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Post by Original Admin on Feb 7, 2008 17:02:45 GMT -5
"That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs." I put it to you that you wouldnt see a cent back. Tax would remain the same and go into the coffers. Edog - you wouldnt get a friggin bean of a share of the savings mate. Youre best bet is to not bother voting for anyone, and keeping as much of the cash you can to yourself. Same as over here.
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Post by earthdog on Feb 7, 2008 23:18:19 GMT -5
But Mark, the taxes might go for better things such as better roads, better city streets less toll roads and things of that nature. Maybe it could go into research for a renewable fuel source or even go for curing cancer. I know, I'm only dreaming.. I'll just go live in the woods somewhere and be a hermit. That way I won't have to deal with it all. No that won't work either, big brother would still find me and bust me for killing to many deer or not having the right permit for something.
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Post by sandsman1 on Feb 8, 2008 0:36:33 GMT -5
your right mark we wont see any of the money but maybe we wont have to tell our ss that they can eather buy food or the meds they need to stay alive -- that gets me the most outta all this shit if your an illeagl you can walk in without any id and get money food stamps and medical -- if your a ss that has paid taxs all there lives asks for more help they get told theres no more money sorry you will have to fig it out we cant help you -- maybe if we wherent handing out money like its candy to people that are here as criminals then there would be more for the people that have paid there dues all ther lives and are upstanding americans -- i think thats the worst part of the whole illeagle deal
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Post by MidNight~Rocksi3 on Feb 8, 2008 1:40:13 GMT -5
Sands.. have you ever applied for fooders or for welfare? even tho you're getting income from SS you might be eligible yourself.. and then you'd get to get SOOO far ahead of the game by the time you come out here to hunt rocks You'll be Pimpin an Escalade and wearing so much Bling that you'll blind the other drivers... LOL
*smiles*
Apply.. you never know.. maybe they are on to something ... can't beat em.. Join em!
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Post by chassroc on Feb 8, 2008 13:05:03 GMT -5
I'm probably responding inapproprietely to something...but
Well I'm not sure how this thread started, but this caught my eye: Mark said "Youre best bet is to not bother voting for anyone " and that just seemed wrong to me.
We are always disappointed when our Politicians disappoint but I think we must share the blame with unrealistic expectations and non involvement. As we are in the middle of a campaign in the USA that will cilminate in a new regime this November. i cannot help but think there is a fundamental problem with Congress that actually has a very simple fix. I believe that term limits are the only possible fix for the system!
I truly believe that our politicians are some of the savviest, kindest, most generous and well meaning souls on this Earth. They have chosen public service as a career and although some are bad, most are noble...however, once elected, their goal is getting re-elected. How do you get re-elected? 1) Spout non-sensical rhetoric that the public wants to hear. 2) Insist on fixes for problem that are simple and requires no sacrifice from anyone. 3) Pass the pork to whomever bankrolled your campaign. 4) Never speak in complex terms or admit that there are many points of view and many solutions to every issue. 5) take the heat off of the big criminals who steal billions off the people by getting tax breaks and laws that favor them (such as the savings and loan fiasco of a few years ago), by heaping blame on things that people actually can understand like someone who steals a thousand dollars through welfare fraud.
If a Politician knew this was his last term, he would be much more likely to do what's right, than to do what is more likely to be perceived as right
csroc
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Post by Titania on Feb 8, 2008 13:15:55 GMT -5
Living in a state that has Ted Kennedy (why, OH WHY can't that man drop dead!) as a congressman, I can wholeheartedly support term limits.
That being said, as a libertarian, I also cannot, in any kind of good conscience, vote for anyone this November. I believe South Park said it best...it's a choice between a "giant douche" or a "turd sandwich".
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Post by sandsman1 on Feb 8, 2008 13:27:26 GMT -5
haha titania too dam funny the guy i was gonna vote for was romney he at least said he would close the borders and ship home all the illegals and he was forced to quit cause he may have got it done and the gov dont want them to go home there makin to much money -- ted kennedy should have been shut out after drowning that girl in his car
roxy all im gonna say is i wouldnt apply for anything else if i could or not then id be just like the mexicans that are stealing the food off our seniors tables even though i paid taxs
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Post by MidNight~Rocksi3 on Feb 8, 2008 13:53:21 GMT -5
lol... Well I understand.. but the money for welfare and the money for the elderly are from what I believe two seperate funds.. Anyways.. I still think don't think it's that easy to get welfare without a birth certificate and ID.. And SS# so how they manage to get by some pretty educated people while filling out forms and proving citizenship is beyond me... guess you'd need to kick the ones allowing them to get assistance..
Titania I agree with you 100% about the choices LOL.. crazy.. But I do agree with Chass when he said " take the heat off of the big criminals who steal billions off the people by getting tax breaks and laws that favor them (such as the savings and loan fiasco of a few years ago), by heaping blame on things that people actually can understand like someone who steals a thousand dollars through welfare fraud."
that's exactally what I think this whole campaign is .. more like a smoke screen for the real Criminals you just wouldn't think they wear suits and ties... and speak english.... lol But I'm hoping one day they will all be exposed Too.. and then Let's see if they still believe in upholding the law ...
By the way... is it just me or does anyone else think Obama.. and Osama are in the same brotherhood? LOL
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Post by earthdog on Feb 8, 2008 15:14:29 GMT -5
Wow! Takila works in child support and sees it everyday. She works right along side with the economic support (welfare) workers. Takila can check the economic support any time. All they have to do is go to the Spanish center and get a certian type of SSI number that lets taxes be taken out of their wage, if they work for a wage instead of cash. Thats the first sign that they are illegal. You wouldn't believe how many people Takila pulls up that when she does some digging, their SSI number comes back to some old American living in another state. It's not very hard for them to buy an fake drivers license or birth cert. for $3/5 hundred dollars. The bad part is even though child support and economic support workers know the person is illegal they can't turn them in or do anything about it because of confidentiality laws and could be fired themselves. That my friend is Homeland security at it's best. It is harder to get unemployment than it is to get assistance from welfare.
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Post by MidNight~Rocksi3 on Feb 8, 2008 21:19:20 GMT -5
Well then Right there should tell you who's to blame...... Why does the Govt. Fight to keep That crime hidden? If they know they are illegal with a fake SS# and that is a FEDERAL offense To Steal another's Identity, Why do they make it so they can't turn them in? Confidential or not.. That's Fraud...
And Just like the Cops aren't allowed to turn them in either if they get a call on an illegal alien.. makes one wonder why the Govt. insists on protecting them.... So who's to blame? Sure ain't them.. they are only doing what they are being ALLOWED to do.... and just because now they are posing a threat of 4 to 1 ... Now all of a sudden They are the reason for America's down ward spiral..?
I'd check first with the ones who made those laws a Law...ask them why ... I'm sure the answer isn't what you'll want to hear.. And maybe there is a reason they Keep America on a Need to know Basis..
OBTW.. As Takila about this....cuz now I'm curious....I thought you were suppose to fill out a form that says... that you swear everything you state on the forms is true.. and if anyone is in violation of their contracts will be Turned in and prosecuted... and their benifits will cease..... That's a mandatory form they are suppose to sign.. ON ALL Federal Forms.... Isn't that the loop hole they are suppose to be able to use in case of such a thing ?
Fraud... Misrepresentation? .. I'm almost certain that form is in there.. But if it isn't .. then once again.. they leave their own back door wide open for fraud and mishandling of our Govt's money...
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Post by mike4bears on Feb 8, 2008 21:29:36 GMT -5
hey you want to stop them. then quit hiring them. and pay a fair wage to the ones who are citizen's
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Post by bobby1 on Feb 9, 2008 0:19:44 GMT -5
His full name is Barak Hussein Obama. Hmmmmm. If you give a fake SS number and you sign the form swearing that it is yours that is a felony! Obviously in many cases the employer and the employee (illegal immigrant) are contributing part of their wages to the Social Security Trust Fund (Trust? ?) where does that money really go? The illegals don't stick around to collect on it. OH! I forgot! The money really doesn't go into the "trust" fund it goes into the general fund to continue our massive deficit spending! Its been that way ever since Reagan tripled out social security withholding rates. Bob
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Post by earthdog on Feb 9, 2008 1:18:32 GMT -5
Thats what I keep asking. In child support everything is confidential when there is a kid involved. I say it shouldn't matter. The welfare workers are a bunch of bleeding heart turds! They don't do anything more than they have to. They would have to do extra work to bust someone and get them off welfare. We have tried to turn in a couple different families that lived next door, they rented and frauded welfare really bad. My wife emailed and talked to their case workers to their face and still they didn't do anything. It's sad, very sad indeed.
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Post by MidNight~Rocksi3 on Feb 9, 2008 1:29:05 GMT -5
That's why I keep saying ... the Campaign against the Illegals isn't the REAL Problem... everyone is pointing at them.. But in reality.. its our very own leaders that are behind the real problems...... They are just bait.. something to take the eye off them...
Just turning the illegals will not do anything... if anything Turn in their caseworker.. Turn the Welfare agency in that county in... they all have to answer to somebody... And if they aren't doing their job.. Then they are the problem.. Not the mexicans.. They are only trying to survive.. and I honestly don't blame them for trying.. when it comes down to it.. and you're in a desperate situation.. You'll do just about anything to provide for your family.. Including Fraud or crossing over illegally.. it's just a matter of time.... sooner or later.. when the Heat really comes down.. You're not going to like what you see when you back a people up against a wall and try and force them to go back to what they had if they are having it better.. it's like feeding lions Steak and then trying to take it away and make them eat grass.... sooner or later.. You will be their next meal.... so I think there has to be a better solution than just putting them all on a bus and shipping them back..
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Post by sandsman1 on Feb 9, 2008 2:15:32 GMT -5
roxy your crackin me up now you realy think a buncha wet backs no matter how many will over throw america --- the russians couldent doit and they had nuclear weapons-- they would be wiped out in a matter of weeks when the army steps in hahaha -- im bettin when it gets too bad no matter what the gov says there gonna start disapearin because the american people arent gonna sit around forever and take it just like you said when ya back them up against the wall thats when the civil war will break out and all the crooked people in power will disapear along with them -- its been done befor and im sure once the leagal people in the US have had there fill of being misrepresented and the right person says its on -- things will change i cant tell ya how long it will take but its just a matter of time i havent talked to to many people who think we are gettin a fair shake we pay all the taxs and they get all the benifits the fastest way to start a fight is to reach in someones pockets and more and more people are startin to get the truth and its startin to sink in
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Post by MidNight~Rocksi3 on Feb 9, 2008 3:00:01 GMT -5
LOL... Who said anything about them overthrowing America? them so called "wetbacks" Aren't as stupid as you may like to think.... I'm just saying.. I think it's going to cause more problems..Like MORE Violence.. That's all..
And yeah I can honestly see how America would go about making them all disappear.. After all They have finally found a way to eliminate the Native Americans... I mean sure the Govt may have the means.. and they are sneaky I will say that.. And two faced.. And is probably the Most violent when it comes to War...
I have No doubt about it that America would win in a Battle against them... That's a given.. But Why spread the Hate.. it's already here in America.. Why Go backwards.. Those Days I thought were finally over.. well on their way ..
When are people going to wise up... No matter what color you are on the outside.. When you get shot with a 32 in back of the head when you're not looking.. Guess what.. You Die just like them... We all gonna Die.. We all gonna still be stuck with one another on the other side.. I'm guessing Hell ain't so bad after all.. least there I know who my enemies are.. ya know what I mean?
Life is short.... Death is the easy part of it... Living and Loving Life is the hard part..
Why waste it hating someone elses life.. I don't get it..
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Post by earthdog on Feb 9, 2008 13:17:03 GMT -5
Wrong, it's a huge problem!
Wrong again, it'll do alot for our country.
Have you been drinking the firewater again? You are goofy.
I sorta believe they will by breeding everyone out.
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Post by MidNight~Rocksi3 on Feb 9, 2008 14:29:24 GMT -5
LOL .... yeah that's it.. too much fire water..... Or lack of it.. Cuz as of right now.. I just realized you've either fell off that bike one to many times.. ..B.. The Generation Gap has clearly set you in your ways and there is no reasoning with you... or C... if I wanted to really understand your point of view...... I'd have to stick my head up your ass just to see where you're comin from.. ... And just ain't feeling it's gonna be worth it.. LOL
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Post by Bikerrandy on Feb 9, 2008 15:27:14 GMT -5
Fire water.... Hmmmm..... have you tried mixing milk with it? ;D
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Post by Original Admin on Feb 9, 2008 15:55:36 GMT -5
All, The only way to get shut of all the shit is to earn sooooo much cash that you get to the stage that you couldnt give a flying f*** about it anymore. This doesnt mean you have to be a gazillionaire or something - it just means you need this. No mortgage Dont vote Enough in the back for your elder years Live in a relatively crime free area But I tell you this - if you vote, then you have been SERIOUSLY CONDITIONED and BRAINWASHED into doing that and actually SUPPORTING THOSE WHO SEEK ONLY TO SUPPRESS YOU AND MAKE A LIVING FROM YOU. A government is just a puppet of cash. So why not be one yourself and go get some? ?
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