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Post by jamesp on Mar 12, 2022 12:56:21 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Mar 12, 2022 13:16:22 GMT -5
Couple of odd shaped halves glued together for a display twist. It is a shame the polyps are rarely preserved clearly like Indo corals. I was hoping to find a location with well defined polyps. Much of the Fl/Ga coral has stayed underwater and probably never experienced a freeze or violent tectonic conditions. Fractures from freezing and impacts are few and far. Ghost polyps and tubes
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Post by brybry on Mar 12, 2022 13:37:26 GMT -5
I haven't seen a calm/docile moccasin yet!
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Post by jamesp on Mar 12, 2022 13:50:51 GMT -5
Another benefit of being a river rat. Coral made sharp points. These are a few found on the Suwannee. The oldest is the Edgefield at upper left. Not broken but a transitional Paleo knife form. The rivers in Florida were mere creeks at the end of the last ice age when mammoths roamed with man. Ice age era camps are found on the bottom of these rivers. Some have found Paleo points. Hope not to walk up on one of these Paleo guys. Note the coral thumbprint. Coral points are often identifiable by that surface texture. Coral points are found 300 miles away in Atlanta and likely further. Upstream at that and had to be carried verses by raft.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 12, 2022 13:52:06 GMT -5
I haven't seen a calm/docile moccasin yet! Tell it brybry. And lightening fast.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 12, 2022 14:22:01 GMT -5
Limestone shelf overhangs that finally fell into the river after the limestone below them was dissolved away by the tannic acid river water. The coral was anchored or rooted on top of these shelf rocks. This is the Suwannee flowing thru downtown White Springs. Put in at the boat ramp off of HWY 129 on north side of town. Kayak/canoe ride an easy 1/4 to 1/2 mile to these locations. Water flow below 200 cubic feet per second required for collecting. Probably 5 feet deep at the deepest spot. Not sure what age the fossil bearing layer under the shelf limestone is. A few loose corals River bottom ground spring, water 100% drinkable. A hot spot for artifacts. Time to drag the boat upstream. Take a lightweight boat ! Ruins of an old bath house. Flowing spring, be aware of Native man's artifacts including 100+ year old mineral water bottles. Silicified oysters can be beautiful sawn specimens. They could be over a foot long back in those days. Other misc. fossils that I did not pursue and should have.
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Post by RWA3006 on Mar 12, 2022 14:38:15 GMT -5
Enjoying this thread and learning a lot!
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Post by Pat on Mar 12, 2022 15:34:11 GMT -5
Thanks, jamesp. I need this. I have a shelf of coral and want to know more about the individuals. You started my interest, and I thank you! Hmm, and bryozoans!
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Post by jamesp on Mar 12, 2022 16:11:05 GMT -5
Enjoying this thread and learning a lot! Thanks Randy. The coral is a fun rock to find but no comparison to coprolite collecting. I don't know how you can discipline yourself to not collect full time. You are a very fortunate fellow to have such a treasure trove close by. Not to mention the other agates and woods that Utah has to offer. There is a buzz to be had when collecting in a relatively undisturbed fossil rich location.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 12, 2022 16:13:58 GMT -5
Thanks, jamesp. I need this. I have a shelf of coral and want to know more about the individuals. You started my interest, and I thank you! Hmm, and bryozoans! Feel free to post them here Pat. You always liked your sea creatures. Especially the bryozoans. Have you talked with Scott Solar recently ? Last I heard he was moving to Colorado.
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Post by realrockhound on Mar 12, 2022 18:01:32 GMT -5
Would a little Utah horn coral fit in this thread? Thanks to you, now I know exactly where my red material came from haha.
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Post by victor1941 on Mar 12, 2022 18:37:46 GMT -5
James, that was an excellent write-up and description for a great collecting trip. The outdoors is a great place to find quality experiences and a lot of memories.
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Post by RWA3006 on Mar 12, 2022 20:28:49 GMT -5
Would a little Utah horn coral fit in this thread? Thanks to you, now I know exactly where my red material came from haha. That red coral comes from nearby Kamas, Utah and was a collecting hot spot decades ago. It's off limits now days and I was told it's on private property but I don't really know for sure.
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Post by realrockhound on Mar 12, 2022 20:47:35 GMT -5
Thanks to you, now I know exactly where my red material came from haha. That red coral comes from nearby Kamas, Utah and was a collecting hot spot decades ago. It's off limits now days and I was told it's on private property but I don't really know for sure. good to know. I came across a good little supply of it my grandpa left me. Always wondered where it was from.
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Post by perkins17 on Mar 12, 2022 20:51:36 GMT -5
That red coral comes from nearby Kamas, Utah and was a collecting hot spot decades ago. It's off limits now days and I was told it's on private property but I don't really know for sure. good to know. I came across a good little supply of it my grandpa left me. Always wondered where it was from. I have one piece of coral like that that I inherited as well. As others have said, I'm learning a lot here!
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Post by fernwood on Mar 13, 2022 4:46:38 GMT -5
jamesp Does this look like a coral with clam borings? One side and the other. Here’s some more. They are often loaded with oolites. This is the only onee I have found with darker fill material. I have over 100 of these from my land. Thanks.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 13, 2022 7:00:18 GMT -5
Thanks to you, now I know exactly where my red material came from haha. That red coral comes from nearby Kamas, Utah and was a collecting hot spot decades ago. It's off limits now days and I was told it's on private property but I don't really know for sure. good to know. I came across a good little supply of it my grandpa left me. Always wondered where it was from. I have one piece of coral like that that I inherited as well. As others have said, I'm learning a lot here! When looking up details on red horn coral the article mentioned that the famous Kamas, Utah red horn coral site had been shut down(privately purchased lands). Hold on to what you have. It is becoming scarce. Big land ownership is also the trend in the east. An advantage to river collecting...they should remain public lands however the government is starting to levy collecting restrictions on them too. Because they own our navigable waterways ? - no they don't ! Florida is clamping down on collecting on riverine systems because people damage by digging. That's fair. They do issue permits for a small fee for loose fossil hunting permissions of which fossilized coral qualifies. Some hard bottom rivers they allow use of hand tools.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 13, 2022 7:53:52 GMT -5
James, that was an excellent write-up and description for a great collecting trip. The outdoors is a great place to find quality experiences and a lot of memories. The great outdoors is what it is all about Victor and this country has a wealth of pristine wilderness that few people take advantage of. I rarely see another person when covering 10 to 20 miles on these rivers. Very few people use these breathtakingly beautiful resources. The great urban movement has left the great outdoors in peace and available to those that want to enjoy it. The younger generations are starting to get it. They are even producing all kinds of new fandangled off road vehicles and watercraft to reach the outskirts of wilderness. Many are battery operated and don't make a sound.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 13, 2022 7:59:47 GMT -5
I can say this fernwood. Boring clams drill perfectly round holes. Exceptionally round. The terminations of the holes are tapered down cones that come to a sharp point in shape. Some of these holes sure are round and fit the MO. Others far from it. I suggest sawing or windowing with a hammer and look for hints of coral. If that is coral or solidified ocean bottom of some form then assume clam boring activity.
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Post by fernwood on Mar 13, 2022 8:03:13 GMT -5
I can answer this question fernwood . Boring clams drill perfectly round holes. Exceptionally round. The terminations of the holes are tapered down cones that come to a sharp point in shape. So, what do you think these are? Some are round, some not. Some are cone shaped, some not. Thanks.
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