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Post by mohs on Feb 16, 2012 15:19:37 GMT -5
I'm waiting for a VDT vacuum dop technology that seems feasible just suck that stone on to a hollow reed easy release
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Post by mohs on Mar 4, 2012 13:57:29 GMT -5
pressure related dop wax question is the best procedure to press the dop wax firmly down on the stone? Or moderate pressure? Thanks Ed
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xXxAlisha91xXx
spending too much on rocks
Member since February 2012
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Post by xXxAlisha91xXx on Mar 6, 2012 2:48:22 GMT -5
I think someone already mentioned it, but, I use Gorilla glue brand wood glue on a wooden dowel. I just apply the glue to the dowel then press the cab on it with moderate pressure and let them sit overnight in a piece of styrofoam. So far, I haven't had a problem with it forming pits on the cab like with super glue. It also comes off fairly easily in comparison. I would dop with wax, but I'm too lazy and impatient for all that.
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Post by mohs on Mar 7, 2012 0:48:28 GMT -5
I resisted a dop pot for years but the newer ones are pretty nice perhaps a bit pricey yet-glad I got one now its taken a little trial and error but I'm becoming quite the dipping dopp'n expert
don't know much about Gorilla glue I hear it expands wonder how that would work for gluing rocks together?
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Post by stoner on Mar 13, 2012 14:28:23 GMT -5
Hey Ed. There was an article a few months ago in R&G mag about using a manual vacuum pump for dopping stones. The author said it worked great. I wouldn't know, I don't have much of a finger nail on my index finger. hehe!
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Post by mohs on Mar 14, 2012 0:39:40 GMT -5
Thanks Ed ! John at GS was also telling me about this article So I just found a post by William Kappele. Plus another article on vacuum doping by a gentleman that runs Shop Talk.
interesting experiments!
I had a discussion with a person a couple months ago & the vacuum idea got suggested. That really got me thunking. It sounds like the idea been around since the 1970’s and there is even a patent.
I’m not sure-- if it really feasible-- in an efficient way yet. so for now I’m wax on~~ wax off~~ mostly
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Post by mohs on Mar 14, 2012 22:47:09 GMT -5
just so you guys know I plugged in my dop pot @ 20:23 MST should be grinding @ 20:44 MST whoops I'm late ! I'll be right back mostly
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RockIt2Me
has rocks in the head
Sometimes I have to tell myself, "It's not worth the jail time."
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Post by RockIt2Me on Feb 6, 2013 20:06:59 GMT -5
I have my dop pot hooked into a power strip that also has a string of white christmas lights attached. The lights (that I draped up to the ceiling) remind me to turn off the pot. I have my pickle pot hooked to blue lights for the same reminder. Plus, it makes for a festive studio!
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Post by rockmanken on Feb 6, 2013 20:20:14 GMT -5
Only you, Nancie. LOL
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RockIt2Me
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Sometimes I have to tell myself, "It's not worth the jail time."
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Post by RockIt2Me on Feb 6, 2013 22:26:41 GMT -5
You're just jealous, Ken...;-)
And how are you and Donna doing....you never post anymore.
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Post by mohs on Feb 6, 2013 23:21:06 GMT -5
That really great idea Nancie especially for me was going to install a lighted in line switch on the dop pot I even bought one but its just 1 other thing that needs doing
but my dopping station is in a dark area so hooking up a light to the surge ought to be a solution
do I need a pickle pot ? Ha Ha
mostly
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Post by mohs on Feb 7, 2013 21:48:57 GMT -5
The issue of overcooked dop is a recurrent theme on the board. Its always best to turn the dop pot off after your done dopping your stone I have even set up signs that says: Turn the dop pot OFFbut it doesn’t help all that much Ha Ha Anyway once the wax is over cooked-- its toast! Fairly useless. Thick, gunky, no resiliency . Once it happens all I know to do is discard the old wax and start with new. Ruined Wax OUT- New Wax IN That gets sort of expensive So turn your dop pot OFF! But getting the ruined, gunky wax out of the pot is a chore. Best I knew to do was to heat the wax and scoop out with a spoon/knife. Not particularly a fast or efficient method. I even put the whole dop pot in the freezer hoping the wax would just plop out. No such luck. But I did find an easier method. Add just tiny bit (dime size) of paraffin wax to the heated old ruined dop wax. This make the ruined dop wax very slippery The bad wax is easily scooped out of the pot with a spoon/knife. Very easy. WARNING Be sure to wipe the dop pot out really well before adding new dop! Any left over paraffin wax residue will affect the new dop. Causing the new dop wax not to have proper sticking properties. So wipe out really well. There may be a better substance for this. It was only an experiment and worked really well for me. Regardless, the best course of action is TURN OFF THE DOP POT mostly
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Post by mohs on Feb 23, 2013 20:17:05 GMT -5
This is my latest brilliant idea in my attempt to save on dop Its my screensaver picture on my computer I always got my face in front of that mohstly
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 16, 2013 13:43:02 GMT -5
I just happen to have a scary dop story that happened to me a few days ago. That stupid (translate DUMB ASS) bump switch on my dopping station got bumped and I didn't know it. On top of the dop pot, was a pile of empty 2x3 ziplocks. They all melted on and into the pot. The wax was toast. I don't know for how long it was on, but a couple of dopped stones near by had leaning dop sticks, so I'm guessing it was on for a long while. What a flippin' mess!!!! Here's what I did to get the old wax old. I let it all cool down. I turned the pot on again and let it heat till just the bottom was loose. I took a Popsicle stick and dug up a corner to lift the whole piece out. It came out mostly whole. Then after cooling I used acetone to finish cleaning up what the stick couldn't scrape. LESSON- don't put stuff on top of the dop pot. DOH! No brainer, right? Unplug the thing when not in steady use. I could of had a fire or something. Maybe my kitty could have gotten burned. I got lucky that I only had a mess to clean. I think Inland should replace the bump/toggle switch to make it harder to accidentally turn it on.
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Post by Pat on Apr 16, 2013 17:45:41 GMT -5
Hmmm, it's lots of acronyms, but I don't see one relative to cabs.
On small cabs, I use Locktite Super Glue Gel on a filed flat bolt head. Heat the bolt for less than a minute on a soldering brick, and the cab slides off. If any remains on the cab, I use a pocket knife to remove the big chunks and acetone to remove any film.
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Post by mohs on Apr 17, 2013 12:30:18 GMT -5
leaning dops of pisa marble cabs, Tela? interesting that the wax came out whole...mostly get the temperature up to luke warm.... huh? good trick ! glad that the overheated dop pot disaster worked out O.K is the switch lit? there is no switch on my ray tech altho I've thought of installing an inline lit switch on the cord luckily I've remembered to unplug my dop pot for a quite awhile now must be my screensaver
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victor1941
fully equipped rock polisher
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Post by victor1941 on Apr 17, 2013 18:17:11 GMT -5
I dop with good success using green wax in a home made dopping unit. This unit consists of a small electric switch box that was modified so a pan or cup could be inserted into the top surface. A 100 watt light is the heat source. The sides of this unit have a 3/4 inch foil covered foam to maintain the heat. I stack the material to be dopped on the upper surface so it is also heated and ready for immediate attachment once the dop stick is placed about 3/4 inch in the melted wax. All material is thoroughly cleaned of cutting oil and dust before dopping by cleaning with a liquid dish washing soap.
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Post by mohs on Jan 20, 2014 17:27:45 GMT -5
I have confession to make I'm off the dop! yes yes... Its all true Dopping took me a long ways I would have never mastered the heart with out it but after dopping 500 hearts which helped me learn the roll method I find I can go back to grinding a heart by hand so I'm dop free mostly
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zbestvalue
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Post by zbestvalue on Jan 29, 2014 18:26:11 GMT -5
I use 5 minute epoxy from Lowes. Use with metal dops. After done heat the dop (middle) over a liquid candle to release gems.
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The Dad_Ohs
fully equipped rock polisher
Take me to your Labradorite!!
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Post by The Dad_Ohs on Jan 29, 2014 20:32:53 GMT -5
The issue of overcooked dop is a recurrent theme on the board. Its always best to turn the dop pot off after your done dopping your stone I have even set up signs that says: Turn the dop pot OFFbut it doesn’t help all that much Ha Ha Anyway once the wax is over cooked-- its toast! Fairly useless. Thick, gunky, no resiliency . Once it happens all I know to do is discard the old wax and start with new. Ruined Wax OUT- New Wax IN That gets sort of expensive So turn your dop pot OFF! But getting the ruined, gunky wax out of the pot is a chore. The best way to get ruined wax out of the dop pot is ti turn it on, wait about a minute for the wax to just start to soften and using an old butter knife lift from the edge and the wax will pull out in a solid piece. don't let it get to hot or it will all soften and then you have to fight it. I've done it twice myself. I also have gone the nail & glue route, but I use copper roofing nails,, they are smooth topped already and the heads are large enough for most any stone. A small drop of CA, quick spritz or 2 of accelerator, and ready to go. only other thing I do is stick the nail into a pin vise because the shaft is short. but you can buy a box of 50-100 of them for fairly cheap and they are reusable too. Pin Vises are about $6.00 tops so having 2-3 of them is enough to keep you cabbing as you only need to switch out the nails and you have a new cab to work on..... Oh, and a bottle of nail polish remover to release the glue when done. Dop wax takes 10 minutes in the freezer to release, CA in Acetone takes at least 1 hour or more! just my 22 1/3 centavos!!
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