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Post by jasoninsd on Sept 24, 2022 0:01:06 GMT -5
No worries khara , I know I found that there is a lot to figure out & it can get somewhat overwhelming. Hopefully, we all get there eventually. Patty.... hoping she does I can't figure out how to start a new comment without quoting someone. liveoak and jasoninsd , When your machines do leak or spray water, how much water is spraying out and about where is it going (left, right)? I'm installing a new electrical outlet on the wall behind my workbench and trying to figure out the best placement for it, or places to avoid if I can. You can hit the reply button at the bottom right, or type your comment in the "Quick Reply" box at the bottom of the thread. Either way will post your comment so you don't have to quote someone. You've got the tagging people down pat! With gaskets in place, I don't see any real significant water anymore. I do get a small amount of leaking on the sides...but I'm talking very minimal - and it's not "spraying" out - just a slight leak. Any "spray" that gets out is usually directed AT me when I'm working. This is generally caused by working the cab's edge horizontally on the wheel. It happens with ANY machine though. I have my machine plugged into a power strip...that's sitting on the floor directly behind the machine. I have zero worries about it getting wet. Of course, if you're putting in a NEW outlet, then I'd have it slightly above machine height so you'll never have any worries. With the "no leaking" on mine, keep in mind that I don't work the cerium pad with the side shield off. I leave it in place and just use a squirt bottle to keep the pad wet. Patty does have a better "mister" installed on her pad, but I've gotten so used to working with the squirt bottle, it doesn't bother me in the least. I do the same thing when I'm working on the flat disk on the left side of the machine (which I don't use as often).
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Post by khara on Sept 24, 2022 1:28:47 GMT -5
jasoninsd “Of course, if you're putting in a NEW outlet, then I'd have it slightly above machine height so you'll never have any worries. With the "no leaking" on mine, keep in mind that I don't work the cerium pad with the side shield off. I leave it in place and just use a squirt bottle to keep the pad wet. Patty does have a better "mister" installed on her pad, but I've gotten so used to working with the squirt bottle, it doesn't bother me in the least. I do the same thing when I'm working on the flat disk on the left side of the machine (which I don't use as often).” This is good input, thanks. My ideal location is actually above the machine as that’s where the plug on the other side of the wall is so this is good news. And I actually thought you were supposed to take the side panels off for the side pads so that’s good to know it can be used either way.👍 Thank you!
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Post by liveoak on Sept 24, 2022 6:10:54 GMT -5
Even when mine was leaking,(thankfully not anymore) my outlet is directly below my bench on the wall, and I didn't have that much leakage for any worry. I do open the side doors & do get a spray out the side (unavoidable) but I have a piece of plexiglass I just installed on the edge of my bench as a "shield" - works pretty good.
One upgrade we did on my unit when I first got it, and if you're comfortable with electricity, I'd recommend it.
My husband wired the pump into the motor switch, so when the motor is switched on/off the pump comes on/off.
Seeing as I'm filling/emptying buckets (clean & dirty), conserving how much water runs is exceptionally nice. I have some photos we took of exactly what Tom did, if you're interested, just let me know.
Patty
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Post by khara on Sept 25, 2022 1:43:40 GMT -5
Even when mine was leaking,(thankfully not anymore) my outlet is directly below my bench on the wall, and I didn't have that much leakage for any worry. I do open the side doors & do get a spray out the side (unavoidable) but I have a piece of plexiglass I just installed on the edge of my bench as a "shield" - works pretty good.
One upgrade we did on my unit when I first got it, and if you're comfortable with electricity, I'd recommend it.
My husband wired the pump into the motor switch, so when the motor is switched on/off the pump comes on/off.
Seeing as I'm filling/emptying buckets (clean & dirty), conserving how much water runs is exceptionally nice. I have some photos we took of exactly what Tom did, if you're interested, just let me know.
Patty
Thanks for the info Patty. Your electrical upgrade sounds really handy actually. I’ll probably be wanting to look into that.
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Post by liveoak on Sept 25, 2022 10:19:34 GMT -5
A couple of people ( khara ) asked about this- so here it is. If you electrocute yourself &/out burn out your motor, I take no responsibility. My husband Tom did this to my cabber before I even used it for the first time.
WARNING: If you are not comfortable doing wiring or electrical work, look no further. I’m sure this modification would likely void your warranty with KN. OTOH- if you are comfortable to do it, it works great Of course, these directions are all assuming the motor is unplugged I know you're not idiots, but I have to say this. Wiring a plug (pigtail) into the motor switch, in order to plug pump into it, so both motor & pump come on and off together at all times. First you need a 3 wire cord (pigtail) with a female socket - this will be the power cord to plug the pump into.
Then you have to unscrew the green ground wire on the motor, to get at the terminals shown, that are behind it. But you have to anyway to attach the pigtail ground to it.
The captions show where the pigtail wires go, to make a powered plug for the pump. You of course, could check the terminals with a multi-meter, switching the motor on and off, and verify which terminals are powered.
The photos are of the motor on my new KN 6 purchased in 12/2021
Did I give enough disclaimers on this ??
These directions work for this motor, but you're on your own.
Patty..... happy to be hauling & dumping less water with this modification
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Post by jasoninsd on Sept 25, 2022 10:39:59 GMT -5
Patty, thanks for posting this! I still haven't done this yet...it's on my "to-do" list! LOL - I might get this done this week.
Your quote: Patty..... happy to be hauling & dumping less water with this modification
If you have your valves shut, it shouldn't be pumping any water through whatsoever. I don't have my valves open if I'm not running the cabber. Do you have them open? If so, why? I thought I had read the pump could handle being "on" without the valves being open due to the type of pump it is...or the way it's constructed.
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Post by liveoak on Sept 25, 2022 10:48:32 GMT -5
No jasoninsd, I'm not leaving all my valves open, that would be plain silly.
However, say I'm grinding & I want to dry off the cab and look at it,
I don't have to think about anything but shutting one switch off & then when I turn that one switch (machine) back on, it's right where I left it.
I don't think it would hurt the pump at all,running with all the valves closed, as long as there is water in the bucket
As I said, I'm not encouraging anyone to do this, I'm just showing what worked for me.
Patty
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Post by jasoninsd on Sept 25, 2022 10:55:39 GMT -5
No jasoninsd , I'm not leaving all my valves open, that would be plain silly.
However, say I'm grinding & I want to dry off the cab and look at it,
I don't have to think about anything but shutting one switch off & then when I turn that one switch (machine) back on, it's right where I left it.
I don't think it would hurt the pump at all,running with all the valves closed, as long as there is water in the bucket
As I said, I'm not encouraging anyone to do this, I'm just showing what worked for me.
Patty
I gotcha now! I just leave the dang thing running when I'm inspecting for scratches...which is why I DO haul/empty more water! LOL (I also have my YouTube playlist running while I'm cabbing - Bluetooth ear protection - and I'm catching myself pausing grinding to watch a Voice audition or something...and leaving it running! LOL) I think it's wicked smart you two came up with this. It makes total sense! I don't particularly like leaving the power running to the pump if I need to walk away for 10-15 minutes...so it just makes total sense to piggy-back it onto the motor.
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Post by khara on Sept 26, 2022 19:09:19 GMT -5
No jasoninsd , I'm not leaving all my valves open, that would be plain silly.
However, say I'm grinding & I want to dry off the cab and look at it,
I don't have to think about anything but shutting one switch off & then when I turn that one switch (machine) back on, it's right where I left it.
I don't think it would hurt the pump at all,running with all the valves closed, as long as there is water in the bucket
As I said, I'm not encouraging anyone to do this, I'm just showing what worked for me.
Patty
I gotcha now! I just leave the dang thing running when I'm inspecting for scratches...which is why I DO haul/empty more water! LOL (I also have my YouTube playlist running while I'm cabbing - Bluetooth ear protection - and I'm catching myself pausing grinding to watch a Voice audition or something...and leaving it running! LOL) I think it's wicked smart you two came up with this. It makes total sense! I don't particularly like leaving the power running to the pump if I need to walk away for 10-15 minutes...so it just makes total sense to piggy-back it onto the motor. I've tried that quick reply button twice now and my post doesn't appear. Unless it's going somewhere else... Anyway, jasoninsd I am looking at the KN specs and it shows the water pump as 660 gallons per hour. Wouldn't this mean that a 5 gallon bucket would have to be dumped every 4 1/2 minutes? Is this for real? Or am I calc-ing this wrong?
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Post by liveoak on Sept 26, 2022 19:35:27 GMT -5
I've tried that quick reply button twice now and my post doesn't appear. Unless it's going somewhere else... Anyway, jasoninsd I am looking at the KN specs and it shows the water pump as 660 gallons per hour. Wouldn't this mean that a 5 gallon bucket would have to be dumped every 4 1/2 minutes? Is this for real? Or am I calc-ing this wrong? Pumps like that are rated wide open with no restrictions & no plumbing, with the little tubing and the valves on the KN, the water just flows over the wheels, in a stream. I've found that for me, depending on how long I work the wheels, a full bucket lasts me a couple hour session - sometimes there's a refill in there, but definitely NOT every 4 1/2 min- that's just silly
Patty
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Post by khara on Sept 26, 2022 19:48:06 GMT -5
I've tried that quick reply button twice now and my post doesn't appear. Unless it's going somewhere else... Anyway, jasoninsd I am looking at the KN specs and it shows the water pump as 660 gallons per hour. Wouldn't this mean that a 5 gallon bucket would have to be dumped every 4 1/2 minutes? Is this for real? Or am I calc-ing this wrong? Pumps like that are rated wide open with no restrictions & no plumbing, with the little tubing and the valves on the KN, the water just flows over the wheels, in a stream. I've found that for me, depending on how long I work the wheels, a full bucket lasts me a couple hour session - sometimes there's a refill in there, but definitely NOT every 4 1/2 min- that's just silly
Patty
Oh thank God! Yes, it would be plain silly. But I've been amazed at the plain silliness I've seen lately. Anyway, a two hour session sounds reasonable. Thank you!
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Post by jasoninsd on Sept 26, 2022 20:48:15 GMT -5
I gotcha now! I just leave the dang thing running when I'm inspecting for scratches...which is why I DO haul/empty more water! LOL (I also have my YouTube playlist running while I'm cabbing - Bluetooth ear protection - and I'm catching myself pausing grinding to watch a Voice audition or something...and leaving it running! LOL) I think it's wicked smart you two came up with this. It makes total sense! I don't particularly like leaving the power running to the pump if I need to walk away for 10-15 minutes...so it just makes total sense to piggy-back it onto the motor. I've tried that quick reply button twice now and my post doesn't appear. Unless it's going somewhere else... Anyway, jasoninsd I am looking at the KN specs and it shows the water pump as 660 gallons per hour. Wouldn't this mean that a 5 gallon bucket would have to be dumped every 4 1/2 minutes? Is this for real? Or am I calc-ing this wrong? Interesting on the Quick Reply... Patty answered this. I've got mine draining into a 4 gallon bucket. Honestly, it takes me days before I have to empty the bucket. I have to keep an eye on the fresh water bucket with the pump. I've never let it run dry, but I've been close a couple times when I was focusing too hard on the cabs themselves! LOL
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Sept 26, 2022 21:09:54 GMT -5
khara did you click the Reply button after you typed? ETA: Then you have to click the Create Post button after that. I had to test it. I've never used the Quick Reply before.
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Post by khara on Sept 26, 2022 21:30:58 GMT -5
khara did you click the Reply button after you typed? ETA: Then you have to click the Create Post button after that. I had to test it. I've never used the Quick Reply before. Well, I think so… I’ll try again next time I don’t want to quote someone.
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Post by khara on Sept 26, 2022 21:31:11 GMT -5
khara did you click the Reply button after you typed? ETA: Then you have to click the Create Post button after that. I had to test it. I've never used the Quick Reply before. Well, I think so… I’ll try again next time I don’t want to quote someone.
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Sept 26, 2022 21:34:50 GMT -5
khara did you click the Reply button after you typed? ETA: Then you have to click the Create Post button after that. I had to test it. I've never used the Quick Reply before. Well, I think so… I’ll try again next time I don’t want to quote someone. It doesn't appear to be any quicker to me.
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Post by liveoak on Sept 27, 2022 6:13:10 GMT -5
khara ,I've done it numerous times, I type in the white box under quick reply and then mistakenly hit the button on the top right that says "rely" . When you hit that button, it takes you to a new blue page with your post. BUT it's still not posted, until you hit the "create post" at the bottom of this new page.
The original white box for " quick reply" has no fancy features and if you want to do a quick answer to someone without photos or smiles or such, you can type in that white box and then hit the button on the bottom left that says "post quick reply".
Here's the thing to watch so you know your post actually posts, after you hit either the "post quick reply" OR the "create post" button, the page reloads and shows you your post. If it doesn't show you your post, you goofed & it hasn't posted.
There should be an annoying noise that sounds & says "Try again"
Patty
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Post by liveoak on Sept 27, 2022 6:21:47 GMT -5
I've got mine draining into a 4 gallon bucket. Honestly, it takes me days before I have to empty the bucket. I have to keep an eye on the fresh water bucket with the pump. I've never let it run dry, but I've been close a couple times when I was focusing too hard on the cabs themselves! LOL I think I'm paranoid of having a water mess all over the wood floor, but I always fill & empty both buckets at the same time, this way I know the dirty one isn't going to flow over. I have more a fear of that then the clean one going empty, as at least that one is going to make a pump noise & alert me.
BTW- I've had aquarium pumps suck air many times, and a quick gulp of air doesn't kill the pump, at least it hasn't for me over the years.
You just wouldn't want to leave it running without water.
The other thing I do as a routine, is when I'm done on the wheels for the day/night, if the clean bucket is less than 1/2 full , I fill it back up & empty the dirty one.
I found that I dislike going in to work on the machine & have to start by hauling/dumping water.
So I do it at the end of a session so it's ready to roll - but maybe I'm just anal about it (probably).
Patty
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Post by jasoninsd on Sept 27, 2022 8:37:16 GMT -5
I've got mine draining into a 4 gallon bucket. Honestly, it takes me days before I have to empty the bucket. I have to keep an eye on the fresh water bucket with the pump. I've never let it run dry, but I've been close a couple times when I was focusing too hard on the cabs themselves! LOL I think I'm paranoid of having a water mess all over the wood floor, but I always fill & empty both buckets at the same time, this way I know the dirty one isn't going to flow over. I have more a fear of that then the clean one going empty, as at least that one is going to make a pump noise & alert me.
BTW- I've had aquarium pumps suck air many times, and a quick gulp of air doesn't kill the pump, at least it hasn't for me over the years.
You just wouldn't want to leave it running without water.
The other thing I do as a routine, is when I'm done on the wheels for the day/night, if the clean bucket is less than 1/2 full , I fill it back up & empty the dirty one.
I found that I dislike going in to work on the machine & have to start by hauling/dumping water.
So I do it at the end of a session so it's ready to roll - but maybe I'm just anal about it (probably).
Patty
I have "procured" a gallon pitcher from my wife's kitchen (yes...it's HER kitchen! LOL). Usually when I'm done cabbing...I'm DONE...so it doesn't bother me to have to start the next time with filling the clean water bucket. If I know I'm going to have to start that way, I put the pitcher in my chair so I see it and won't forget to fill it the next time. LOL
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Post by khara on Oct 18, 2022 16:23:13 GMT -5
That’s a nice upgrade. I’ve never used a precharged polishing pad, but I notice that it’s pretty easy to wash off the polishing compound on my leather end pads. A fine spray with an on/off valve should work really well. Those precharged pads work pretty darn well in my opinion. I'm on my third one now. I'm guesstimating they last through approximately 200 cabs...or thereabouts. I probably could've changed mine sooner than I did. I got mine from eBay. They're listed as 3M Polishing Film. Cerium Oxide. 0.5micron. (50 pack) 6"x6". Jason, did you just attach these to the side flat lap that came with your machine, on the foam backing that was already there? Did you remove the original pre-charged pad? Did you use up your original pad and got these to replace it or were you looking for an upgrade?
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