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Post by jamesp on Jan 2, 2015 15:17:55 GMT -5
Yeah right, James! Instead of a parking ticket, they'd throw me in jail and toss away the key! why ? They don't allow baseball bats and pump shotguns in a rear window gun rack out there? that's a southern style parking permit. especially if it's in a beat up old p/u truck.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 2, 2015 15:19:28 GMT -5
Damn James! That reminds me of North Dakota,my old stomping grounds.......Brings a tear to a guys eyes... Rear window gun rack full of iron is as sentimental as it gets, feel for ya Fossilman.
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 2, 2015 16:13:59 GMT -5
I was over in Hot Lanta yesterday and ran a traffic light. Did not know I ran it until my wife told me. I am just hoping a camera did not catch me. If so, I will be paying a fine too. I just hate driving in Atlanta especially anywhere around Cobb and Cherokee Counties in the northwest sections. I just throw those picture tickets in the garbage. I did not sign a promise to appear and they have no proof I even am aware of the "violation". After some time, they just go away. YMMV I'll be in Hotlanta in two weeks. Looks like Jim wont be home. Any other Georgians wanna meet up for a meal or beverages? rockpickerforever, I should be in Q too! Need to sort out sleeping arrangements for saturday night. Also the Rules of Civil Procedure for most States are along the lines of Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and do not allow service of Summons through the mail. A person must be personally served with the Summons by someone legally allowed to serve it. Therefore, the service of Summons through the mail is not legal and therefore you cannot be held to it.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jan 2, 2015 18:09:43 GMT -5
Portland is our big city around here,I hate it,never go there unless it's to the VA hospital......They don't call Portland "Keep Portland Weird" for nothing!!!!! LMAO I know there are a few people on here from there,no hard feelings,but I speak what I think.... I have to drive through the weirdness 4 days a week, twice a day for work. The 6AM part is not so bad, they mostly aren't up till noon. At 4:30 on the drive home they may have 3 or 4 cops patrolling the NB HOV lane to enforce political correctness, rather than dealing with the drive-bys in "Crack alley" just a few blocks away.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jan 2, 2015 18:13:20 GMT -5
Also the Rules of Civil Procedure for most States are along the lines of Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and do not allow service of Summons through the mail. A person must be personally served with the Summons by someone legally allowed to serve it. Therefore, the service of Summons through the mail is not legal and therefore you cannot be held to it. And for $$ to a lawyer you can reverse that license suspension for non payment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2015 20:33:58 GMT -5
I just throw those picture tickets in the garbage. I did not sign a promise to appear and they have no proof I even am aware of the "violation". After some time, they just go away. YMMV I'll be in Hotlanta in two weeks. Looks like Jim wont be home. Any other Georgians wanna meet up for a meal or beverages? rockpickerforever, I should be in Q too! Need to sort out sleeping arrangements for saturday night. Also the Rules of Civil Procedure for most States are along the lines of Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and do not allow service of Summons through the mail. A person must be personally served with the Summons by someone legally allowed to serve it. Therefore, the service of Summons through the mail is not legal and therefore you cannot be held to it. Except, what they did on one was "convert" it to a civil action, enter a default judgement against me, convict me for failure to appear and suspend my license. ALL without proof I even knew about the case. I had to hire an attorney to turn that around, and was still required to pay the fine. Even with that I am still ahead about $2000 over the last 15 years.
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 2, 2015 23:52:58 GMT -5
Also the Rules of Civil Procedure for most States are along the lines of Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and do not allow service of Summons through the mail. A person must be personally served with the Summons by someone legally allowed to serve it. Therefore, the service of Summons through the mail is not legal and therefore you cannot be held to it. And for $$ to a lawyer you can reverse that license suspension for non payment. You do not need to hire an attorney. You can bring a civil action for all damages and punitive damages yourself. As a Pro Se you cannot be held to attorney standards and thus you can make some mistakes without affecting your case. The person can cite their grounds for the action in their complaint, which is the violation of the Rules of Civil Procedure and technically a person could also go for coercion and extortion since they are under threat to pay money or be punished when the Constitution prevents the depriving of properly without Due Process, which INCLUDES proper service of Summons. Once you file and the Defendant(s) are served they have 20 days to file a response. Then a Motion for Summary Judgement or Partial Summary Judgement. Again the laws are already spelled out, but most people don't stand up for their rights.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 3, 2015 0:23:58 GMT -5
I think I'll just pay the ticket and avoid that bunch. Those folks cannot be trusted to proceed w/due process/fair treatment. They are motivated to tie things up, creating job security-something to do. It's nothing but a business and extra work is income. It is a loosing platform from the time you are charged as the accuser has the upper hand and benefits from a challenge. Pay it and move on, life is too short.
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 3, 2015 0:56:09 GMT -5
I think I'll just pay the ticket and avoid that bunch. Those folks cannot be trusted to proceed w/due process/fair treatment. They are motivated to tie things up, creating job security-something to do. It's nothing but a business and extra work is income. It is a loosing platform from the time you are charged as the accuser has the upper hand and benefits from a challenge. Pay it and move on, life is too short. This is what they count on, people giving up. That is why they do everything they can to drag things out if you decide to fight it, which is also a Constitutional violation. But you are right that it is all about making money. Even here in my State the Traffic Court judges get a percentage of everything they collect in Traffic Court that goes in to their retirement fund. Of course this is a conflict of interest since they have an incentive to find you guilty for their own gain. Being so they are supposed to recuse themselves from any such case, but they will not do that unless you make the Motion for Recusal. As I stated before though if people refuse to stand up for their rights then they don't deserve them.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 3, 2015 1:25:45 GMT -5
I think I'll just pay the ticket and avoid that bunch. Those folks cannot be trusted to proceed w/due process/fair treatment. They are motivated to tie things up, creating job security-something to do. It's nothing but a business and extra work is income. It is a loosing platform from the time you are charged as the accuser has the upper hand and benefits from a challenge. Pay it and move on, life is too short. This is what they count on, people giving up. That is why they do everything they can to drag things out if you decide to fight it, which is also a Constitutional violation. But you are right that it is all about making money. Even here in my State the Traffic Court judges get a percentage of everything they collect in Traffic Court that goes in to their retirement fund. Of course this is a conflict of interest since they have an incentive to find you guilty for their own gain. Being so they are supposed to recuse themselves from any such case, but they will not do that unless you make the Motion for Recusal. As I stated before though if people refuse to stand up for their rights then they don't deserve them. Funny James, I now look at ticketed crimes in particular as your bad day, an unfortunate occurrence. The effort to stand up for my rights is not worth the time and effort. It is just a bump. A fever. A cold. A pinched finger. If they start to harass or hinder my progress repetitively things would change. Meantime, fly under the radar and avoid that clan.
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 3, 2015 15:06:56 GMT -5
This is what they count on, people giving up. That is why they do everything they can to drag things out if you decide to fight it, which is also a Constitutional violation. But you are right that it is all about making money. Even here in my State the Traffic Court judges get a percentage of everything they collect in Traffic Court that goes in to their retirement fund. Of course this is a conflict of interest since they have an incentive to find you guilty for their own gain. Being so they are supposed to recuse themselves from any such case, but they will not do that unless you make the Motion for Recusal. As I stated before though if people refuse to stand up for their rights then they don't deserve them. Funny James, I now look at ticketed crimes in particular as your bad day, an unfortunate occurrence. The effort to stand up for my rights is not worth the time and effort. It is just a bump. A fever. A cold. A pinched finger. If they start to harass or hinder my progress repetitively things would change. Meantime, fly under the radar and avoid that clan. Then don't complain as your other rights start getting taken away. The government is like a little child. They are going to push to see how far they can go. If they figure out they can get away with something then they are going to do it a little more, then a little more, then a little more........ We have already seen how many of our rights already being trampled on because people did not care enough to fight for their rights. Now I see people complaining about how we are being denied our rights to access public land. At what point do your rights actually become important to you?
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jan 3, 2015 19:15:46 GMT -5
Also the Rules of Civil Procedure for most States are along the lines of Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and do not allow service of Summons through the mail. A person must be personally served with the Summons by someone legally allowed to serve it. Therefore, the service of Summons through the mail is not legal and therefore you cannot be held to it. Except, what they did on one was "convert" it to a civil action, enter a default judgement against me, convict me for failure to appear and suspend my license. ALL without proof I even knew about the case. I had to hire an attorney to turn that around, and was still required to pay the fine. Even with that I am still ahead about $2000 over the last 15 years. Hmmm, don't think I could be that cavalier about somebody trying to get money out of me like that. Glad that works for you.
I'm a wimp, easier to pay the extortion fine, then have to watch my back for the next however many years. Would that be being responsible, or being a chicken, lol? Probably just as likely that someone doesn't do their job and mark it paid, and I'm still on the sh!t list without even knowing it.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 3, 2015 20:18:40 GMT -5
Funny James, I now look at ticketed crimes in particular as your bad day, an unfortunate occurrence. The effort to stand up for my rights is not worth the time and effort. It is just a bump. A fever. A cold. A pinched finger. If they start to harass or hinder my progress repetitively things would change. Meantime, fly under the radar and avoid that clan. Then don't complain as your other rights start getting taken away. The government is like a little child. They are going to push to see how far they can go. If they figure out they can get away with something then they are going to do it a little more, then a little more, then a little more........ We have already seen how many of our rights already being trampled on because people did not care enough to fight for their rights. Now I see people complaining about how we are being denied our rights to access public land. At what point do your rights actually become important to you? I do take other liberties to make up for the governments afflictions James. They do not interfere w/my life enough to complain though. I suppose my activities do not cross paths w/them, or they are not illegal activities. Out here in the rural areas around Atlanta they are actually quite lenient. The next county over has a nazi sherif's department though. The people over there voted him in, they can live with him.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jan 3, 2015 23:29:53 GMT -5
Interesting notion that if I don't incessantly whine and complain about everything then I lose the right to complain altogether. I'm not buying that. Tis good to pick your battles.
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Post by jamesp on Jan 4, 2015 13:51:15 GMT -5
Interesting notion that if I don't incessantly whine and complain about everything then I lose the right to complain altogether. I'm not buying that. Tis good to pick your battles. I get so many less tickets confessing on the scene. speeding, no trailer tags, no boat registrations, rolling thru stops. I think I have pulled a boat for 20 years w/out a tag on the trailer. been stopped half a dozen times +, and got 1 ticket. Saved a lot of money on tag fees. -Most- cops are relieved when a confesser comes along and makes his day. if ya did wrong man up to it. Quickest way to a warning in high percentage of incidents. if you have a bad cop them you had a bad day. Don't know if i have ever had a -bad- policemen mess w/me except in the next county.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 14:02:41 GMT -5
In some states confessing to no tags on your trailer will get you shot. I think most cops are "good". They know the boundaries and stay within them. Too many a-holes tho' and they spoil the bushel. My most recent encounter with a cop was on the side of the road aside a dairy farm. Nice shady spot under a small eucalyptus grove. I was napping (trying) in my car; windows down. They rolled up and asked me "what's going on", "taking a nap". To which they responded, "you realize people live here and sleeping next to the dairy like this is a very intimidating gesture, don't you?" (emphasis his) I said "oh" and put my head back as if to sleep, dismissing them. They looked at me for a full minute before driving away, parking across the street. I did fall asleep and when my alarm went off, they were gone. It is my opinion that parking across the street was meant to intimidate and not part of their job. Not necessarily "bad" but a-hole for sure. But, perhaps, they also took a break and made some personal calls in the same shade I was enjoying?
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Post by Rockoonz on Jan 4, 2015 15:42:20 GMT -5
I don't know Scott. You weren't wearing your turban, were you? I'm guessing they ran your plates to make sure you weren't a problem child and left once they knew what an upstanding citizen you are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 15:54:12 GMT -5
You are prolly right Lee. The whole thing reeks of two bored cops with nothing better to do. Chino is very safe community.
I'm a little insulted you assume I'm an upstanding guy... Lol just kidding!
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Post by Fossilman on Jan 4, 2015 17:45:48 GMT -5
Yuppers,LMAO
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Post by Simon on Jan 5, 2015 20:21:39 GMT -5
We have ANPR (automatic number plate recognition) cameras set a mile apart, they check your average speed over that mile and if you exceed the speed limit for that mile you get a ticket. Whole process is automatic. They don't have them everywhere yet!
Now we no longer use tax discs the gov is having them put on all major roads won't be able to go from A to B without someone at C knowing where you are.
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