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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 18:26:02 GMT -5
Forest meet trees.
Trees this is the forest.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 9, 2016 21:29:52 GMT -5
Let's legalize human trade too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 0:40:21 GMT -5
Let's legalize human trade too. Or, the converse. We could ban all mind altering drugs. Here is my starter list. Tobacco Ethyl Alcohol Then at least we would have parity for the class. The alcohol ban experiment has been done. Many died in the prohibition too. So the government quit. They relented on that ban. See? The lawmakers really liked their whisky, a lot! I do believe people are starting to die from incremental bans of tobacco too. I seem to remember a cigarette runner was shot by NYPD because he was selling 'singles' and resisted arrest for this petty law. Ban any chemical you want. But to support that ban is to support the loss of innocent lives that are taken as a direct result of that ban. And no. I don't support human trade. Thankfully, so few folks do, that it is as close to non existent as possible. We have no evidence what was being smuggled by the scum that murdered these fishermen. Does it matter if it was pot or heroin? If it was heroin, do those fisherman deserve hero status in the war on drugs? They lost their lives for it. Maybe a medal for their loved ones. I'm sure that will quell the emotions of their families. I will quietly mourn another innocent life lost to the petty and dangerous war on drugs. Alone.
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Post by captbob on Dec 10, 2016 0:58:03 GMT -5
We have no evidence what was being smuggled by the scum that murdered these fishermen. Does it matter if it was pot or heroin? If it was heroin, do those fisherman deserve hero status in the war on drugs? They lost their lives for it. Maybe a medal for their loved ones. I'm sure that will quell the emotions of their families. I will quietly mourn another innocent life lost to the petty and dangerous war on drugs. Alone. Where did you read/see that this had anything to do with smuggling drugs? Are you assuming this or did I miss something?
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Post by jamesp on Dec 10, 2016 5:56:09 GMT -5
Cigarettes and alcohol not equal to meth and crack. Humans can function quite well using those. Marijuana, cigarettes and alcohol. Legalized meth and crack ? The concept is laughable and the results on the country devastating. After 3 months the people would be crying to make such drugs illegal. Or robbing every market that sells it to feed their growing habit. Like the effects of liquor stores on the local area and their high target rate for robberies.: In a study at the University of California/Riverside comparing federal crime data for youths, ages 13 to 24, to a wide range of factors, including the density of liquor (and beer and wine) outlets, in 91 of the biggest US cities, researchers found that a higher concentration of booze businesses was significantly linked to higher rates of homicide. Access to alcohol was right up there with poverty, drugs, guns and gangs. And of all these causes, only liquor stores are even remotely susceptible to direct control. “Our findings suggest that reducing alcohol outlet density should significantly reduce the trends of youth homicide,” said Robert N. Parker, co-author of the UC/Riverside study. www.thefix.com/content/liquor-store-violent-crime-compstat8751Dozens of studies on the effect of liquor stores, another in LA: www.colgate.edu/portaldata/imagegallerywww/2050/ImageGallery/teh_jobmktpaper.pdfLOL, you think alcohol is bad, wait till you see the effect of Joe's Discount Meth. Perhaps a boost in sales for cosmetology, teeth implants, health care costs, funeral homes, etc would pump up the economy. Hey ! There is Scott, he just stopped by Joe's Discount Meth. Let's follow him and mug him for his stash. Waiting in line at Joe's Discount Meth Assuming you are trying to get a rise from rational minds ? Uh, regulated, taxed = laws (your words) "All drugs must be legal. All will be cheap, safe and regulated and taxed." And the 'not safe' drugs, what to do about them ? Yes, you make them illegal. Right back to the beginning. Or is meth and crack safe ? Not in my dictionary. Regulating meth, lol, increase police X10 X100 This debate should be in Life, the Universe and Everything. Or does cannabinoids make good padding for rocks in a rotary ?
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Post by MrMike on Dec 10, 2016 6:33:30 GMT -5
If said drugs are regulated & taxed then they won't be cheap. An illegal black market develops for cheaper legal drugs which would now be illegal because they are not obtained through the legal, regulated & taxed routes. Déjà vu all over again.....
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Post by jamesp on Dec 10, 2016 6:42:39 GMT -5
If said drugs are regulated & taxed then they won't be cheap. An illegal black market develops for cheaper legal drugs which would now be illegal because they are not obtained through the legal, regulated & taxed routes. Déjà vu all over again..... What Scott fails to understand is the fact all drugs not created equal. Cigs and alcohol don't have the devastating impacts of meth and crack. In no way are they comparable apples for apples.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 10:07:02 GMT -5
So innocent people get to die, so we can try to keep users from using.
Personally, I think users can die and save the innocent lives.
However, you assume facts not in evidence regarding usage after legalisation. It is my firm feeling the devastation you assume simply won't happen.
Why? you should ask.
Because legal or not. 100% (or very near) of the set of people that want to use crack or speed are already doing so!! The Shit is common and easily obtained.
I don't believe for one nanosecond that if speed or crack were 100% legal today that even one person would say:
I don't believe you believe that either. Maybe you do. Wow
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 10:15:32 GMT -5
If said drugs are regulated & taxed then they won't be cheap. An illegal black market develops for cheaper legal drugs which would now be illegal because they are not obtained through the legal, regulated & taxed routes. Déjà vu all over again..... Naw. Alcohol, tobacco and pot are taxed and regulated and black market is all but non existent. At least in states were pot is legal. And in new York they did get crazed with taxation on tobacco and south Carolina is on I95 so smuggling there does occur. but that is a government problem too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 10:19:12 GMT -5
If said drugs are regulated & taxed then they won't be cheap. An illegal black market develops for cheaper legal drugs which would now be illegal because they are not obtained through the legal, regulated & taxed routes. Déjà vu all over again..... What Scott fails to understand is the fact all drugs not created equal. Cigs and alcohol don't have the devastating impacts of meth and crack. In no way are they comparable apples for apples. Devastation isn't real. Myriad of folks are using and functional. My old boss was hooked on heroin. His wife too. She an attorney and he a chemical engineer. I've known others. I have also known dozens of Meth addicts. None of the above have died. Just functioned. ETA: And to address "not created equal" You were the one that equated them with human trafficking. Lol And yes, they have different effects on the human mind. But all are desired by many, and for the most part tolerated and self regulated.
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Post by Fossilman on Dec 10, 2016 10:22:27 GMT -5
Hell I thought this would lead to some tumbled rocks!!
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Post by jamesp on Dec 10, 2016 10:27:06 GMT -5
If it was readily available more would try it. Fear of the law and fear of the dangerous pusher man is a preventative for most people today. I did look up the effect of alcohol outlets blindly figuring they had a negative effect on neighborhoods. Easy and legal availability of crack or meth would invite many at a weak moment or trying time to give it a go. Manufacturers would name it different and make it appealing thru marketing strategies. Only to get grabbed by the powerful forces of addiction. It is the addictive influence that makes those drugs so dangerous.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 10, 2016 10:30:36 GMT -5
What Scott fails to understand is the fact all drugs not created equal. Cigs and alcohol don't have the devastating impacts of meth and crack. In no way are they comparable apples for apples. Devastation isn't real. Myriad of folks are using and functional. My old boss was hooked on heroin. His wife too. She an attorney and he a chemical engineer. I've known others. I have also known dozens of Meth addicts. None of the above have died. Just functioned. Some may function. Many won't. Meth is known for cooking your body parts. Think about youth...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 10:41:22 GMT -5
I guess, for you, collateral damage on Falcon Lake and across America is exceptable in the effort to keep Meth addicts from being Meth addicts.
Not for me. Innocent non drug using folks must be safe. Something this thread proves simply isn't true with todays scheme.
You may have the last word.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 10, 2016 11:04:27 GMT -5
No interest in last word, only discussing. Just not comfortable with over-the-counter meth.
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Post by captbob on Dec 10, 2016 11:13:02 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Dec 10, 2016 12:25:10 GMT -5
Ya mean that solar agate ? If ya can't grind it(him) ya might as well argue with it(him).
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