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Post by Pat on Sept 28, 2016 18:33:20 GMT -5
The Bridewells are in the top link--/ for stonesnmotion
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Post by orrum on Sept 28, 2016 19:21:06 GMT -5
Hey thanks Pat, u r a peach!!!
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Post by orrum on Sept 28, 2016 20:01:02 GMT -5
Wow that's a great site for cabs!!! Thanx Pat, looks like Ed is still at the hi end great cabs!!! I love his work!!!
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Post by metalsmith on Sept 29, 2016 9:50:48 GMT -5
wegrowcrystals.comEtsyScience and Art: Bridewell Stone is created from Earth Elements, which are liquified at over 2300 degrees. As the crystallographic activity occurs, the formations come into being, encased in the rock crystal. Each boule is then cut with diamond embedded tools. Those slices of crystals are then shaped and polished by hand. Nature dictates the direction, size, and color of the rutile needles; it is our job to determine how the needles will be viewed in a finished piece. Whilst it is maintained that these stones are not synthetic, under the GIA description / definition they are exactly that.
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Post by roy on Sept 29, 2016 10:16:00 GMT -5
It is really mohs 6 same as jade? its a glass from what i understand
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 10:17:40 GMT -5
It is really mohs 6 same as jade? its a glass from what i understand It is certainly vitrified. But chemical similar to Jade. My question remains.
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Post by orrum on Sept 29, 2016 13:22:00 GMT -5
So what is Imori stone? Glass or true rock?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 15:18:31 GMT -5
So what is Imori stone? Glass or true rock? Neither.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 15:21:43 GMT -5
Bridewell says his crystals are rutile. Titanium dioxide crystals. Not sure he know what he has. orrum I'm assuming by glass you mean like window or stained glass. Amorphous Silicon dioxide. Bridewell doesn't seem to make a chemical claim or did I see same as Jade chemically? Imori did claim chemically similar to jade. And yes, it's synthetic no matter the chemistry. ETA Quote from an etsy page www.wegrowcrystals.com/Volcanic-Black-Bridewell-Stone-Sterling-Silver-Earrings_p_14.html
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Post by gemfeller on Sept 29, 2016 17:49:01 GMT -5
Bridewell says his crystals are rutile. Titanium dioxide crystals. Not sure he know what he has. orrum I'm assuming by glass you mean like window or stained glass. Amorphous Silicon dioxide. Bridewell doesn't seem to make a chemical claim or did I see same as Jade chemically? Improved did claim chemically similar to jade. And yes, it's synthetic no matter the chemistry. Synthetic what? The word implies there's a natural counterpart i.e., synthetic rubber, synthetic oil, synthetic diamond etc. In gemology it's used to describe a man-made material that's essentially chemically and optically identical to naturally-occurring gem materials. It's not a simulant either. Gemologically a simulant is a material that "simulates" or looks like a natural gem i.e., CZ is a diamond simulant. Simulants can be man-made or natural, i.e. Danburite and clear quartz can "simulate" diamonds (without the brilliance and dispersion of course). I don't think Bridewell Stone simulates any known gem material. I don't know how it fits into Federal Trade Commission guidelines and I'm too lazy today to dig them up and read the fine print. I'd call it simply a man-made material used as a gem substitute, until and unless more information is revealed about its actual chemistry. I'd put Victoria Stone into the same category.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 18:18:42 GMT -5
gemfellerIf I take some chemicals and use them to make a material similar in chemistry and form to agate, is that a simulant or a synthetic or some thing else? My query is sincere and not snarky. Imori stone is chemically similar to jade, yet made in a laboratory. It doesn't simulate jade. It became it's own thing. This Bridewell stone is glassy and has a few different descriptions. Yet is still synthesized in laboratory. Again, it's own thing. I'm happy with man made semi precious stone. Maybe the FTC would balk. Meh
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Post by Tommy on Sept 29, 2016 19:50:53 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for my shipment of @shotgunner Solar Stone ... simulant of Fischer stone ... only cooler
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 20:33:23 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for my shipment of @shotgunner Solar Stone ... simulant of Fischer stone ... only cooler Only fails so far. The pores seem to be closed.
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Post by Tommy on Sept 29, 2016 20:36:28 GMT -5
Only fails so far. The pores seem to be closed. Dag-nabbit...
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Post by gemfeller on Sept 29, 2016 22:21:20 GMT -5
gemfeller If I take some chemicals and use them to make a material similar in chemistry and form to agate, is that a simulant or a synthetic or some thing else? My query is sincere and not snarky. Imori stone is chemically similar to jade, yet made in a laboratory. It doesn't simulate jade. It became it's own thing. This Bridewell stone is glassy and has a few different descriptions. Yet is still synthesized in laboratory. Again, it's own thing. I'm happy with man made semi precious stone. Maybe the FTC would balk. Meh "Similar" isn't "identical." If it's not identical it would be a simulant or something entirely new. I have some lab-grown emeralds from Russia. Their physical/optical properties are identical to natural emerald, given very slight chemical variations in natural emeralds from different locations around the world. My comments may sound ultra-picky and academic but they're not. Public confusion about these very specific meanings leads to big rip-offs in the marketplace. Check out this article: www.jckonline.com/2016/02/19/everything-you-need-know-about-synthetic-and-simulant-diamondsWhile the article relates to diamonds only, the same is true of colored stones and their synthetic, simulant or “other” counterparts. The only thing wrong with the FTC is it has no real power to enforce its guidelines. There are some very bad actors out there who make tons of money through misrepresentation and they ought to be in jail. But only the most egregious are ever brought to account. I also strongly disagree with the obsolete term “semi-precious gem.” I and many others in this forum have agates that are worth more than some diamonds. It’s an antiquated, meaningless term used by the jewelry industry to devalue any gem that might interfere with their bread-and-butter specialties, diamond, ruby, emerald, sapphire and in some cases fine precious opal. Truth is, the majority of brick and mortar jewelers are total dunces when it comes to colored gems though they're better educated now than in years past.
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Post by orrum on Sept 30, 2016 8:18:20 GMT -5
Ok I am going to settle this....We had a talk by a leading Gem Lab representative and Gemologist at Quartzsite s couple years ago. How long have synthetic stones been around?? Let's put it this way, don't take grandma's heirloom ruby ring to find out if its real!#! Might be a big surprise !! Next he stated that a lot of modern synthetic stones cannot be separated from the real thing!! Modern science is that good folks! There that's my 2 cents worth.
Oh yea stabilized turquoise can be done with modern silica based products in a lab and you can't tell it from natural!
My opinion is if it's incredible, beautiful, and hard enough to use its good enough for me. Look at some of the old jewelry using glass with the reflective backing, it's very enviable...
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Post by roy on Sept 30, 2016 10:29:07 GMT -5
Ok I am going to settle this....We had a talk by a leading Gem Lab representative and Gemologist at Quartzsite s couple years ago. How long have synthetic stones been around?? Let's put it this way, don't take grandma's heirloom ruby ring to find out if its real!#! Might be a big surprise !! Next he stated that a lot of modern synthetic stones cannot be separated from the real thing!! Modern science is that good folks! There that's my 2 cents worth. Oh yea stabilized turquoise can be done with modern silica based products in a lab and you can't tell it from natural! My opinion is if it's incredible, beautiful, and hard enough to use its good enough for me. Look at some of the old jewelry using glass with the reflective backing, it's very enviable... not so fast buckeroo real is real and fake is fake those that try and sell fake as real = crooks ! so yes there are alot of man made stones out there, some are very interesting but they are just that man made
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Post by rockjunquie on Sept 30, 2016 10:39:40 GMT -5
I would simply say these are man made gems. If they were advertised as such, I would be happy. No need to call them anything else. And, I don't think that saying that would devalue them. Look at demand, availability, eye appeal, durability- those things will determine value. Of course, Victoria stone comes to mind- just look at those prices. I think this guy is on to something BIG.
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Post by orrum on Sept 30, 2016 12:20:31 GMT -5
Oops forgot how much I love your Elk Steaks on the grill!!!
Manage should be so noted I aggree!!
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Post by icatz on Oct 6, 2016 7:39:38 GMT -5
Let's put it this way, don't take grandma's heirloom ruby ring to find out if its real!#! Might be a big surprise !! Found this out the hard way. My "heirloom" ring, an 8 carat old mine cut Kashmir sapphire smuggled out from Russia ~1910 (although the ring was much older) was a shattering disappointment when I had it appraised for insurance. Man made. At some point there was a real Kashmir sapphire in there but maybe they needed the money as the reasons they left Russia for the US weren't happy ones. The old mine cut diamonds are real, but only .25ct each. Also, it had once been set in platinum, but my grandmother had it reset in white 14k gold for some unknown reason in the 40s. So much for my inheritance. And no one in the family knew this, so it was done a long, long time ago.
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