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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 20:48:31 GMT -5
The answer is to have a legal and well regulated trade. Few if any poach furbearers as Mark mentioned it is regulated and profitable. Make it illegal, and people will still do what they do. Reread my signature quite below, in this context. Ok, so we're going to make it legal to go out and shoot/trap hawks and owls and such...long as you have a permit/license/etc?? Mark is right, they will not. But they should. All organisms have a sustainable take. No reason whatsoever to have a zero limit. That is except if your own a wonderful farm. Then kill away, no permit required.
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Feb 27, 2016 21:24:47 GMT -5
Scott: Problem is the predator- prey ratio. Apex predators like raptors are simply not as numerous as game birds or even song birds so any take is a greater danger to population numbers. More than sustainable "take " is already happening with cars, windows, powerlines, wind farms, pesticides, habitat and food source destruction etc. So your argument is we should allow douchebags to take birds of prey for jewelry and geegaws? Something wrong with that logic! Also, if folks were allowed to use feathers from roadkills or sustainable takes, dumbasses would say " Hey, that's cool stuff , I want some too." and be encouraged to take birds illegally. If everyone knows it's "all" illegal and folks are prosecuted for using raptor parts in jewelry etc, there is no "cool stuff" on display to act as a magnet for dumbass scofflaws.
My pop was a taxidermist and I always had to remind him not to stuff roadkill owls etc. Customers would see them in his shop, want one, and go out and shoot one for themselves, and on and on perpetuating the illegal killing....Mel
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Mark K
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Post by Mark K on Feb 27, 2016 23:24:56 GMT -5
There are plenty of raptors. In some areas there are too many. Here we have eagles coming out of our ears. I found a dead one that got fried on the power lines and I didn't say a word, just was glad one was gone. A friend of mine watched an eagle take his wife's dog for a ride. Dropped it from way up high and then decided it was not worth the trouble. Cost him a fortune. He hates that dog. She loves it.
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Post by krazydiamond on Feb 29, 2016 17:24:07 GMT -5
Well Done, Earthdog! I would have been SO nervous! But, you did the right thing, how exciting!
KD
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Post by rockjunquie on Feb 29, 2016 17:38:12 GMT -5
I don't know about too many birds of prey, but I do know that we get overrun with whitetail deer. It is actually more humane to cull them with regulated hunting than to let them starve to death.
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earthdog
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Post by earthdog on Feb 29, 2016 19:45:13 GMT -5
Good job on the LEO assists! Only thing I would be concerned about is when he is released, he knows where you live. We have guns hidden all over the house and we have dogs that will bark if a fly farts. The Game warden and the sheriff told me that if he comes around or sends anyone else around to just call the sheriff first to get them rolling before I do anything. They also told me that if they take one step in my direction, that is considered an aggressive move and to "be in fear of my safety" before I pull out the .500 S&W Magnum and shoot him.
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Intheswamp
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Post by Intheswamp on Feb 29, 2016 19:46:31 GMT -5
Definitely agree about the deer. Had four get hit by cars a 1/4 mile either side of my house this year. Definitely need culling...as the aroma of frying deer meat drifts past my nostrils.
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victor1941
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Post by victor1941 on Feb 29, 2016 21:19:09 GMT -5
Rockjunquie, do you know what the outcome was for the woman having the turtle skull?
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Post by rockjunquie on Feb 29, 2016 21:25:56 GMT -5
Rockjunquie, do you know what the outcome was for the woman having the turtle skull? She was charged and convicted of a federal crime, but I think she got off easy. She was the boss of my neighbor who I met many times. I don't know all the details, but she didn't go to prison. I know the whole thing cost her a small fortune and she had to sell her condo.... and she didn't even get to keep the shell. When dolphins would wash up, some people from the state would show up and document it, then leave it there. The city had to come in their own sweet time and take care of it.
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