Mark K
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Post by Mark K on Apr 19, 2017 16:08:09 GMT -5
She said that my heart is not pumping correctly. The main part is driving at about 20%. That explains why I am always so tired and out of breath.
She says I am going to take aspirin and go see the cardiologist.
She says she has seen some people come out of it ok.
So, either I will get better or they will find my bones out in the desert somewhere.
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 19, 2017 16:13:44 GMT -5
She said that my heart is not pumping correctly. The main part is driving at about 20%. That explains why I am always so tired and out of breath. She says I am going to take aspirin and go see the cardiologist. She says she has seen some people come out of it ok. So, either I will get better or they will find my bones out in the desert somewhere. Dude! That has to be scary! I hope the best for you, for sure. Maybe it will be nothing big and correctable on it's own.
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Post by jakesrocks on Apr 19, 2017 16:19:44 GMT -5
Dang man, and you were offering to come by here and help me out ? Don't need you collapsing over here. Doubt if I could pick you up. I'd have to tie a rope around your ankles and drag you with my lawn tractor.
Seriously though, get that ticker checked out, and take care of yourself. Lots of rocks out there that need collecting.
Don
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Post by Mark K on Apr 19, 2017 16:19:57 GMT -5
I am not the least bit scared. Last week I was in the ER with a possible heart attack. It wasn't, but even then I was not the least bit scared. I never developed fear. I don't know what it feels like.
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Post by Mark K on Apr 19, 2017 16:23:47 GMT -5
Dang man, and you were offering to come by here and help me out ? Don't need you collapsing over here. Doubt if I could pick you up. I'd have to tie a rope around your ankles and drag you with my lawn tractor. Seriously though, get that ticker checked out, and take care of yourself. Lots of rocks out there that need collecting. Don The offer still stands. All of the way up to when I pull out of the driveway. I have had this for a few years apparently and I didn't die yet. Even when I climbed that mountain in ID 3 times in a day.
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Post by 1dave on Apr 19, 2017 16:24:05 GMT -5
There is a reason why we have fear. it is a life saver.
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Mark K
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Post by Mark K on Apr 19, 2017 16:40:07 GMT -5
It is a miracle I am still alive. I know that fear is supposed to keep us from doing stuff that can get you hurt, but when it never develops, you can have some crazy adventures.
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Post by Tommy on Apr 19, 2017 17:36:47 GMT -5
Dang Mark ... so what do you think they'll recommend next?
Having climbed all over the side of a hill with you a few years ago (showing you where all the good agate was at of course) - I wouldn't have guessed in a million years I'd hear about this from you. Do what they say to do - lucky it was caught like this and not the other way.
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Post by Mark K on Apr 19, 2017 19:00:57 GMT -5
She wants me to take one aspirin a day and she is going to rush me into the Cardiologist. I don't know what the rush is.
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Post by Pat on Apr 19, 2017 19:03:34 GMT -5
Good luck to you! Wow!
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Post by orrum on Apr 19, 2017 20:23:49 GMT -5
Stress test on the way for sure. Probably roto rooter at a minimum. Hang in there and they will rebuild you just like the six million dollar man!
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Post by grizman on Apr 19, 2017 20:30:06 GMT -5
Best of luck with the diagnosis. Having heart issues, currently and in the past, I too can say that I did not have any fear, but a whole bunch of concern! Here's hoping that it all turns out in only the best way. The one thing I do know is that we only have ONE heart, so we dang well better take good care of it.
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Post by Mark K on Apr 19, 2017 20:53:21 GMT -5
Stress test on the way for sure. Probably roto rooter at a minimum. Hang in there and they will rebuild you just like the six million dollar man! The stress test is how they found the problem.
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Post by radio on Apr 19, 2017 21:20:53 GMT -5
Good luck and hope you get it fixed soon! If you don't have fear, please develop a strong sense of caution! 20% function can go to 0% function in a heartbeat, no pun intended.
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Post by vegasjames on Apr 20, 2017 0:54:43 GMT -5
She said that my heart is not pumping correctly. The main part is driving at about 20%. That explains why I am always so tired and out of breath. She says I am going to take aspirin and go see the cardiologist. She says she has seen some people come out of it ok. So, either I will get better or they will find my bones out in the desert somewhere. Sound like a heart block. These can be common and can disappear on their own. I used to have a right bundle branch block when I was younger but it has since disappeared on its own. Never gave me a problem, in fact I was super active at the time. Something I would recommend is supplementing with magnesium malate. Magnesium has been shown to have various beneficial effects on the heart and rest of the vascular system including helping with proper electrical conduction also giving it an anti-arrhythmic effect, increasing heart function by increasing ATP levels and acting like a natural calcium channel blocker to name a few. Here are a few studies on this: Effects of Magnesium Sulfate on Cardiac Conduction and Refractoriness in Humans www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109786801577If you look at the references on this study they reference many other studies on the beneficial effects of magnesium on heart function. The Electrophysiological Effects of Intravenous Magnesium on Human Sinus Node, Atrioventricular Node, Atrium, and Ventricle onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/clc.4960120204/pdfI prefer magnesium malate for several reasons. One being an acidified form of magnesium it is much better absorbed and utilized than non-acidified forms such as magnesium oxide, and is not caustic like magnesium oxide. Secondly, both the magnesium and the malic acid used to make the malate and added in excess in some magnesium malate products both increase ATP levels. ATP (adenosine triphosphate) allows the cells to function and function properly. Low levels can lead to serious health problems such as heart failure. For example, cholesterol lowering statin drugs are well known for causing heart failure. If you ever listen to the commercials for these drugs they warn to tell your doctor if you experience muscle pain or weakness. This is due to the drugs depleting CoQ10, which in turn leads to a loss of muscular ATP resulting in a muscle breakdown known as rhabdomyolosis. The heart is a muscle and is as prone to statin induced rhabdomyolosis as skeletal muscle. CoQ10 and/or magnesium malate supplementation can help reduce the risk of rhabdomyolosis by increasing heart cell ATP levels. Because the ATP also acts like a natural calcium channel blocker this can help by reducing blood pressure in cases of calcium induced hypertension (the most common cause) and increases blood flow to the heart, which both increases ATP and reduces arrhythmias by reducing cardiac irritability and thus ectopic pacemakers. Also be careful with the aspirin. I know it is often recommend as a blood thinner, but it can also lead to peptic ulcers since it is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory (NSAID) compound. In short NSAIDs are used to control inflammation by blocking inflammatory prostaglandins. When there is an injury these prostaglandins cause the blood vessels to dilate allowing more oxygen and nutrients to reach the injured area, which promotes healing. But over-dilation of the blood vessels makes them permeable, which leads to fluid leakage through the blood vessels resulting in swelling and pain. NSAIDs counter these prostaglandins leading to blood vessel constriction, which reduces swelling but also inhibits the healing process. And in some cases can lead to heart attack, stroke, hepatitis or liver failure, kidney failure, loss of vision, tinnitus, etc. For the same reason and contrary to the claims of the aspirin manufacturers taking an aspirin is not good for the heart and is the worse thing a person can do during a heart attack as studies have shown. The heart muscle is also being deprived of oxygen. Constricting the blood vessels further by antagonizing inflammatory prostaglandins further reduces the blood flow to the heart making the condition worse. The anti-thrombus effects of taking an aspirin during a heart attack is not strong enough or fast enough to be beneficial. And we have to keep in mind that most heart attacks are not due to thrombus to begin with but other things such as embolus or vasospasm. Anyway, the reason I was explaining prostaglandins and their association with aspirin is because there is also a prostaglandin that is needed for the production of the stomach's protective lining. The reason aspirin is so well known to cause peptic ulcer and even hemorrhage is from the aspirin also inhibiting this prostaglandin. Therefore the stomach does not properly form a protective lining allowing the stomach acid to ulcerate the stomach. And the blood thinning effect can lead to hemorrhage when this happens. It is estimated there are 5,000 annual deaths attributed to aspirin and nearly 17,000 from NSAIDs in general. Many of these are due to NSAID induced internal hemorrhage. In my grandfather's case he lost his eyesight in one eye from aspirin induced hemorrhage of the eye. Personally I think a good quality fish oil or fibinolytic enzymes or herbs are a much better choice as they do not interfere with prostaglandins and thus also do not adversely affect the heart.
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Post by MrP on Apr 20, 2017 4:10:51 GMT -5
You take care..........................................MrP
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Post by geezer on Apr 20, 2017 7:41:37 GMT -5
She wants me to take one aspirin a day and she is going to rush me into the Cardiologist. I don't know what the rush is. The rush is due to the Cardiologist having a payment due on the condo in Florida. When I had my heart attack I didn't have any fear. When they said my Wife had colon cancer I was scared shitless! Both turned out OK in the end!
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Post by vegasjames on Apr 20, 2017 14:30:53 GMT -5
She wants me to take one aspirin a day and she is going to rush me into the Cardiologist. I don't know what the rush is. The rush is due to the Cardiologist having a payment due on the condo in Florida. When I had my heart attack I didn't have any fear. When they said my Wife had colon cancer I was scared shitless! Both turned out OK in the end! Yes, doctors like to instill fear so people will not take the time to think about things or to get a second opinion. I have seen this so many times especially when the people were misdiagnosed with cancer that they did not have.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 15:26:47 GMT -5
The rush is due to the Cardiologist having a payment due on the condo in Florida. When I had my heart attack I didn't have any fear. When they said my Wife had colon cancer I was scared shitless! Both turned out OK in the end! Yes, doctors like to instill fear so people will not take the time to think about things or to get a second opinion. I have seen this so many times especially when the people were misdiagnosed with cancer that they did not have. In sales we call this building urgency. Causes folks to buy more often. Doctors are salesmen. Period. They are selling treatments. They start with you having an ailment. They make it seem acute. Causing you to spend money on urgent visits that aren't necessary. Mark, you are quite astute to ask how long you have had this, and then reason you don't have a huge hurry. You are also a tough dude. Being tough extends time for conditions to worsen. I agree you don't have an acute problem. But do follow thru with the checkups. All the best amigo.
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Post by Intheswamp on Apr 20, 2017 15:57:46 GMT -5
20%? That means 80% blockage...? Take it easy, dude, till you find out what's going. Next stop...cath lab. I found I had 70% blockage...LBBB...left bundle branch block two or three years ago. I'd had it for a few years, apparently. My "tell" was that I'd work a hive or two of honey bees and be completely wiped out...I'd walk up the hill to the house and once inside collapse on the floor with my bee jacket still on. Lay there a while, cool down, the "pressure feeling" would subside and I'd go back and work a couple more hives. As it turns out there appears to be two things that are big triggers for angina...rushing/hurrying and walking uphill. When working honey bees you are hurrying to get through the hive (the longer you keep the hive open the more PO'd all those ladies get!!!)...trying to hurry through the hives would get me started down the slippery slope...then I would walk UPHILL to the house. Prior to finding out about my blockage I couldn't figure out how my 80+ year old beekeeping mentor could work bees all day and never get tired...now I know. The cardilogist can determine more exactly what's going on with the heart cath. Did your doctor say anything about left or right side? The human body is an amazing creation. As the artery gets blocked it begins to perform it's own "bypass" by creating a maze of small vessels through the fatty built up bulge of the artery. These bypasses work pretty good as long as you don't try to push too much blood through them...they can't handle a full flow like an unobstructed artery can. That's why some people have angina when they become physically active and the body calls for a larger volume of blood to be pumped...the larger volume can't squeeze through those small vessels. When they're at ease the smaller vessels are sufficient. Some people, though, can have angina without exerting themselves. Since my cath the doctor wanted to have a stent put in. I'm thinking he told me that they don't do anything intrusive until you hit 80% blockage...makes me wonder if that's an insurance thing. I asked if I could get by with a diet and meds and he agreed to it. I take my meds faithfully...the diet,...well, one out of two ain't bad. I'm no medical person so hopefully I didn't get to far out in left field...hopefully vegasjames can straighten me out if I erred to badly. Get to the cardiologist and see what he says. Best wishes, Ed
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