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Post by rockjunquie on Aug 23, 2017 21:39:11 GMT -5
I just want to add that EZ solder tarnishes easier and the color is a hair off. It has less silver in it, which is why it melts easier. I like to use each hardness and try to avoid EZ if possible.
I think it's cool that you are getting into this. I bet you'll do great!
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Post by Don on Aug 24, 2017 14:56:04 GMT -5
I just want to add that EZ solder tarnishes easier and the color is a hair off. It has less silver in it, which is why it melts easier. I like to use each hardness and try to avoid EZ if possible. I think it's cool that you are getting into this. I bet you'll do great! Hard solder has the best color match because it contains the most actual silver. The lower temps are achieved by reducing the silver content and replacing with zinc and tin.
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Post by timloco on Aug 26, 2017 16:18:20 GMT -5
I started on a plumber's propane torch, it's cheap and puts out plenty of heat anyways. It works. You're gonna melt stuff at first anyways might as well learn what it looks like :-) I agree on the hard solder it looks best and for simple bezels it works just fine.
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Post by accidentalrockhound on Aug 26, 2017 18:24:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the tips,as I was looking into the types of solder I noticed the silver content of each I ordered hard ,medium, easy. More of the hard and medium,also some 16-14 gauge sheet,1/8" and 3/16" bezal wire.flux,pickle,smithing looks like a lot of fun to fun not to try, if I can not get the hznb of it o my own I may take a class at mh local CC ,150$ for the class and 60$ for materials.I just figured I'm pretty handy and I could put that 210$ into supplies insted,pretty confident in my skilz.Thanks all
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Post by Pat on Aug 26, 2017 18:30:43 GMT -5
Which torch did you buy? Did you get the extender hose? I'm considering it.
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Post by accidentalrockhound on Aug 26, 2017 19:32:01 GMT -5
Which torch did you buy? Did you get the extender hose? I'm considering it. Yeah Pat, that was the first thing I went and bought, went to the local flea market today and found y bottles propane for 1$ each,I'm ready I think.
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Post by Rockoonz on Aug 26, 2017 22:37:33 GMT -5
Which torch did you buy? Did you get the extender hose? I'm considering it. Yeah Pat, that was the first thing I went and bought, went to the local flea market today and found y bottles propane for 1$ each,I'm ready I think. y bottles? Is this an algebra problem?
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Post by accidentalrockhound on Aug 27, 2017 1:05:31 GMT -5
Yeah Pat, that was the first thing I went and bought, went to the local flea market today and found y bottles propane for 1$ each,I'm ready I think. y bottles? Is this an algebra problem? Y=5@1$=good deal 4 me. Because I only have X $'s to spend. Rockoonz you just made this hard.
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Post by coloradocliff on Aug 27, 2017 2:51:23 GMT -5
y bottles? Is this an algebra problem? Y=5@1$=good deal 4 me. Because I only have X $'s to spend. Rockoonz you just made this hard. Don't you ever sleep Frank? Going to the rock and mineral show in Denver? Since the knee got cut early I can get there. What about timloco ryan and the other Colorado crew? Anyone not going? Be a good place maybe to pickup some material or make connections....
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Post by Rockoonz on Aug 27, 2017 15:28:34 GMT -5
y bottles? Is this an algebra problem? Y=5@1$=good deal 4 me. Because I only have X $'s to spend. Rockoonz you just made this hard. Algebra was originally developed in the middle east. Terrorists!
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Post by rockjunquie on Aug 27, 2017 17:13:41 GMT -5
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Post by timloco on Aug 29, 2017 19:25:55 GMT -5
Y=5@1$=good deal 4 me. Because I only have X $'s to spend. Rockoonz you just made this hard. Don't you ever sleep Frank? Going to the rock and mineral show in Denver? Since the knee got cut early I can get there. What about timloco ryan and the other Colorado crew? Anyone not going? Be a good place maybe to pickup some material or make connections....
I'm going! Not sure what day yet though.
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Post by Rockoonz on Aug 29, 2017 19:49:46 GMT -5
Makes sense, back in school it seemed to me like the teacher would babble-on. Seriously though, base 60 makes sense, also the reason a 12 inch foot and 3 foot yard are easier for building calculations.
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Post by chassroc on Sept 15, 2017 10:27:20 GMT -5
I have been frustrated with the mini Butane torches but admit to not devoting a lot of time to develop technique; they just don't seem to produce enough heat for metal pieces except thin sheet and wire or very low melting points.
I have never tried the plumbers torch with propane or MAP.
Is the heat output of MAP a factor that lets it work on larger pieces of metal; Is it the size of the flame with a plumbers torch? Is that setup safe to store in a heated basement?
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Post by zekesman on Sept 15, 2017 14:39:56 GMT -5
I have been frustrated with the mini Butane torches but admit to not devoting a lot of time to develop technique; they just don't seem to produce enough heat for metal pieces except thin sheet and wire or very low melting points. I have never tried the plumbers torch with propane or MAP. Is the heat output of MAP a factor that lets it work on larger pieces of metal; Is it the size of the flame with a plumbers torch? Is that setup safe to store in a heated basement? I have a acetylene only torch. It mixes air with the flame at the torch head. Acetylene is not that dangerous unless mixed with oxygen. I feel very safe keeping this in my basement where I do all my silver work. Vic
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Post by Rockoonz on Sept 15, 2017 15:20:43 GMT -5
zekesman tell your insurance guy about that tank and see what happens. Acetylene is explosive and unstable the entire contents of a standard rv sized bottle of propane has less explosive potential than an uncompressed cubic yard of acetylene. if the tank valve fails in a room that doesn't have special electric fixtures and a spark happens, no more house.
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Post by Rockoonz on Sept 15, 2017 15:34:53 GMT -5
I have been frustrated with the mini Butane torches but admit to not devoting a lot of time to develop technique; they just don't seem to produce enough heat for metal pieces except thin sheet and wire or very low melting points. I have never tried the plumbers torch with propane or MAP. Is the heat output of MAP a factor that lets it work on larger pieces of metal; Is it the size of the flame with a plumbers torch? Is that setup safe to store in a heated basement? Try the torch and extension hose, unless you're doing really large pieces with thick gauge sheet you won't need mapp gas. In the class I took when I first learned to work with this setup they had a large torch head for annealing larger sheets, a friend has a weed burner wand he uses for raising copper. The only thing I use butane for is waving over the top of mixed epoxy resin to pull the air bubbles out.
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Post by zekesman on Sept 16, 2017 9:44:25 GMT -5
zekesman tell your insurance guy about that tank and see what happens. Acetylene is explosive and unstable the entire contents of a standard rv sized bottle of propane has less explosive potential than an uncompressed cubic yard of acetylene. if the tank valve fails in a room that doesn't have special electric fixtures and a spark happens, no more house. I will bet you any amount of $ you care to lose I can find 10 to 1. Probably 1000 to 1 incidences of natural gas or propane explosions to Acetylene. Ask anyone who is a welder if they have ever heard of an acetylene explosion. Ask them how it burns without oxygen. I also have lots of smokless powder in my basemen I don' tell the insurance about. Vic
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Post by zekesman on Sept 16, 2017 9:58:48 GMT -5
Rockoonz I would also bet that it was mixed with oxygen in the video. jamesp ?
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Post by timloco on Sept 16, 2017 14:08:58 GMT -5
zekesman tell your insurance guy about that tank and see what happens. Acetylene is explosive and unstable the entire contents of a standard rv sized bottle of propane has less explosive potential than an uncompressed cubic yard of acetylene. if the tank valve fails in a room that doesn't have special electric fixtures and a spark happens, no more house. I was taught that propane is more dangerous than acetylene because it pools up, it's heavier than air. The class I went to through the local metal smiths had acetylene/air setups I imagine their insurance person checked it out.
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