SteveHolmes
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Post by SteveHolmes on Dec 20, 2008 14:21:12 GMT -5
I have officially given up dopping stones. At least throughout the Winter. I get my cabs dopped and not longer than a few minutes they pop off. I'm thinking the water gets very cold and the temps out in the shed don't help either. The last time I cabbed...it got me really upset the stone falling off the dop...so I decided to use superglue. My gosh...the stones stayed on and my temperment was so much nicer! ;D So..I've read that acetone will take the superglue off. Is this the best way to get the glue off? I don't want it to affect the polish..so I'm double checking before I try anything. THANKS! Steve
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Post by texaswoodie on Dec 20, 2008 15:41:06 GMT -5
Yup Steve, they make a solvent especially for that but acetone is cheaper. Won't hurt the finish at all on agates, jaspers and such. Don't know about any of the others. You can also put it in the freezer and then scrape it off with a knife.
Curt
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Post by johnjsgems on Dec 20, 2008 15:58:44 GMT -5
Starbond used to say use fingernail polish remover containing acetone. They now market a debonder gel and I don't find the polish remover hint anymore. Pretty much any CA solvent you find will have acetone as the secret ingredient. The Starbond gel product works well as it is thick enough not to run everywhere. Acetone shouldn't affect the polish.
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Post by Woodyrock on Dec 20, 2008 22:42:51 GMT -5
Steve: Do mean how to get the dop stick off, or the residue off? The acetone can not hurt the polish, and a sharp square ended Exacto blade will get the residue off the back. What I need to know, is how to get the dop stick off my finger! Without soaking it overnight in acetone. Most super glues manufactureers sell a debonding agent to break the bond.....the gell types work best. Woody
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SteveHolmes
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Post by SteveHolmes on Dec 21, 2008 14:20:43 GMT -5
Thanks you guys. I tink I'll get some of that Starbond gel. Steve
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rckdgr
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Post by rckdgr on Dec 22, 2008 0:57:49 GMT -5
Steve, If you could use a metal dop, like a nail, etc, just heat the dop stick in the middle with a torch, away from the stone and it will fall right off. Just have something to catch your stone with. Rodney
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blarneystone
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Post by blarneystone on Dec 23, 2008 9:43:36 GMT -5
Be careful using Acetone to remove super glue. Acetone can damage some stones... from personal experience I can tell you that using it on Pet Palm wood isn't a good idea... I used Acetone to remove a dop from a nice palm wood cab... soaked the cab and dop in the Acetone for an hour or so... the colors in the cab faded signifigantly... Now.... if the dop doesn't just pop off the cab with a little prying I put it in the freezer and try again. Once the dop is off then I use a razor blade and a little bit of Acetone on a cloth to remove the super glue residue... Dan
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Post by NatureNut on Dec 24, 2008 19:39:52 GMT -5
Great tips. But... right now, I need to know how to get super glue off my fingers. LOL. (not lying)
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Saskrock
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Post by Saskrock on Dec 25, 2008 3:06:17 GMT -5
Now that is a problem, I know if you get enough on it makes your skin peel eventually, giving you really scratchy fingers. Try some fingernail polish remover for big spots, it kind of works. On little spots my flat lap with 1200 grit works really fast. Not sure if its a good idea to try that with a big spot.
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agatemaggot
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Post by agatemaggot on Dec 25, 2008 8:24:59 GMT -5
If you can get Super Glue in water immediately upon contact it will usually turn white and you can just roll it off. I run it under really warm water. Where the test of hand eye coordination comes in is gluing plastic baits onto a lead headed fishing lure !
You can REALLY get yourself messed up on that one !
Try pickin your nose with a 6 in. plastic worm stuck to your thumb. That will turn a head or two !
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drjo
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Post by drjo on Dec 25, 2008 10:15:20 GMT -5
In the States, they've gotten away from nailpolish remover with acetone in it , so the new stuff doesn't work well on super glues When I work with it, I have a hand lotion that doubles as a "glove" so stuff doesn't stick to them. They use a special super glue instead of stitches or staples. Dr Joe .
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Post by Rogue Trader on Dec 25, 2008 11:00:34 GMT -5
In the States, they've gotten away from nailpolish remover with acetone in it , so the new stuff doesn't work well on super glues When I work with it, I have a hand lotion that doubles as a "glove" so stuff doesn't stick to them. They use a special super glue instead of stitches or staples. Dr Joe . Information only: Cyanoacrylate-based tissue glue has been widely used for many years around the world, and was recently approved for use in the United States, mainly for skin cuts and lacerations. Other applications were described, in different surgical situations. Although ideal for small, clean incisions, its use in laparoscopic surgery is currently limited. Over a year period, 100 patients with more 250 trocar site wounds had their wounds glued using histoacryl. Infection rate was extremely low (one case), and partial dehiscence of the wound happened in two patients, where wound edge approximation was not optimal. Cosmetic results were excellent and patient satisfaction was high, as no sutures had to be removed. Glue application is easy and quick, with no risk of needle sticks, and it is a viable option for laparoscopic wound closure.
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Saskrock
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Post by Saskrock on Dec 25, 2008 12:24:59 GMT -5
I have used regular super glue for years on paper cuts or similar cuts works great. Almost like the cut is gone. Don't try it on a cut with a chunk of meat/skin missing though, you will end up with a sore glue blister kind of thing. Just take my word for it and only use super glue on cuts that can be pushed totally closed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2008 20:01:38 GMT -5
You can still buy 100% Acetone in the nail polish remover section of stores in the States. I got mine from Wal Mart. I use super glue exclusively for dopping and rarely use the acetone. I just boil a couple of ounces of water in the microwave, put the dop stick/stone in it for a couple of minutes and it usually pops right off. Then I flat lap the back for a couple of seconds to remove any residue. If its really stuck I just pry around the dop stick with a box cutter/razer blade and again, it usually pops right off. I save the acetone for the stones that are heat sensitive.
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drjo
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Post by drjo on Dec 25, 2008 22:27:50 GMT -5
weeshan , good to know for others, as for me, not so good. None of the walmarts here carry acetone -based nail polish remover and I was told someone in another state couldn't get it either But they do carry acetone @ $9.00 a can. I wish I could do the hot water or even the freezer trick, but I just can't chance cracking precious Opal as it's very sensitive. Dr Joe .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2008 23:16:02 GMT -5
Dr Joe,
I use a very small quantity of super glue on a nail head for my precious opals. I soak the cab in room temp water for awhile just to slightly soften the glue and then I use the tip of my box cutter to gently pry around the edge of the nail when Im done cabbing. Once off I flat lap the back to remove residue. So far so good. I know at some point I may end up with a ruined opal but I just never wanted to deal with wax so its worked for me so far. It probably helps that Im not working with high grade opal.......I would maybe be less inclined to use glue if I had some seriously expensive opal dopped.
Shannon
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DeanW
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Post by DeanW on Dec 30, 2008 20:04:44 GMT -5
Super glue has been favored by rock climbers, especially granite climbers for many years to repair cuts and scrapes in the middle of a climb.
Hmm, that sounds kinda weird: repairing a climb? No, repairing cut fingers while performing a climb.
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Post by stoneme on Jan 10, 2009 3:07:07 GMT -5
you can find acetone were ever paint is sold. usualy in 1gal. cans at a reasonable price. auto zone seems to have the lowest price in my area
I used to work at a chemical plant that made the thickening agent used in Closure Medicals "liquid stitches" it's the same stuff used in super glue gel (polyethylhexylmethacrylate),but, just like the cyanoacrylate they use, all trace chemicals and residual monomers must be removed. the result is a price of ~$1000/lb for a product which is normally manufactured at a cost of 1 or 2 dollars a pound.
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agatemaggot
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Post by agatemaggot on Feb 27, 2009 15:27:54 GMT -5
If you get your hand in water as soon as you notice the problem the glue gives up pretty quick. After it is dried, not so. I use wet or dry fine sandpaper under running water until I get the results I want.
Or, the skin gets so thin I can't stand to mess with it any longer !
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horsinaround
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Post by horsinaround on Mar 14, 2009 7:26:56 GMT -5
Steve, I found that taking an 8 lb sledge hammer and placing it properly with the right ammount of force on the super glue removes it.and when you come upon temperment problem with the doping and stones falling off it help relieve that stress as well. unfortunately with the hammer method the cabs have a tendency to disapear as well as the super glue.but it sure does make me feel better to smash the heck out the the rocks and super glue!!!!! ha ha ha Steve p.s. I hope this helps
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