pile in my front yard. Either that, or possibly a naturally occurring chunk of metal. It is definitely heavy for it's size. It does not have the lattice structures like the other. I just recently took some photos of it, they are still in my camera. Still need to see if a magnet will stick to it. Not for a few hours yet, it is only 4:30am and still pretty dark out! Perhaps the photos of it are magnetic. It was 22F and 25mph wind this morning. Deep freeze for this location. Had to winterize stuff yesterday. Can't go outside or death will result. Says 19F tomorrow morning in Atlanta, with no wind and clear sky it may go to 10-15F out here in the sticks. It was probably 75F at your hood.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jan 29, 2022 11:54:18 GMT -5
jamesp , I came across another piece of what I think is slag in the rock pile in my front yard. Either that, or possibly a naturally occurring chunk of metal. It is definitely heavy for it's size. It does not have the lattice structures like the other. I just recently took some photos of it, they are still in my camera. Still need to see if a magnet will stick to it. Not for a few hours yet, it is only 4:30am and still pretty dark out! Perhaps the photos of it are magnetic. It was 22F and 25mph wind this morning. Deep freeze for this location. Had to winterize stuff yesterday. Can't go outside or death will result. Says 19F tomorrow morning in Atlanta, with no wind and clear sky it may go to 10-15F out here in the sticks. It was probably 75F at your hood. James, thats cold! No way I could survive that. It has been colder than average at night, sometimes dipping into the 40s, I think the lowest it got recently here was 37. Have had a few days in mid 70s, but not many. Today the weather guessers are calling for 68. Still have not ventured outside yet...
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Post by jamesp on Jan 29, 2022 12:11:41 GMT -5
Perhaps the photos of it are magnetic. It was 22F and 25mph wind this morning. Deep freeze for this location. Had to winterize stuff yesterday. Can't go outside or death will result. Says 19F tomorrow morning in Atlanta, with no wind and clear sky it may go to 10-15F out here in the sticks. It was probably 75F at your hood. James, thats cold! No way I could survive that. It has been colder than average at night, sometimes dipping into the 40s, I think the lowest it got recently here was 37. Have had a few days in mid 70s, but not many. Today the weather guessers are calling for 68. Still have not ventured outside yet... It's boring. Winter is not the way. I have a jackass customer in New Mexico testing patience. This rarely happens, 98% of customers are fantastic. 1st purchase a few months ago was $2300. Last weeks was another $2300. He spends ! Check it out: -Hey Jim this is Joseph they just tried to deliver the fire pit but they wanted to drop jn the middle of a busy driveway and then he was a serious ass hole. I did not refuse I said bring it back on day that we did not have 6 inches of fresh snow I would contact t he delivery company as he said he was going to return the item +Home delivery is the responsibility of the homeowner. I do not have the authority to schedule that part of the delivery. I hope the delivery goes thru. -Jim thanks for your non helpful response. Pretty sad as this the second one k have bought from you. If they don’t deliver in a manner I can receive it than I will just cancel and call American Express. You are responsible since you hired them. Actually you can keep the fire pit as I do it like to do business with sellers who want zero responsibility +Wow, I am sorry that you see it that way. Please understand that I can not schedule a delivery to a residence if I do not know if the resident is ready for the delivery. The freight company is supposed to set up a delivery time with the consignee. I do not even have the authority to make that decision if I wanted to. I appreciate your business greatly, you have been a great customer. I hope things work out. Jim Somebody must have tinkled in his Wheaties. He may or may not chill, time will tell.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jan 29, 2022 12:40:50 GMT -5
jamesp Wow, what an arrogant SOB! You suppose he thinks he is entitled? What a PIA! Just how can you be held responsible for the delivery in New Mexico? Wonder if he is this way with everyone he does business with? And nasty, too.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 29, 2022 12:52:36 GMT -5
jamesp Wow, what an arrogant SOB! You suppose he thinks he is entitled? What a PIA! Just how can you be held responsible for the delivery in New Mexico? Wonder if he is this way with everyone he does business with? And nasty, too. This one is a PIA. Just words typed on a screen Jean. These situations usually end up being a bluff/steam blow-off. Every once in a while I get burned through. Sounds like he is having a bad day.
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Post by rmf on Jan 30, 2022 8:09:49 GMT -5
Metal detector works on the basis of inducing a current in the metal. The XRF uses x-rays to excite atoms that are then read by a spectometer to determine the exact composition. I would assume that the "slag"/"Ore" you have would be from a blast furnace for making iron. Not a forge. Though they could/would have gone together in the North GA 150years ago. BTW that bottom piece in your Pic ( jamesp) looks like a froe. I also like the mule shoe.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 30, 2022 8:40:39 GMT -5
Metal detector works on the basis of inducing a current in the metal. The XRF uses x-rays to excite atoms that are then read by a spectometer to determine the exact composition. I would assume that the "slag"/"Ore" you have would be from a blast furnace for making iron. Not a forge. Though they could/would have gone together in the North GA 150years ago. BTW that bottom piece in your Pic ( jamesp) looks like a froe. I also like the mule shoe. I understand the spectral analysis rmf. It is similar to a DNA fingerprint analysis and also very accurate. That would solve complete composition for sure. A blast furnace sounds hot. Weren't they big masonry structures like a giant pizza oven ? I know of none standing around here but that doesn't mean they weren't. This area was a substantial trade route 150 years ago with horse drawn ferries crossing the river a mile away. Thanks for the added evidence. I have not removed the rust of that piece yet but I did find a big axe head he must have hand forged. In removing the rust it was clear that he hammered layer after layer around a form. A similar process to making a froe. Lots of mule shoes, Teal was known for plowing with mules. My gravel/rock driveway is an old wagon road and has a good many steel wheel hub rings in it. The tractor drawn scraper pulls them up on occasion. Those go back a good many years.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 30, 2022 9:40:58 GMT -5
James, thats cold! No way I could survive that. It has been colder than average at night, sometimes dipping into the 40s, I think the lowest it got recently here was 37. Have had a few days in mid 70s, but not many. Today the weather guessers are calling for 68. Still have not ventured outside yet... It's boring. Winter is not the way. I have a jackass customer in New Mexico testing patience. This rarely happens, 98% of customers are fantastic. 1st purchase a few months ago was $2300. Last weeks was another $2300. He spends ! Check it out: -Hey Jim this is Joseph they just tried to deliver the fire pit but they wanted to drop jn the middle of a busy driveway and then he was a serious ass hole. I did not refuse I said bring it back on day that we did not have 6 inches of fresh snow I would contact t he delivery company as he said he was going to return the item +Home delivery is the responsibility of the homeowner. I do not have the authority to schedule that part of the delivery. I hope the delivery goes thru. -Jim thanks for your non helpful response. Pretty sad as this the second one k have bought from you. If they don’t deliver in a manner I can receive it than I will just cancel and call American Express. You are responsible since you hired them. Actually you can keep the fire pit as I do it like to do business with sellers who want zero responsibility +Wow, I am sorry that you see it that way. Please understand that I can not schedule a delivery to a residence if I do not know if the resident is ready for the delivery. The freight company is supposed to set up a delivery time with the consignee. I do not even have the authority to make that decision if I wanted to. I appreciate your business greatly, you have been a great customer. I hope things work out. Jim Somebody must have tinkled in his Wheaties. He may or may not chill, time will tell. Dang! I just had flashbacks of some of my worst customers. Sorry you had to deal with that.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 30, 2022 10:01:34 GMT -5
The good ones more than make up for the problem ones Tela rockjunquie. What will will, any worry is not going to make matters better.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 30, 2022 10:02:31 GMT -5
The good ones more than make up for the problem ones Tela rockjunquie . What will will, any worry is not going to make matters better. Good way to look at it. Keeps the blood pressure down.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 30, 2022 11:44:59 GMT -5
The good ones more than make up for the problem ones Tela rockjunquie . What will will, any worry is not going to make matters better. Good way to look at it. Keeps the blood pressure down. Denise really gets jacked at such clients. How about you Tela ? Bet you get after them lol.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 30, 2022 11:48:20 GMT -5
Good way to look at it. Keeps the blood pressure down. Denise really gets jacked at such clients. How about you Tela ? Bet you get after them lol. LOL! Are you suggesting that I have a reputation? No, I'm totally professional to their faces, but I do get worked up later. Mostly, I replay in my head all the things I would LIKE to say.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 31, 2022 8:29:44 GMT -5
Denise really gets jacked at such clients. How about you Tela ? Bet you get after them lol. LOL! Are you suggesting that I have a reputation? No, I'm totally professional to their faces, but I do get worked up later. Mostly, I replay in my head all the things I would LIKE to say. The Japanese found that sending employees into a private room to beat a manican of the boss with a bat resulted in higher productivity. A true look into human psyche lol. In past 7 days: Ingrid in North Carolina has sent 20 convos about product details/questions/delivery when's and where's etc. OMG, more complexity - come to find out the (freight)shipment needs to be sent to her 2nd home in a gated community with no one to sign for the shipment along with a detailed 3 paragraph of shipping details. She clearly paid for curbside delivery and that's it, no they will not carry it to her back porch, no they will not set it in the exact position, no they will not carry the pallet away, no no no. Furthermore I do not have the authority to direct where it goes and when it is delivered as that is the responsibility of the consignee. Sorry Ingrid. Her world will be devastated when she reads my convo describing a humble curbside delivery she paid for. Perhaps she can twist the shipper's arm to get white glove treatment. That is between her and the shipper ! I should suggest she meet the driver in a tiny pink teddy and speak sensually. Many rich folks need to be placed in a basket full of turds for at least an hour so they can understand the life of real people.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 31, 2022 8:35:08 GMT -5
LOL! Are you suggesting that I have a reputation? No, I'm totally professional to their faces, but I do get worked up later. Mostly, I replay in my head all the things I would LIKE to say. The Japanese found that sending employees into a private room to beat a manican of the boss with a bat resulted in higher productivity. In past 7 days: Ingrid in North Carolina has sent 20 convos about product details/questions/delivery when's and where's etc. OMG, more complexity - come to find out the (freight)shipment needs to be sent to her 2nd home in a gated community with no one to sign for the shipment along with a detailed 3 paragraph of shipping details. She clearly paid for curbside delivery and that's it, no they will not carry it to her back porch, no they will not set it in the exact position, no they will not carry the pallet away, no no no. Furthermore I do not have the authority to direct where it goes and when it is delivered as that is the responsibility of the consignee. Her world will be devastated when she reads my convo describing a humble curbside delivery she paid for. Perhaps she can twist the shipper's arm to get white glove treatment. That is between her and the shipper ! I should suggest she meet the driver in a tiny pink teddy and speak sensually. Many rich folks need to be placed in a basket full of turds for at least an hour so they can understand the life of real people. Ugh. PITA.
In my previous jobs, I have always found the very wealthy to be the most demanding, less thankful, lower tipping and price haggling. I guess you don't get rich by spending money.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 31, 2022 9:14:10 GMT -5
The Japanese found that sending employees into a private room to beat a manican of the boss with a bat resulted in higher productivity. In past 7 days: Ingrid in North Carolina has sent 20 convos about product details/questions/delivery when's and where's etc. OMG, more complexity - come to find out the (freight)shipment needs to be sent to her 2nd home in a gated community with no one to sign for the shipment along with a detailed 3 paragraph of shipping details. She clearly paid for curbside delivery and that's it, no they will not carry it to her back porch, no they will not set it in the exact position, no they will not carry the pallet away, no no no. Furthermore I do not have the authority to direct where it goes and when it is delivered as that is the responsibility of the consignee. Her world will be devastated when she reads my convo describing a humble curbside delivery she paid for. Perhaps she can twist the shipper's arm to get white glove treatment. That is between her and the shipper ! I should suggest she meet the driver in a tiny pink teddy and speak sensually. Many rich folks need to be placed in a basket full of turds for at least an hour so they can understand the life of real people. Ugh. PITA. In my previous jobs, I have always found the very wealthy to be the most demanding, less thankful, lower tipping and price haggling. I guess you don't get rich by spending money.
Often is the case Tela. That is a shame. If they can share more (since they usually can) they would probably find a much happier life. Instead they seem to get off on squeezing the last drop out of those in their life. Especially those in their employ.
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Post by rmf on Jan 31, 2022 14:02:36 GMT -5
jamesp should look something like this: www.flickr.com/photos/photojourney57/24198701821Bigger or smaller They loaded them with iron ore, coke (not the liquid or the powder) and limestone. If the furnace was there during the civil war it would have been destroyed to keep the other side from making iron. Lots of history in N. GA.
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