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Post by jamesp on May 4, 2022 18:35:59 GMT -5
Shoot, geology is a whole lot simpler down here than Washington state with all the tectonic and glacial activity you guys have experienced. Way simpler. It would be a breeze to find fossiliferous rocks here after what you guys have to go thru to understand past events. We have some crazy geology up here. My house is built on coarse glacial sand which probably goes down a few miles. We have random float basalt covering almost all of Washington, that sometimes holds silicates. I found potch opal in practically my backyard when they dynamited behind me. We have intense geologically formed area everywhere around, making for some interesting yet tough hounding. Interesting. I'd be lost out there. actually lost here, just lucky ha. You guys have amazing rocks, Mother Nature was good to you.
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Post by jamesp on May 4, 2022 18:52:29 GMT -5
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Post by mohs on May 4, 2022 19:09:07 GMT -5
well that as gneiss as it gets James I would think butte you'll probably top it
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Post by liveoak on May 4, 2022 19:32:50 GMT -5
Forget the tumbling Jim - those would make some nice cabs - beautiful colors.
Patty
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Post by rockbrain on May 5, 2022 0:36:25 GMT -5
Some beautiful stuff. I would be stoked to find any of that!
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Post by jamesp on May 5, 2022 7:36:33 GMT -5
well that as gneiss as it gets James I would think butte you'll probably top it Thanks Edward Why can't us southerners just walk out onto a desert and find petrified wood forests laying on the ground where they were when they were alive right out in the open ? Oh no, over here the old ocean washes the trees into recently well forested camouflaged giant piles along along complex shorelines and over time creeks/rivers wash them back out. Creek/river erosion can flow in any direction and is complicated and covers vast amount of lands that is covered with briars and poison Ivy and nasty critters. Nothing is easy here. Large sedimentary deposits covering miles of forested land with desirable rocks mixed in their contents makes for difficult collecting. Even along the Rio in south Texas higher elevation limestone exposures were almost always peppered with fine local pet wood. The Rio Grande agate/jasper/non-local wood cobbles were washed down from Mexico and about 4 states along with megatons of volcanic ash to form thick layers of caliche. Some deposited caliche had unattractive local rocks/cobbles, some had the fine imported agates from the upstream lava/basalt fields. Figuring out where the elusive imported agate bearing caliche was deposited was the trick. Where the Suwannee River cut thru the occasional 80 to 120 foot elevation hills is where you would find coral. The fossil coral formed at the 90 to 110 foot elevation, when the river eroded the tall hill the coral came tumbling down and fell into the river for us to collect. Once you understand that you can look at a topo map and go straight to the coral everytime. Otherwise it is all covered with forest or sand. IMO, the Rio, south Alabama and the Suwannee sedimentation events happened quickly by huge quantities of deep water carrying boulders, soil, trees and ash. Especially the mass depositions of ash forming thick caliche at the end of the Rio Grande because so many of those upstream agates had to be carved out of hard upstream basalt by tremendous forces. The south stretch of the Rio is an insane rock hunt due to the variety of agates woods jaspers and cherts that all seem rounded by extreme forces. Most of the imported Rio cobbles have half-moon surface fractures related to high speed surface impacts that must be tumbled or ground off. Those half-moon fractures are rarely caused by tumbling down a river at slow velocities in cushioning water.
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Post by jamesp on May 5, 2022 7:38:03 GMT -5
Some beautiful stuff. I would be stoked to find any of that! Thanks, for Georgia and Alabama that is about as good as it gets rockbrain. I have to take what I can get !
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Post by jamesp on May 5, 2022 8:37:04 GMT -5
Forget the tumbling Jim - those would make some nice cabs - beautiful colors. Patty [/quote It is a strange place geologically.
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Post by mohs on May 5, 2022 10:56:11 GMT -5
Excellent Mr.James jamesp Enjoyed can only make some general observation nothing particular to the hunt as mentioned before once resided in Florida It was such a different world from The Sonoran desert world Hard to believe that 2 such diverse Geographic/geological areas Exist on the same continent. Once drove north through Alabama. US 65. On the way to Michigan We were leaving from Ft Eglin, Fl. I took either 29 or 87 out Florida Weaved my way through Alabama to Interstate 65. Brewston, Alabama seems like the route. Whatever back road I was on through Alabama was a trip. How much it different the flora was. At least- that what I recalled. really enjoy it! Sn knott2much to add to the overall discussion. I wasn’t the most geologically observant back then,. Heck I even told the story about owning land in Show Low Az., That land had lots of petrified wood scatted about. Sold that wonderful parcel and never collected any of that wood! Butte that had a happy ending….  Keep on…
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Post by jamesp on May 6, 2022 10:38:50 GMT -5
Excellent Mr.James jamesp Enjoyed can only make some general observation nothing particular to the hunt as mentioned before once resided in Florida It was such a different world from The Sonoran desert world Hard to believe that 2 such diverse Geographic/geological areas Exist on the same continent. Once drove north through Alabama. US 65. On the way to Michigan We were leaving from Ft Eglin, Fl. I took either 29 or 87 out Florida Weaved my way through Alabama to Interstate 65. Brewston, Alabama seems like the route. Whatever back road I was on through Alabama was a trip. How much it different the flora was. At least- that what I recalled. really enjoy it! Sn knott2much to add to the overall discussion. I wasn’t the most geologically observant back then,. Heck I even told the story about owning land in Show Low Az., That land had lots of petrified wood scatted about. Sold that wonderful parcel and never collected any of that wood! Butte that had a happy ending….  Keep on… Two worlds apart Ed. A big country with totally diverse environments no doubt. Add the other types of environments and it is totally diverse. Curious if the wood on the Show Low lot was attractive material. Even though we are covered with vegetation the geology under the vegetation is diverse making creeks, lakes and rivers about the only exposures to the deeper geological structure. Those with fears could experience agoraphobia in open deserts and claustrophobia in thick forests lol. I drove to and stayed in Mclaughlin near Needles Cali for 3 weeks. Drove around and hiked the very open Mojave. In driving back I hit eastern Texas and got motion sickness when driving into the thick forests. For a few days the green foliage and thick vegetation was overwhelming. Dig a 5 to 40 feet hole to limestone bedrock over a 300 mile track from Valdosta to Tampa and you are likely to hit fossilized coral. As it is not 1% of 1% is exposed by rivers and is the only places I get to collect coral. With so little of it exposed it is difficult to know just how pretty some of it may really be. Who knows, it may be the largest expanse of a single type fossil in the entire country. There are probably large expanses of single fossil species out west - massive pet wood forest or coral reef, whatever. Just saying that large flat conditions can be habitats for large fossilizations. Funny thought, a back hoe and a trailer mounted rock crusher could make petrified wood gravel easily on a small budget. The chunks break into small hard pieces easily. Buy or lease an acre of the wood rich land and you would have enough wood to make mucho attractive landscape gravel due to the mix of colors and it's wood like appearance. Find a farmer that wants a pond... Bet you could sell all you produced at a high price.
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Post by jamesp on May 6, 2022 13:11:06 GMT -5
Yesterday wood was collected off a road cut thru the top of the 50 foot deep wood vein @blockhead. The colors and patterns brighter and different to add to the variability. Elevation and soil moisture makes a color difference in silicified fossils and cherts down this way. It never stops. I have four 22 pound barrels each running with samples. Two barrels with tumbles from wet, another from dry soils and two barrels with samples from furthest point east and furthest point west of the occurrence. These were from dry soils picked up out of the road cut, most were split smaller with a hammer. Lighter in color:     Two pots filled with 11 pounds ready for the tumbler. The rough faces look much better after being ground smooth: 
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Post by jamesp on May 6, 2022 13:15:07 GMT -5
This section bought home yesterday reveals fast growth at a 1/4" per annual ring. Solid and dense. 
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Post by jamesp on May 6, 2022 13:22:23 GMT -5
Ran across some individual crinum americanum growing in the wetlands. A spectacular ornamental.
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Post by lparsons on May 6, 2022 13:37:34 GMT -5
Congrats! I would say say something along the lines of what a lucky find but I know luck had nothing to do with it.🤣 I’m glad you shared pics of your gold mine here. I can’t imagine how exciting your find must be! To say they are gorgeous, amazing, etc etc still can’t do them justice…so I’ll simply say, wowwwww and continue to drool!🤣🤣🤣
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Post by jamesp on May 6, 2022 13:58:39 GMT -5
Congrats! I would say say something along the lines of what a lucky find but I know luck had nothing to do with it.🤣 I’m glad you shared pics of your gold mine here. I can’t imagine how exciting your find must be! To say they are gorgeous, amazing, etc etc still can’t do them justice…so I’ll simply say, wowwwww and continue to drool!🤣🤣🤣 I just happened to get out and walk in the woods at the perfect spot. No doubt luck or a blessing was cast ! Some deductions were made but you never know about complexity of geology and the vastness of the location being searched. After rounding the very rough edges for a week in the tumbler the colors and patterns were greatly improved. This stuff breaks with such jagged faces. Glad to make you drool, I seem to be experiencing the same condition. Not sure if it will all be polish-able but don't care. It is interesting to see the variations after being ground down. The prettiest pieces seem to be the outer layer of the large chunks where the weathered and silicified edges vary so much in color and patterns. There are several variations within each chunk that can be targeted when breaking them down. And the chunks are variable.
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Post by rockpickerforever on May 6, 2022 13:59:16 GMT -5
Yesterday wood was collected off a road cut thru the top of the 50 foot deep wood vein @blockhead . The colors and patterns brighter and different to add to the variability. Elevation and soil moisture makes a color difference in silicified fossils and cherts down this way. It never stops. I have four 22 pound barrels each running with samples. Two barrels with tumbles from wet, another from dry soils and two barrels with samples from furthest point east and furthest point west of the occurrence. These were from dry soils picked up out of the road cut, most were split smaller with a hammer. Lighter in color:     Two pots filled with 11 pounds ready for the tumbler. The rough faces look much better after being ground smooth:  Some gorgeous wood there, jamesp . Are you sure you didn't head west to get that? LOL Leave it to you to get right on that and start tumbling. Were it lazy me, it would sit a while and age before I got around to it!
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Post by jamesp on May 6, 2022 14:55:38 GMT -5
This would have been a high vantage point that would be looking down on a large cove.
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Post by jamesp on May 6, 2022 15:10:06 GMT -5
Yesterday wood was collected off a road cut thru the top of the 50 foot deep wood vein @blockhead . The colors and patterns brighter and different to add to the variability. Elevation and soil moisture makes a color difference in silicified fossils and cherts down this way. It never stops. I have four 22 pound barrels each running with samples. Two barrels with tumbles from wet, another from dry soils and two barrels with samples from furthest point east and furthest point west of the occurrence. These were from dry soils picked up out of the road cut, most were split smaller with a hammer. Lighter in color:     Two pots filled with 11 pounds ready for the tumbler. The rough faces look much better after being ground smooth:  Some gorgeous wood there, jamesp . Are you sure you didn't head west to get that? LOL Leave it to you to get right on that and start tumbling. Were it lazy me, it would sit a while and age before I got around to it! If out west I would have had to beg you for a visit ! Thanks for the compliment but it ain't as nice as most west wood IMO. Hey, it's all I got over here ! I even did some tumbling volume and weight reductions when using two larger 8" diameter barrels at higher speed with the super coarse SiC. I usually use the 6" barrels... After a week of hard tumbling the volume reduced 50% but the weight only reduced 25%. I know this because I have 4 staged reduced sized 8"(and 6") barrels 22,18,14 and 12 pounds that I dump the reduced load into(instead of adding more rock). The sharp edges rounded fast and had a big effect on decreasing the volume, not so much on the decreasing the weight. Started with 4-22 pound barrels filled, 2 started last week and two started today. I'll keep each batch separated based on where they were collected. You ain't lazy.
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Post by jamesp on May 6, 2022 15:14:43 GMT -5
This looks like Arizona wood mohs. Is it ? I have not found any wood that looks this nice. Yo, those colors ! a bleeding heart ? 
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Post by mohs on May 6, 2022 15:51:59 GMT -5
Yo James
Yep that pet wood was recovered off the Show LowLand
My Dad’s major rock hound buddy and co-worker at SRP would spend vacation time up there
I just happened to recognize him 5 years later at the AZ Mining Museum Once he discovered I was Remo's son he laughed heartily
told him that I never collected any of the pet wood off the land. Not to fear he did! And promptly got some to me.
I then made that heart for my neighbor in Show Low – Mike. He grew up in Show Low
Him and I were both going through a similar tough situation He helped me get through that- immensely So when I got the wood from my Dad’s Rock’n friend I crafted the heart for Mike
I drove up there- after 7 or so years -knocked on Mike's door He recognized me right away & we picked up right where we left off
He was doing pretty good I hope to see him again Butte it may not be….
Anyway James thanks for the reply Don’t mean to crash your rock hounding W/ mohs nostalgia buuute I really appreciate it
keep on !
Ed
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