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Post by lookatthat on Dec 21, 2017 13:19:07 GMT -5
Shingles can vary considerably with symptoms. My father did not have much, if any, fever, nor the classic chest/beltline rash. He had a headache and pain over one eye, which later had minor swelling/scabbing. I made him go to the doctor right away due to the eye involvement, and they said it was shingles.
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Post by lookatthat on Dec 21, 2017 13:27:34 GMT -5
If you are going to go gluten-free, it's much more intensive than just cutting out wheat. For example, not only can you not have wheat bread, you also can't use the same toaster that has been used for wheat bread, the butter that might have wheat crumbs in it, the dessert that may have touched something with wheat in it.
If you're thinking celiac disease, you also must fanatically avoid barley and rye. No more malted milk balls or beef barley soup. No more Rice Krispy Treats unless made with the gluten-free crisped rice. I was "glutened" a couple weeks ago by a celiac who talked like she knew it all and swore that Rice Krispy Treats were gluten-free. As I miserably found out later, NOT!!! The malt flavoring in them comes from barley.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 15:21:06 GMT -5
If you are going to go gluten-free, it's much more intensive than just cutting out wheat. For example, not only can you not have wheat bread, you also can't use the same toaster that has been used for wheat bread, the butter that might have wheat crumbs in it, the dessert that may have touched something with wheat in it. If you're thinking celiac disease, you also must fanatically avoid barley and rye. No more malted milk balls or beef barley soup. No more Rice Krispy Treats unless made with the gluten-free crisped rice. I was "glutened" a couple weeks ago by a celiac who talked like she knew it all and swore that Rice Krispy Treats were gluten-free. As I miserably found out later, NOT!!! The malt flavoring in them comes from barley. For me the gluten free doesn't need to be so orthodox as tossing the toaster. That's hardcore. Celiacs do this. I use a toaster oven and could get away with thoroughly cleaning the shelf. Yes, Wheat, barley and rye all have gluten as do most beers and even some distilled spirits. Also, many protein supplements will have glutamate proteins. The question, when it's an allergy and not celiac, is; how much can one tolerate? I will eat those damned pretzels occasionally and suffer the next day. It's worth it sometimes.
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 21, 2017 18:09:28 GMT -5
Shingles can vary considerably with symptoms. My father did not have much, if any, fever, nor the classic chest/beltline rash. He had a headache and pain over one eye, which later had minor swelling/scabbing. I made him go to the doctor right away due to the eye involvement, and they said it was shingles. Yes, it can vary, especially with minor cases and yes it can hit other areas. My point was that the original symptoms listed did not sound like shingles. For example there was no mention of severe pain nor the blistering rash, which are common symptoms.
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 21, 2017 18:10:54 GMT -5
If you are going to go gluten-free, it's much more intensive than just cutting out wheat. For example, not only can you not have wheat bread, you also can't use the same toaster that has been used for wheat bread, the butter that might have wheat crumbs in it, the dessert that may have touched something with wheat in it. If you're thinking celiac disease, you also must fanatically avoid barley and rye. No more malted milk balls or beef barley soup. No more Rice Krispy Treats unless made with the gluten-free crisped rice. I was "glutened" a couple weeks ago by a celiac who talked like she knew it all and swore that Rice Krispy Treats were gluten-free. As I miserably found out later, NOT!!! The malt flavoring in them comes from barley. For me the gluten free doesn't need to be so orthodox as tossing the toaster. That's hardcore. Celiacs do this. I use a toaster oven and could get away with thoroughly cleaning the shelf. Yes, Wheat, barley and rye all have gluten as do most beers and even some distilled spirits. Also, many protein supplements will have glutamate proteins. The question, when it's an allergy and not celiac, is; how much can one tolerate? I will eat those damned pretzels occasionally and suffer the next day. It's worth it sometimes. Don't forget oats. But if the problem is a gluten allergy the person can be fine with one form of gluten and not another.
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Post by peachfront on Dec 21, 2017 20:30:25 GMT -5
Well, I don't think she's a doctor. What do you want for ~$800 an hour? She was merciful enough to forego xrays and bloodwork so at least i'm not out on the street. I think (hope) it's a reasonable diagnosis, the very severe pain part is 100% and i began developing bumpy rashes after a few days of pain. None on my torso just the left arm and hand. It sounds like shingles to me. The sooner you treat the pain, the lower the risk of lifelong agonizing pain. This is a disease where you need to get advice from somebody who went to medical school for a few years. Take the medicine she prescribes, including the pain meds. (I don't like pain meds either but the risk of lifelong pain is not worth taking, especially since you already delayed seeking treatment.) Weird diets and herbs that take your money while delaying professional care can result in a lifetime of pain that could have been prevented. I'm not sure if they know the reason for this, but perhaps someone knows... as a layperson, I get the impression the brain can be retrained to feel lasting pain if pain is not treated quickly enough. I think you can get a free shingles shot at age 62 but I've known people to get shingles earlier, so it's a problem. Got nothing to do with diet, herbs, or any of that. It's a virus.
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 21, 2017 23:49:39 GMT -5
Well, I don't think she's a doctor. What do you want for ~$800 an hour? She was merciful enough to forego xrays and bloodwork so at least i'm not out on the street. I think (hope) it's a reasonable diagnosis, the very severe pain part is 100% and i began developing bumpy rashes after a few days of pain. None on my torso just the left arm and hand. It sounds like shingles to me. The sooner you treat the pain, the lower the risk of lifelong agonizing pain. This is a disease where you need to get advice from somebody who went to medical school for a few years. Take the medicine she prescribes, including the pain meds. (I don't like pain meds either but the risk of lifelong pain is not worth taking, especially since you already delayed seeking treatment.) Weird diets and herbs that take your money while delaying professional care can result in a lifetime of pain that could have been prevented. I'm not sure if they know the reason for this, but perhaps someone knows... as a layperson, I get the impression the brain can be retrained to feel lasting pain if pain is not treated quickly enough. I think you can get a free shingles shot at age 62 but I've known people to get shingles earlier, so it's a problem. Got nothing to do with diet, herbs, or any of that. It's a virus. Very true. It's a virus that has been latent in your body if you have ever had the chicken pox. I had an extreme case at 13 y/o. Still have plenty of scars. I had shingles a couple years ago. The bumps and itching were minimal, but the pain.... omg, I thought I was having a heart attack. My shingles went from the middle of my chest across to under my arm and down the underside. Very, very painful. I had no clue what it was. It wasn't the sort of pain you could blame on something else- unless, in my case, it was a heart attack with pain in my chest radiating down my left arm. I never get anything simple. It always has to be weird. By the time I saw the doc, it was too late to get much help. I took the valtrex, but I was pretty much over it. I'm sure I'll get it again. Ah, the joys of aging.
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 22, 2017 0:38:34 GMT -5
Well, I don't think she's a doctor. What do you want for ~$800 an hour? She was merciful enough to forego xrays and bloodwork so at least i'm not out on the street. I think (hope) it's a reasonable diagnosis, the very severe pain part is 100% and i began developing bumpy rashes after a few days of pain. None on my torso just the left arm and hand. It sounds like shingles to me. The sooner you treat the pain, the lower the risk of lifelong agonizing pain. This is a disease where you need to get advice from somebody who went to medical school for a few years. Take the medicine she prescribes, including the pain meds. (I don't like pain meds either but the risk of lifelong pain is not worth taking, especially since you already delayed seeking treatment.) Weird diets and herbs that take your money while delaying professional care can result in a lifetime of pain that could have been prevented. I'm not sure if they know the reason for this, but perhaps someone knows... as a layperson, I get the impression the brain can be retrained to feel lasting pain if pain is not treated quickly enough. I think you can get a free shingles shot at age 62 but I've known people to get shingles earlier, so it's a problem. Got nothing to do with diet, herbs, or any of that. It's a virus. Why are you bashing diets and herbs? They can help actually address the problem unlike "professional care", which can only mask symptoms. For example a person with shingles can go on a low arginine diet since arginine can trigger the virus. When has the "professionals" ever told anyone that fact? And lysine is a well known holistic therapy for shingles since the lysine antagonizes arginine. Again something the professionals don't tell people probably because they never bothered to learn what triggers the virus. Diets can also contain antiviral polyphenols shown to kill free herpes viruses. A diet lower in simple sugars can also support better immune function since the sugars compete with vitamin C for transport in to white blood cells. Then there are various herbs with proven anti-viral properties and therapies like ozone therapy that can actually destroy the virus in the nerves since ozone can go where the dangerous pharmaceuticals provided by the "professionals" cannot go. The difference between holistic and allopathic therapies is that holistic medicine seeks to address the cause and thus get rid of the problem. Allopathic medicine seeks to mask symptoms thus not addressing the cause.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 1:31:50 GMT -5
Well, I don't think she's a doctor. What do you want for ~$800 an hour? She was merciful enough to forego xrays and bloodwork so at least i'm not out on the street. I think (hope) it's a reasonable diagnosis, the very severe pain part is 100% and i began developing bumpy rashes after a few days of pain. None on my torso just the left arm and hand. It sounds like shingles to me. The sooner you treat the pain, the lower the risk of lifelong agonizing pain. This is a disease where you need to get advice from somebody who went to medical school for a few years. Take the medicine she prescribes, including the pain meds. (I don't like pain meds either but the risk of lifelong pain is not worth taking, especially since you already delayed seeking treatment.) Weird diets and herbs that take your money while delaying professional care can result in a lifetime of pain that could have been prevented. I'm not sure if they know the reason for this, but perhaps someone knows... as a layperson, I get the impression the brain can be retrained to feel lasting pain if pain is not treated quickly enough. I think you can get a free shingles shot at age 62 but I've known people to get shingles earlier, so it's a problem. Got nothing to do with diet, herbs, or any of that. It's a virus. IF the diagnosis is correct, it's a virus.
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 22, 2017 3:02:40 GMT -5
It sounds like shingles to me. The sooner you treat the pain, the lower the risk of lifelong agonizing pain. This is a disease where you need to get advice from somebody who went to medical school for a few years. Take the medicine she prescribes, including the pain meds. (I don't like pain meds either but the risk of lifelong pain is not worth taking, especially since you already delayed seeking treatment.) Weird diets and herbs that take your money while delaying professional care can result in a lifetime of pain that could have been prevented. I'm not sure if they know the reason for this, but perhaps someone knows... as a layperson, I get the impression the brain can be retrained to feel lasting pain if pain is not treated quickly enough. I think you can get a free shingles shot at age 62 but I've known people to get shingles earlier, so it's a problem. Got nothing to do with diet, herbs, or any of that. It's a virus. IF the diagnosis is correct, it's a virus. Yes, if the diagnosis is correct then that would be the varicella-zoster virus also known as human herpes virus type 3. And viruses can be destroyed just like bacteria or fungi. Although no pharmaceutical drug can do this for the "hidden" virus since there are no pharmaceutical antivirals that I know of that can cross the myelin to reach the virus hidden in the nervous tissue. All they can do is suppress the free virus. Ozone when used for therapy can cross the myelin and readily destroys viruses, especially lipid enveloped viruses such as varicella-zoster. There are some herbs that have been shown to do this as well such as chaparral. Personally if I ever got shingles I would prefer a cure as opposed to simply masking the symptoms. And I would not go for high dose NSAIDs, which is very dangerous. These drugs can be dangerous enough even at normal recommended levels.
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Post by peachfront on Dec 22, 2017 17:15:24 GMT -5
Personally if I ever got shingles I would prefer a cure as opposed to simply masking the symptoms. And I would not go for high dose NSAIDs, which is very dangerous. These drugs can be dangerous enough even at normal recommended levels. There's a vaccine. Which everyone should get when they reach the appropriate age. My insurer previously said it's recommended for age 62+ but the CDC website says it's now FDA approved for age 50+. So if you fall in that range, the vaccine is the way to go. I just looked it up on the CDC site and they say virtually every American has been exposed to the virus, even if they don't remember getting chickenpox. Don't want to take a lot of drugs to treat the intense pain from shingles? Get the vaccine. It's a virus. I'm not making this stuff up, I'm reading it right off the CDC site. www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/shingles/public/index.htmlShingles can't be left untreated. There can be serious complications. www.cdc.gov/shingles/about/complications.html The eye involvement could have resulted in blindness if the guy fooled around with herbs instead of seeing a doctor. There's a time and place for herbs. In my opinion, shingles isn't it.
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 22, 2017 17:31:20 GMT -5
Personally if I ever got shingles I would prefer a cure as opposed to simply masking the symptoms. And I would not go for high dose NSAIDs, which is very dangerous. These drugs can be dangerous enough even at normal recommended levels. There's a vaccine. Which everyone should get when they reach the appropriate age. My insurer previously said it's recommended for age 62+ but the CDC website says it's now FDA approved for age 50+. So if you fall in that range, the vaccine is the way to go. I just looked it up on the CDC site and they say virtually every American has been exposed to the virus, even if they don't remember getting chickenpox. Don't want to take a look of drugs to treat the intense pain from shingles? Get the vaccine. It's a virus. I'm not making this stuff up, I'm reading it right off the CDC site. www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/shingles/public/index.htmlShingles can't be left untreated. There can be serious complications. www.cdc.gov/shingles/about/complications.html The eye involvement could have resulted in blindness if the guy fooled around with herbs instead of seeing a doctor. There's a time and place for herbs. In my opinion, shingles isn't it. First of all it is not a virus. It is disease caused by a virus. Secondly, vaccines have never been proven to work, nor do they have to undergo the safety and effectiveness testing of other drugs. What is also known is that vaccines can have very serious side effects, including death. People like to tout that smallpox was eradicated by vaccines, which they have NO evidence for. And this is very simple to prove. In the late 1970s during the WHOs Expanded Program on Immunization (EPI) the first outbreaks of AIDS, and outbreaks of Ebola, Marburg's disease and Lassa fever all occurred in the same villages receiving the EPI vaccines. When the vaccines were halted the Ebola, Marburg's and Lassa fever all disappeared on their own accord. No vaccines for any of these. What this proves is that viral outbreaks can disappear on their own accord. So how do we know of smallpox was eradicated by vaccines or simply died out on its own accord just like the Ebola, Marburg's and Lassa fever? And how do you explain people still getting the same diseases they were vaccinated for? Or the fact that diseases for which vaccines are mandatory are on the rise? In fact they have made it very clear that this year's flu vaccine is only 10% effective. So really not much better than placebo, yet they are still scaring people in to getting flu shots instead of telling them that they are ways to deal with the flu that unlike the vaccines have been proven in studies to work on the flu. Maybe you should do some actual research on vaccines. They have tried making vaccines for AIDS, cancer, and various other things that fell by the wayside often because they do not work. Then research why the vaccines, including the current flu vaccine as with every yearly flu vaccines, have such high failure rates. When you figure out why you will see one of the reasons that I am against the unproven, dangerous vaccines. And by the way the lysine and ozone therapies I mentioned ARE NOT herbs. Although yes there are some herbs that help as well. But if I had shingles my primary focus would be either ozone or RF therapy to actually destroy the virus as opposed to simply masking the symptoms. To me that is as stupid as giving morphine for cancer pain while not addressing the cancer itself.
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 22, 2017 17:44:05 GMT -5
I want to add to my last comment something for you to think about. People can get repetitive cold sores, which is also from a herpes virus. That means that when this virus comes out of hiding to cause the cold sore then it is now exposed to the immune system. Therefore it would cause the same immune response as a vaccine, thus auto-vaccination. So how do people get repetitive cold sores if the immune system can efficiently deal with the virus through an antibody response? Again think about it!
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Post by HankRocks on Dec 22, 2017 18:37:03 GMT -5
I believe there is a good deal of evidence that certain vaccines do work. Small Pox was eradicated, it had been around for centuries. Polio was eradicated and it had been around for centuries. To completely discount vaccines is very risky.
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 22, 2017 19:30:22 GMT -5
I believe there is a good deal of evidence that certain vaccines do work. Small Pox was eradicated, it had been around for centuries. Polio was eradicated and it had been around for centuries. To completely discount vaccines is very risky. I am not completely discounting them. I am just waiting for some solid evidence that they really work and the benefits outweigh the risks. As for smallpox being eradicated I addressed that claim in my earlier post. There is NO proof that the vaccines had anything to do with this since viruses can die out on their own accord, especially after wiping out the weaker. We see this all the time happening naturally in nature in other animal populations. And we have seen numerous cases of this in the human population. How many diseases have there been throughout history for which there was no vaccine yet they did not kill everyone and they kind of went by the wayside, at least for a long period of time. The plague for instance.
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Post by mohs on Dec 22, 2017 19:44:04 GMT -5
I been known to smoke a joint for pain m stly
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Post by mohs on Dec 22, 2017 19:44:51 GMT -5
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Post by peachfront on Dec 22, 2017 20:56:27 GMT -5
Oh for the love of...! I am not here to explain to people that the earth is not flat. The shingles vaccine is proven science. It works. Am I going to believe some guy on the internet or am I going to believe the CDC?
Cold sore herpes viruses are not related to the virus that causes shingles, sheesh. Again, please. Don't ask me. Ask your doctor. Ask the CDC. They are not related. The shingles virus doesn't protect against cold sores because it's a vaccine against a different, unrelated virus. If there is ever a vaccine against cold sores, I'm sure they'll let us all know.
Vaccine deniers are welcome to harm themselves, but once they start putting out disinformation that hurts others... Mama Bear is going to come out and growl at you. You are perfectly welcome to do as you please. However, when you tell someone with shingles to avoid medical treatment and instead try to treat it at home with herbs, you could be costing someone their eyesight or you could be causing them to live the rest of their live in horrific pain. Don't do that. Hello, karma?
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 22, 2017 21:53:05 GMT -5
Oh for the love of...! I am not here to explain to people that the earth is not flat. The shingles vaccine is proven science. It works. Am I going to believe some guy on the internet or am I going to believe the CDC? Cold sore herpes viruses are not related to the virus that causes shingles, sheesh. Again, please. Don't ask me. Ask your doctor. Ask the CDC. They are not related. The shingles virus doesn't protect against cold sores because it's a vaccine against a different, unrelated virus. If there is ever a vaccine against cold sores, I'm sure they'll let us all know. Vaccine deniers are welcome to harm themselves, but once they start putting out disinformation that hurts others... Mama Bear is going to come out and growl at you. You are perfectly welcome to do as you please. However, when you tell someone with shingles to avoid medical treatment and instead try to treat it at home with herbs, you could be costing someone their eyesight or you could be causing them to live the rest of their live in horrific pain. Don't do that. Hello, karma? I'm not a vaccine denier, but I did personally know a woman who had a completely normal son who had his vaccines and became - for lack of a better term- severely autistic. I think for a very, very few people vaccines can be a problem. She was a able to get her other kids into school without vaccines because she refused to get them shots and had doctor's back her up. I myself have a compromised immune system so I don't get the flu shot. I feel like it would put me at a higher risk of getting it from the vaccine itself. My Dr. doesn't get the flu shot, either. I haven't had a flu since I was a kid and if I do get it I think it wouldn't be the end of the world. BUT, that is only MY opinion. I still got my kids vaccinated and I was vaccinated. I knew kids when I was a kid who had had polio. No thank you. I would never recommend to anyone not to get their kids vaccinated. Like most anything in life, there are a few exceptions to the rule that for most of us, vaccines are harmless. But, what really bugs me is that for vaccines to work, everyone needs to get them. Schools used to be so strict, but they aren't anymore. I heard a rumor that our local school was letting in immigrant kids without their shots. So, I called the school and asked. Sure enough. They had to let them in without shots. That's why we are seeing so many of the old diseases showing up again- that and the vaccine deniers. OK, I'll shut up now.
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Post by vegasjames on Dec 23, 2017 7:58:30 GMT -5
Oh for the love of...! I am not here to explain to people that the earth is not flat. The shingles vaccine is proven science. It works. Am I going to believe some guy on the internet or am I going to believe the CDC? Cold sore herpes viruses are not related to the virus that causes shingles, sheesh. Again, please. Don't ask me. Ask your doctor. Ask the CDC. They are not related. The shingles virus doesn't protect against cold sores because it's a vaccine against a different, unrelated virus. If there is ever a vaccine against cold sores, I'm sure they'll let us all know. Vaccine deniers are welcome to harm themselves, but once they start putting out disinformation that hurts others... Mama Bear is going to come out and growl at you. You are perfectly welcome to do as you please. However, when you tell someone with shingles to avoid medical treatment and instead try to treat it at home with herbs, you could be costing someone their eyesight or you could be causing them to live the rest of their live in horrific pain. Don't do that. Hello, karma? LOL!!!! If you think the vaccine has been proven then you have a lot to learn. And as far as the herpes simplex viruses I NEVER said they were the same thing. Go back and read very slowly what I actually wrote and actually pay attention this time. In fact here is the quote "People can get repetitive cold sores, which is also from a herpes virus". Note that I said "also from a herpes virus", not from the Varicella zoster virus, which is a different herpes virus. In fact there are 8 human herpes viruses, and no they are not all the same virus. Understand yet? What I posted was an analogy. Should I post the definition of analogy for you so you can catch up? And by the way it has been well known that vaccines for one thing can stimulate an antibody response to other things. It is known as serological cross reactivity, and is the same basis for which so many vaccines yield false positive HIV tests. And no, I am not claiming HIV is the same thing as herpes viruses either. Just figured I better clear that up before you get even more confused about the facts that I actually stated. I never said I was a vaccine denier either. You assume way too much. As I said in a previous post "I am not completely discounting them. I am just waiting for some solid evidence that they really work and the benefits outweigh the risks.". So not really a denier as you wish to try to label some people. I just am not a gullible fool that believes whatever I hear, especially from the drug companies. The same groups that tell people to take an aspirin during a heart attack when the studies clearly show that this can cause a much worse situation. And no, I am not claiming aspirin is a vaccine either. Or CDC who claims antibody tests are nearly 100% accurate when the manufacturer inserts claim that these tests are not to be used for diagnostics due to the high inaccuracy rate. I can actually post NUMEROUS other examples but I feel I would just be wasting my time since it would not sink in. Furthermore you have not shown any disinformation, only a lack of reading and comprehension skills. For example I have not told anyone to avoid allopathic therapies as you claim. I simply gave my opinions on things and recommendations of alternatives that address the cause not just the symptoms. And what about you, are you going to take responsibility when someone dies or has an adverse reaction to the unproven shingles vaccine you told everyone to get? Or are you going to leave it up to karma? By the way, if the virus is destroyed by things like ozone or certain herbs then why would they live the rest of their life in pain? Your comments are getting way out there. Even with time the virus can go in to remission on its own and the person will be out of pain, not living in pain the rest of their lives. Look it up. Or maybe have the CDC explain that fact to you.
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