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Post by helens on Jul 26, 2012 19:58:46 GMT -5
And so there's no confusion, those Democrats in the pockets of Corporations must GO too.
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Jul 26, 2012 20:08:02 GMT -5
*L* Kinda hard for a green company that goes out of business to repay those big ole loans don't ya think? *L*. Of course you know that means "all" Democrats must go too, including the POTUS as all on both side of the aisle are in the pockets of the lobby folks *L*...Mel
Jake: Having worked in the AG field in California and having just gotten food poisoned last week off bagged lettuce. I know whereof you speak *L*. Not uncommon to find aborted babies in farmworkers toilets out there too. Things got better in my last years in the field ( better johns , handwashing etc) but back in the 70's, wow, the workers were really much worse. Used to take dumps right in the fields and leave TP right out there too...Mel
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Post by helens on Jul 26, 2012 20:12:25 GMT -5
*L* Kinda hard for a green company that goes out of business to repay those big ole loans don't ya think? *L*....Mel Jake: Having worked in the AG field in California and having just gotten food poisoned last week off bagged lettuce. I know whereof you speak *L*. Not uncommon to find aborted babies in farmworkers toilets out there too. Things got better in my last years in the field ( better johns , handwashing etc) but back in the 70's, wow, the workers were really much worse. Used to take dumps right in the fields and leave TP right out there too...Mel Actually, no. Told you at least 4x before that the 2 green alternative energy stocks I track are kicking butt. Fuelcell (my favorite) has contracts with POSCO in Korea, Germany, and the US Navy just bought one of their power plants too, they are very close to profitable. Capstone Turbines (windmills) are doing super well too (don't track them closely since I sold it). Those are just 2 of Obama's HUMONGOUS success stories that are going to repay their loans plus interest. As I told you before, you plant lots of seed and some die while others take off and pay you back multifold. It's the same principle behind banks making morgage loans... some will fail, but the rest succeed and the banks make money. In case you didn't know, that's how banks make money.
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Post by parfive on Jul 26, 2012 20:15:55 GMT -5
“ . . . ethanol . . . Just another greenie idea . . . “ Wrong. Corporate welfare, plain and simple. It starts with Archer Daniels Midland, so stick your greenie bullshit in that fancy jar of dog piss. Try the Googley thing, with a dash of CATO.
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Post by helens on Jul 26, 2012 20:23:50 GMT -5
Don, I do NOT want to see corporate farming AT ALL. I want NO corporate subsidies AT ALL. I want to see the small farmer have a fighting CHANCE against Monsanto, Archer Daniels Midland and the other 2 GIANTS that are crowding those small farmers out.
THAT is why I am voting for OBAMA, he is NOT in the pockets of those corporations making the middle class and poor pay corporate welfare to the RICH.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jul 26, 2012 20:56:37 GMT -5
Doesn't surprise me on bit. Greens will do anything to stop progress and jobs. And when there done there. They will drive or fly to the next oilfield. Groups like that make me sick. And how many SD tax dollars were spent in court because of them.
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 26, 2012 21:22:18 GMT -5
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 26, 2012 21:26:40 GMT -5
Doesn't surprise me on bit. Greens will do anything to stop progress and jobs. And when there done there. They will drive or fly to the next oilfield. Groups like that make me sick. And how many SD tax dollars were spent in court because of them. Don't know the exact tax payer cost, but I suspect it's in the millions. In spite of all of this wasted money and foolishness, South Dakota has unemployment numbers slightly above 4%, and a budget surplus. Could it be because we're a small state, and not worthy of Barrys attention ?
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bushmanbilly
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Post by bushmanbilly on Jul 26, 2012 23:21:27 GMT -5
Doesn't surprise me on bit. Greens will do anything to stop progress and jobs. And when there done there. They will drive or fly to the next oilfield. Groups like that make me sick. And how many SD tax dollars were spent in court because of them. Don't know the exact tax payer cost, but I suspect it's in the millions. In spite of all of this wasted money and foolishness, South Dakota has unemployment numbers slightly above 4%, and a budget surplus. Could it be because we're a small state, and not worthy of Barrys attention ? Its because your state is prospering against Barry's idealism and green friends wishes. Those are nice numbers. Very close to Saskatchewan's. We are the only province to be running a surplus budget. 8 years ago with a leftist gov we were in deficit.
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Post by mohs on Jul 27, 2012 1:47:58 GMT -5
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Post by grayfingers on Jul 27, 2012 7:41:28 GMT -5
"Obama DOES NOT SUBSIDIZE alternative energy, he gives them LOANS that must be REPAID." The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) at the request of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee evaluated federal subsidies received by the various energy industries for fiscal year 2011.[ia] The agency found that energy-related subsidies totaled $24 billion, of which $16 billion were spent on renewable energy and energy efficiency and $2.5 billion on fossil fuels in fiscal year 2011. In other words, renewable energy technologies and energy efficiency programs received 6.4 times more subsidies than fossil fuels received. The ethanol industry, which received over $6 billion, was the single largest renewable energy recipient and the wind industry was the second largest renewable energy recipient, according to CBO.[ii] The Energy Information Administration (EIA) evaluated federal subsidies for fiscal year 2010 using a broader definition and found that federal energy-related subsidies and financial interventions totaled $37.2 billion, of which $21.3 billion was for renewable energy and energy efficiency (57 percent) and $4.2 billion was for fossil fuels (11 percent). They were in agreement with the CBO on biofuels and wind being the largest renewable recipients of subsidies. But, EIA also found that the largest recipients of subsidies also produced the smallest amounts of energy for the nation. www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/47053
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Post by darstcreek77 on Jul 27, 2012 8:40:06 GMT -5
my problem with the big oil companies is that they drill on OUR LAND PUBLIC land and making a bunch of money .
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darstcreek77
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Post by darstcreek77 on Jul 27, 2012 8:41:59 GMT -5
win fall profit tax is in order . (may not be spelled right) AS IN THE 1970s
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grayfingers
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Post by grayfingers on Jul 27, 2012 9:01:15 GMT -5
Yeah, or better yet follow the Alaskan model. The Alaska Permanent Fund was established by Alaska in 1976. "created by an amendment to the Alaska Constitution to be an investment for at least 25% of proceeds from some mineral (such as oil and gas) sales or royalties. This does not mean the fund is solely funded by oil revenue. The Fund does not include either property taxes on oil company property nor income tax from oil corporations, so the minimum 25% deposit is closer to 11% if those sources were also considered. Each year, the fund's realized earnings are split between inflation-proofing, operating expenses, and the annual Permanent Fund Dividend. The Permanent Fund Dividend is a dividend paid to Alaska residents that have lived within the state for a minimum of two years.The amount of each payment is based upon a five-year average of the Permanent Fund's performance and varies widely depending on the stock market and many other factors. Though the payouts have varied from the smallest ($331.29 per person in 1984) and the largest ($3,269.00 per person in 2008 when a one-time $1,200 Alaska Resource Rebate was added to the dividend amount),[3] they usually vary between $600 and $1,500 ($900 and $1,800 when adjusted for 2005 dollars)."
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Post by helens on Jul 27, 2012 22:16:34 GMT -5
Bill, how much of that was for ETHANOL? Something the REPUBLICANS decided was part of GREEN energy... laugh.
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Post by geoff on Jul 28, 2012 1:08:19 GMT -5
Heh. I'm in big oil. It funds my rock addiction much like the war on terror funded it while I was serving. I just go where the money is lol!
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 28, 2012 1:43:57 GMT -5
And so there's no confusion, those Democrats in the pockets of Corporations must GO too. Obama's largest contributors: University of California $1,648,685 Goldman Sachs $1,013,091 Harvard University $878,164 Microsoft Corp $852,167 Google Inc $814,540 JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799 Citigroup Inc $736,771 Time Warner $624,618 Sidley Austin LLP $600,298 Stanford University $595,716 National Amusements Inc $563,798 WilmerHale LLP $550,668 Columbia University $547,852 Skadden, Arps et al $543,539 UBS AG $532,674 IBM Corp $532,372 General Electric $529,855 US Government $513,308 Morgan Stanley $512,232 Latham & Watkins $503,295 No Corporations here, eh? Okey Dokey. Lee
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Post by helens on Jul 28, 2012 13:23:26 GMT -5
Lee, who gathered that data? Because the ONLY source of data in the USA is the Federal Elections Committee. HERE is Obama's campaign donations page: fec.gov/disclosurep/pnational.doHERE is Romney's campaign donations page: fec.gov/disclosurep/pnational.doOnce again, do you buy a car based on the advertisers ads or do you go look at the cars directly? Look at the FEC pages, the SOURCES of every single estimate of campaign donations, no one else has those figures. Edit, it's a database, so cannot link directly. Just go to the link for FEC, and click on Obama or Romney. You cannot get a virus from that page, you can see where it goes.
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Post by chassroc on Jul 28, 2012 19:05:07 GMT -5
People like say that Barcak is getting money from big business
They love to point out that Barack got $100,000 from Bain Employees...but they conveniently forget to mention that Romney got $5,000,000 from Bain Employees (and who knows how much more from Bain emplolyees contributions to the big Pacs
Math lesson for you people who seem to need a lesson 5 million is 50 times as big as 100 thousand. You cannot compare the two without looking like an idiot
Charlie
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Post by helens on Jul 28, 2012 19:30:52 GMT -5
I'm not convinced that Bain gave $.10 to Obama. I have seen the right twist distort and lie, and far as I can tell, the FEC DOES NOT SHOW a Bain donation to Obama.
So WHO says Bain donated Obama a PENNY? Since EVERYONE gets their source for campaign donations from the SAME SINGLE SOLE SOURCE, the FEC.. and it's NOT THERE... absolutely nothing anyone can say matters til they can show it to us ON the FEC site... and I don't see it.
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