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Post by helens on Aug 16, 2012 11:35:18 GMT -5
Maybe the silver lining is that Lowell will have more time for writing rock books. When Pell Grants are gone, and they fire more teachers, there will be lots more free time for some people. (sorry for the mention Lowell, but maybe some people need to put a FACE on the suffering they are happy to vote for for ideology sake).
Btw... I don't recall hearing about the heroics of the resident bucket brigades at the Midwest fires. Who put those out? Will firing more firemen hurt us next year?
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Post by grayfingers on Aug 16, 2012 11:42:06 GMT -5
I'll go with this opinion piece from Forbes, written by an outside adviser to the Romney campaign on health care issues. That is the point, Helen. You are always going on about the horse's mouth, There it is. Also, you need to take into account that now Ryan is Romney's running mate, he is now a surrogate. He well may influence policy, but I suspect the Romney/Ryan plan will not be the same as the Ryan plan. A full on attack on Ryan is to be expected. 'Kill him quick, he is dangerous'. Ryan is polling well in the younger voters as well as women, which makes him a double threat.
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Post by grayfingers on Aug 16, 2012 12:07:15 GMT -5
Hmmm... Today's schedule. . . Run Joe, RUN!
10:15AM THE PRESIDENT and THE VICE PRESIDENT receive the Presidential Daily Briefing
Oval Office
Closed Press
10:45AM THE PRESIDENT and THE VICE PRESIDENT meet with Secretary of State Clinton
Oval Office
Closed Press
12:30PM THE PRESIDENT and THE VICE PRESIDENT meet for lunch
Private Dining Room
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Post by bhiatt on Aug 16, 2012 12:22:47 GMT -5
Ryan's going to be a great President, I mean VicePresident. Boy that made Romney look like an idiot. That was pretty much the icing on the cake. I dont like any political party and I can guarantee that Obama will get elected again. His campaign is to powerful. Ryan and Romney or is it Romney or Ryan, I still dont know yet. They sound like a bunch of tools.
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Post by helens on Aug 16, 2012 13:29:43 GMT -5
Ryan polls well with women?! What planet are you from? This is the guy who wants NO abortion even if the baby is dead inside a woman, and will kill her with sepsis. Women want to see dead women? I don't think so.
NO birth control either. Sex abuse victims, married women who cannot afford another child but still want to sleep with their husbands, etc.
I suspect SOME husbands may mind not ever having sex again til their wife hits menopause when they have as many kids as they can afford.
No abortions, if you are raped, 10 years old, incest, cannot physically carry a child to term due to your health, accident victims in comas. Tough.
He's REAL popular with the ladies... on which planet?
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Post by helens on Aug 16, 2012 13:32:14 GMT -5
I'll go with this opinion piece from Forbes, written by an outside adviser to the Romney campaign on health care issues. That is the point, Helen. You are always going on about the horse's mouth, There it is. Also, you need to take into account that now Ryan is Romney's running mate, he is now a surrogate. He well may influence policy, but I suspect the Romney/Ryan plan will not be the same as the Ryan plan. A full on attack on Ryan is to be expected. 'Kill him quick, he is dangerous'. Ryan is polling well in the younger voters as well as women, which makes him a double threat. FORBES is the horses mouth when I posted you the Congressional Budget Office's direct report? Are you kidding?
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Post by grayfingers on Aug 16, 2012 14:16:29 GMT -5
Sorry, not up to running in circles with you today. You asked for a source that Romney will reduce the deficit, I provided one from a person who is advising Romney. Your link is the Congressional Budget Office’s long-term review of Paul Ryan’s budget proposal published in April 2011. Again, The Romney/Ryan plan is yet to be unveiled. "Although the original spring 2011 plan completely privatized Medicare, an updated “bipartisan” plan included a traditional Medicare option. However, the Romney campaign says it has an even newer plan. “Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have a bipartisan plan to strengthen Medicare and are committed to ensuring that Medicare remains strong – not just for today’s seniors, but for tomorrow’s seniors as well,” said Ryan Williams, a spokesman for Romney campaign, in response to the attack ad. There are no long-term reviews for this updated Romney-Ryan plan yet — or specific published details – so it appears the 2011 CBO report on Ryan’s original budget proposal is the only thing we have to go on." ------------------------------------- CNN: "Ryan is also a clear plus for the party's base, many of whom have never really liked Romney. He appeals to crucial independent voters, Catholics and women too." caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/13/how-much-will-paul-ryan-help-mitt-romneys-chances-of-winning/---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Romney first: over 40% of youth vote back him For the first time since he began running for president, Republican Mitt Romney has the support of over 40 percent of America's youth vote, a troubling sign for President Obama who built his 2008 victory with the overwhelming support of younger, idealistic voters. "Pollster John Zogby of JZ Analytics told Secrets Tuesday that Romney received 41 percent in his weekend poll of 1,117 likely voters, for the first time crossing the 40 percent mark. What's more, he said that Romney is the only Republican of those who competed in the primaries to score so high among 18-29 year olds." washingtonexaminer.com/a-romney-first-over-40-of-youth-vote-back-him/article/2504893#.UC1GN6C0KSqMock me and scorn my sources all you like, It's all good.
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Post by chassroc on Aug 16, 2012 14:33:02 GMT -5
Bill, You sound as desperate as Romney looks Charlie
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Post by grayfingers on Aug 16, 2012 14:37:51 GMT -5
Sorry Charlie, not even a bit desperate. In a political setting, the desperate are those who are angry and loud. Actually, I am feeling quite optimistic, but thanks for caring. . .
Bill
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Post by helens on Aug 16, 2012 15:17:02 GMT -5
I'll go with this opinion piece from Forbes, written by an outside adviser to the Romney campaign on health care issues. That is the point, Helen. You are always going on about the horse's mouth, There it is. Also, you need to take into account that now Ryan is Romney's running mate, he is now a surrogate. He well may influence policy, but I suspect the Romney/Ryan plan will not be the same as the Ryan plan. A full on attack on Ryan is to be expected. 'Kill him quick, he is dangerous'. Ryan is polling well in the younger voters as well as women, which makes him a double threat. Bill, I did not do your article justice, was busy, didn't have time to look. I just read it. Not one spot did it mention Romney's promised tax reduction for the rich. THAT is what's being factored in to say that not only will Romney not be able to reduce the deficit, it's going to SKYROCKET. New please reread how Obama's Federal Spending was the lowest spending % growth from a US Admin this Century that I linked for you from the Wall Street Journal's Marketwatch. Remember... you were one of those who wanted to remind me a few months ago how the rich paid 70% of all taxes. So when they pay even less, all services get reduced or eliminated. So back to this... Think people in the midwest can form realistic bucket brigades when they fire the firemen and can protect their homes from starving unemployed looters when they fire the police?
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Post by Sabre52 on Aug 16, 2012 16:05:34 GMT -5
Helen : *L* Somehow you saying Obama/ dumbass douchebag Biden, who we know have no plan and are screwing up the country, are somehow better than Romney/Ryan who might or might not solve some of our problems but who are at least willing to confront them and try, just doesn't wash with me. The country is broke! It's gonna have to take some tough love for the folks and the Dems plainly do not have any plan at all except to spend, tax or borrow and repeat the same old lies and phony accounting. It's been almost four years and they've accomplished not a dang thing except to push problems down the road. I still say, give a new team a try and if it don't work, then try another but to re-up a team that has been a total failure is just stupid and I think a lot of Americans who supported the Obama crew are finally figuring that out. Thankfully, we don't have long to wait till the elections so let er roll. Either more Americans will wake up or more Americans will sell their votes for freebies and lies to the worse panderer and snake oil salesman that has ever held office. Only a few months to go, I'm willing to wait and see how it turns out.....Mel
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Post by grayfingers on Aug 16, 2012 16:43:57 GMT -5
I am sure austerity will not be as fun as maxing out the card was. . . If we have too few of whatever services, might be a good time to reflect on where we would be if we were better managers. Ain't no magic cure this time.
There is another thought as the election looms. While the left and the right are occupied with 'winning', the rest of the world is a powder keg with a lit fuse. There is a very good chance that there will be war in the mid east, and the possible fall of the Euro before November. Either of these could change the political scene overnight. We may soon see small countries face starvation and food riots due to drought, people are going nuts here at home at an alarming rate. . .
Why anyone would want the job about now is beyond me. I understand that power is an attractive motivation, but really. How can Obama or Romney sleep at night. . . At this point it is all not much more than a crap shoot. I honestly did hope 4 years ago that we had seen the worst of the division in this country, but we are even more divided now. And, there is no savior in human form to elect who can right all the wrongs and save us from our own folly.
The only good that came from 9/11 was how the congress and in turn the country walked across the aisle to hug their brothers and sisters. I actually thought there was a chance for a new beginning. Seems the only thing that brings us together is shared danger, grief, fear and anger. I was thinking, perhaps I am feeling a bit desperate after all, but not about Romney's odds.
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Post by texaswoodie on Aug 16, 2012 17:27:22 GMT -5
That is the point, Helen. You are always going on about the horse's mouth, There it is. Also, you need to take into account that now Ryan is Romney's running mate, he is now a surrogate. He well may influence policy, but I suspect the Romney/Ryan plan will not be the same as the Ryan plan. A full on attack on Ryan is to be expected. 'Kill him quick, he is dangerous'. Ryan is polling well in the younger voters as well as women, which makes him a double threat. FORBES is the horses mouth when I posted you the Congressional Budget Office's direct report? Are you kidding? Is this the same CBO that said Obamacare would REDUCE the deficit? Curt
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Post by texaswoodie on Aug 16, 2012 17:31:58 GMT -5
I am sure austerity will not be as fun as maxing out the card was. . . If we have too few of whatever services, might be a good time to reflect on where we would be if we were better managers. Ain't no magic cure this time. There is another thought as the election looms. While the left and the right are occupied with 'winning', the rest of the world is a powder keg with a lit fuse. There is a very good chance that there will be war in the mid east, and the possible fall of the Euro before November. Either of these could change the political scene overnight. We may soon see small countries face starvation and food riots due to drought, people are going nuts here at home at an alarming rate. . . Why anyone would want the job about now is beyond me. I understand that power is an attractive motivation, but really. How can Obama or Romney sleep at night. . . At this point it is all not much more than a crap shoot. I honestly did hope 4 years ago that we had seen the worst of the division in this country, but we are even more divided now. And, there is no savior in human form to elect who can right all the wrongs and save us from our own folly. The only good that came from 9/11 was how the congress and in turn the country walked across the aisle to hug their brothers and sisters. I actually thought there was a chance for a new beginning. Seems the only thing that brings us together is shared danger, grief, fear and anger. I was thinking, perhaps I am feeling a bit desperate after all, but not about Romney's odds. Bill You're right on there Bill. Getting out of this mess is going to be tough. That's why the Dems are so against it. It will take actual character to get out. Something the Dems severely lack. Whether Romney is up to it or not is questionable. Obama is not questionable, the answer is NO. Curt
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Post by helens on Aug 16, 2012 19:16:40 GMT -5
Helen : *L* Somehow you saying Obama/ dumbass douchebag Biden, who we know have no plan and are screwing up the country, are somehow better than Romney/Ryan who might or might not solve some of our problems but who are at least willing to confront them and try, just doesn't wash with me. The country is broke! It's gonna have to take some tough love for the folks and the Dems plainly do not have any plan at all except to spend, tax or borrow and repeat the same old lies and phony accounting. It's been almost four years and they've accomplished not a dang thing except to push problems down the road. I still say, give a new team a try and if it don't work, then try another but to re-up a team that has been a total failure is just stupid and I think a lot of Americans who supported the Obama crew are finally figuring that out. Thankfully, we don't have long to wait till the elections so let er roll. Either more Americans will wake up or more Americans will sell their votes for freebies and lies to the worse panderer and snake oil salesman that has ever held office. Only a few months to go, I'm willing to wait and see how it turns out.....Mel I not only am saying that, I am saying that Romney/Ryan fully intend to make the deficit worse. Read My Lips!
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Post by helens on Aug 16, 2012 19:17:33 GMT -5
FORBES is the horses mouth when I posted you the Congressional Budget Office's direct report? Are you kidding? Is this the same CBO that said Obamacare would REDUCE the deficit? Curt The CBO only analyzes the data presented to it Curt, it is the Congressional Budget Office, not Fox News:).
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Post by texaswoodie on Aug 16, 2012 19:42:22 GMT -5
You are correct Helen and when ALL the data is not given, there is no correct answer. So they are as worthless as any other government agency..
Curt
AND that is why they said Obamacare would reduce the deficit. They were given false and misleading information by Obama's Admin
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Post by helens on Aug 16, 2012 19:53:02 GMT -5
You are correct Helen and when ALL the data is not given, there is no correct answer. So they are as worthless as any other government agency.. Curt AND that is why they said Obamacare would reduce the deficit. They were given false and misleading information by Obama's Admin Obamacare WILL reduce the deficit, it doesn't even fully kick in til 2014. Were you the one to mention the 700 billion dollar savings to the deficit from Obamacare? Where do you think that savings comes from? It's the doctors and hospitals ACCEPTING a reduction in their rates to Medicare because the influx of INSURED people who currently go in to waste the Hospitals money will have insurance for a change. This will DROP hospital and doctors costs in collections and lost revenue. That savings will NOT be realized from increasing premiums. You really ought to read the posts you reply to Woody.
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Post by grayfingers on Aug 16, 2012 20:01:31 GMT -5
Actually, the $710 billion Obama will cut from Medicare will be spent on Obamacare over the next decade.
P.S. Pretty sure I heard that Romney said today that he is not going to touch Medicare.
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Post by helens on Aug 16, 2012 20:11:57 GMT -5
Actually, the $710 billion Obama will cut from Medicare will be spent on Obamacare over the next decade. P.S. Pretty sure I heard that Romney said today that he is not going to touch Medicare. If Romney repeals Obamacare, as he's promised, that 700 billion dollar reduction will not occur, because uninsured will continue to use Hospitals like free clinics. WITH Obamacare, those deadbeats will have insurance and cannot screw hospitals, thus the savings agreement from them. No hospital is going to reduce no rates for Medicare without the guaranteed income from deadbeats that Obamacare enforces. Romney will eliminate Obamacare, and he thinks the hospitals will keep those obamacare savings? LOL!
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