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Post by docone31 on Jan 6, 2005 22:34:43 GMT -5
Hey guys. Banjocreek is looking for my tutorial in wire wrapping Fire and Rain. I looked in search and couldn't find it for him. We need help from the 'puter literates here. Other wise I will have to write a new one. I put a lot into that tutorial and no one wanted to try.
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Post by sandsman1 on Jan 6, 2005 23:09:45 GMT -5
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Post by docone31 on Jan 6, 2005 23:19:54 GMT -5
Sands, you da man!!!!! I looked, and looked, and looked. Thanks brudda, Banjo wants to give it a go. If he follows through the way he has been, we will have something to see. Banjo is a student a teacher hopes for.
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Post by Banjocreek on Jan 6, 2005 23:41:14 GMT -5
Thanks John- You need to find me the Photos now ;D I am thinking this might be that piece with the shape sort of like a treble clef and a stone mounted in the bottom half, if my memory serves me right. Thanks Doc, I gotta get some .025 ga. since all I been using is .020. and I don't even know if the shop has .032, but I'll find out. I'm just lucky enough to have a shop nearby that carries most everything I have ever asked for, and they give good advice too. I'll keep in touch.
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Post by docone31 on Jan 6, 2005 23:44:48 GMT -5
Banjo, never order by guage. The Handy and Harmon specs allow a 10% variance in guage. Always order by .001. To do a five wire wrap, with two twisted, you will need about 12t. You can substitute twisted 1/2hrd for the 1/2rd. I'll talk you through, you take the pictures.
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Post by Banjocreek on Jan 6, 2005 23:51:00 GMT -5
Did you conclude that lesson? Is Tami's tutorial on wire wrapping is similiar to mine. Both can be used and some parts help explain others. Thanks for the photos Tom. It will help the others where I have to just describe. the end of the session, or do I have to get this far and let you know?
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Post by Cher on Jan 7, 2005 12:37:08 GMT -5
Was there a link to Tami's tutorial?
Cher
PS ... I'm copying Doc's tutorial and saving it to be sure it doesn't get lost.
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Post by docone31 on Jan 7, 2005 19:24:01 GMT -5
When you get that far, I will see the work, and help you finish it off. Each person who does it will end up with a different ending.
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Post by llanago on Jan 8, 2005 8:25:40 GMT -5
doc, I am definitely interested! Am reading what you post and have saved it on my HD and will update with each new post. I just haven't had the time to sit down and try to follow your instructions. Also, don't have the wire. But I guess I could use other size wire to practice with, huh? llana
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Post by creativeminded on Jan 8, 2005 13:17:18 GMT -5
I don't have a tutorial on wire wrapping I just tell people to use the wire they feel comfortable with and let the stone, your own electrical energy and the wire go with the flow. Don't try to force the wire in a direction that it doesn't want to go, you will get and angle that you don't like. I personally like alot of swirls on mine because it reminds me of cloud, water and vine swirls. Another thing I can't say enough is be relaxed when you work on your wrappings.
Tami
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Post by Banjocreek on Jan 10, 2005 23:21:22 GMT -5
Doc!- How thick should the edge, lip, or girdle be on this cab I am creating to wrap? As thick as the 5 wires? What shape and size should it end up as? Thanks
Michael
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Post by docone31 on Jan 10, 2005 23:27:23 GMT -5
I like the edges Sandsman does. They meet in a point in the center of the thickness of the edge. Because the edge will taper, it is not that critical to taper the edge. It should end in a fairly sharp point. If five wires are going to be used, It should be as thick as three wires, perhaps a little more. If it is as thick as five wires, it will recquire the wires to be stretched on the design, rather than forming them.
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Post by Banjocreek on Jan 11, 2005 2:54:37 GMT -5
Am I going to be alright with a flat back and curved back rounded edges or is this a good time to finish them to a point, which I will do, because at this time I only have the surface done and the shape ground out. I CAN put 45 degree edges all the way around if this indeed will make it easier.
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Post by docone31 on Jan 11, 2005 9:38:17 GMT -5
When a person cuts a stone to wrap, optimally, the girdle should be flat, and the thickness of the wires that will be the boundry. It would be good to have the back, flat with the girdle, and the top/crown blending fron the thickness of the boundry wires to the top plane. The top and bottom wires go over the stone, the boundry wires go around.
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Post by Banjocreek on Jan 11, 2005 11:50:17 GMT -5
Ok-got it. I'll shot you a picture of it as soon as it is done and put in some sort of object to give you an idea of the size. Thanks for the help. BTW- I was surprised to find that many of the lapidaries I talked to at the show use super glue gel and wood screws. Thanks!
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Post by docone31 on Jan 11, 2005 12:08:56 GMT -5
Ok, I give. What the heck do they do with the wood screws? CA I understand. I use it for faceting on certain stones. By the way, using sodium bicarbonate helps CA when it seems to not stick.
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Post by Banjocreek on Jan 12, 2005 23:00:55 GMT -5
Woodscrews get glued onto the stone. Glue as many screws to stones as you want to work on. Let them all sit overnight or a coupla hours, then, The wood screw, screws into a wooden dowel. When finished the wood screw and stone spend the night in Acetone, or whatever, MK? Flathead woodscrews, not phillips head so solvent can break down CA. Now for the start I am trying to make here. Since I have not had the fortune to win any cabs from John or Krazy, I've had to resort to trying to do my own. Now the part about the edges for wrapping. The one on the left I show has a rounded edge to a flat back. The one on the right has a semicircle edge with a flat back. Since I am at the very begining with this Fire & Ice tutorial.. Master: #1- Which of these should I chose and why? #2- Should I have totally done the outside edge differently, and how would that be? Thanks Doc- I got the wire yesterday and I'm about ready to commence the "Fire and Ice Project". Next, I will post a picture of my starting wires bound. I feel like I'm at the brink of something big here.
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Post by docone31 on Jan 12, 2005 23:21:44 GMT -5
I understand dopping with flat head machine screws. I wonder why the wood is added. I would use a thicker dop with the flat head just touching the outside border. Hmmmm. I would go with the stone on the right for wrapping. It is larger, and the centerline of the girdle is good for wrapping stones. When you twist the wire, make sure you make one right handed, one left handed. When they are in the bundle it looks finished with the wraps going against each other. Try dopping machine screws rather than wood screws and wood dowels. I do like the dop wax technique better than cold setting. I can put my stone in the freezer for five minutes and the entire stone pops off. I also can check my grinding heat. If the stone gets loose, I am getting too hot. A lot of stones are heat sensitive.
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Post by Banjocreek on Jan 12, 2005 23:56:18 GMT -5
Evidently they just have a bunch of stones glued to screws and then screw into a 1/2 inch dowel about 6" long. Work on one, unscrew it and screw in a different one.
I hope to have a photo of my actual wire progress tomorrow. Time flies in the wonderful world of rocks.
Another Rock and Mineral show coming to town this weekend too. Tempe Arizona. I learned alot at the last one, and now I'm having more questions, but more enthusiasm as well. Thanks Doc
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Post by creativeminded on Jan 13, 2005 10:17:32 GMT -5
I would do something like this on both of them. I would use either 2 wires or 3 wires like what is in the picture. Tami
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