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Post by mohs on Dec 27, 2022 21:57:50 GMT -5
So why can't it be the way it was?
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Mark K
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Post by Mark K on Dec 28, 2022 9:50:40 GMT -5
So why can't it be the way it was? I agree. It makes the board look cheap and primitive. Just what we want to attract new members. |
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khara
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Post by khara on Dec 28, 2022 10:07:17 GMT -5
I don’t see how it’s a hindrance. It’s just white if I’m not logged in and blue once I do log in, like not a member, then switch to member color scheme. I was able to click on topics though and see them while in the white version. Other than it being a different color, what’s the problem for new people?
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Tommy
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Post by Tommy on Dec 28, 2022 11:22:16 GMT -5
I also didn't realize it was going to cause such issues with our members who presumably are logged and viewing the color they are used to. In this age of Reddit, when new members arrive at a new forum on the internet the chance that they are expecting to see a light background forum is very high in my opinion.
The reason I changed the default (not-logged-in) theme is the new website that will wrap around the forum is created with a light background and I think it would be aesthetically pleasing that when visitors click on the Forum links they arrive at a forum that matches the new website in color - even if it is a bit dated looking as Mark so eloquently pointed out.
Said light colored website will hopefully have a light/dark toggle switch. I'm trying to work the bugs out of this before opening the site.
The other reason I changed it now is Proboards v.6 is coming and as of right now there isn't even a theme editor. Once the upgrade beta rolls to 'stable' we will have 18 months to design (or buy) our color theme. Rumor is the v.6 forum will also have a built-in light/dark toggle switch which would be nice because if it does we would only be looking at one design that can seamlessly switch from light to dark.
My point is these dark themes that everyone (myself included) love are history in v.6. I'm not going to spend hundreds of hours trying to recreate the dark themes we have on v.5 if there is technology that can easily switch between light and dark. There are too many other wild changes with v.6 to make it realistic that I can create a dark theme that makes everyone feel like nothing changed if that makes sense.
I'll give it another few days and if the sentiment is still strongly against it then I'll put it back and just deal with the weirdness of a light background website linking to a dark background forum.
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Post by parfive on Dec 28, 2022 11:57:38 GMT -5
So-called improvements . . . here we come. 
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Post by mohs on Dec 28, 2022 12:04:14 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation Tommy That was aces An uncommon in these daze! What do I mean? Well so many things that was routine In the market out there have changed. Weird uncanny things Long list for mohs Like not being able to buy frozen hash brown paddies They have shredded, cubed, strings, curly spuds Butte they forgot how to make a convenient frozen paddy!? Their most in demand product? Makes no sense Used to be a rule of thumb that supply & demand controlled what you profit by nomor? My bigger issue is that you can’t get an answer from anyone No one knows squat! Well I knohs squat Its all bunch of b.s! O one more thing For many years I been buying my holiday dinner from one of Phoenix finest stores Always excellent ! Last couple years they have really stunk Geexz! The quality was really lousy, and the price as only increased. I called the store last year & told them how disappointing it was. All I got was an aw shucks,,, sorry to hear that Well ya can expect a one off Yet This year- wished I had tasted it before left the store I would have demanded my money back Lousy Not sure what the problem is ? Beside not being able to find the people who are enthusiastic to do a fine job? Maybe it’s the big ‘'p” of the times ? A shame and most likely When quality break down in the market Bad omen of possible things to come Anyway thanks for keeping the board rocking Ed |
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hypodactylus
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Post by hypodactylus on Dec 28, 2022 12:20:28 GMT -5
I also didn't realize it was going to cause such issues with our members who presumably are logged and viewing the color they are used to. In this age of Reddit, when new members arrive at a new forum on the internet the chance that they are expecting to see a light background forum is very high in my opinion. The reason I changed the default (not-logged-in) theme is the new website that will wrap around the forum is created with a light background and I think it would be aesthetically pleasing that when visitors click on the Forum links they arrive at a forum that matches the new website in color - even if it is a bit dated looking as Mark so eloquently pointed out. Said light colored website will hopefully have a light/dark toggle switch. I'm trying to work the bugs out of this before opening the site. The other reason I changed it now is Proboards v.6 is coming and as of right now there isn't even a theme editor. Once the upgrade beta rolls to 'stable' we will have 18 months to design (or buy) our color theme. Rumor is the v.6 forum will also have a built-in light/dark toggle switch which would be nice because if it does we would only be looking at one design that can seamlessly switch from light to dark. My point is these dark themes that everyone (myself included) love are history in v.6. I'm not going to spend hundreds of hours trying to recreate the dark themes we have on v.5 if there is technology that can easily switch between light and dark. There are too many other wild changes with v.6 to make it realistic that I can create a dark theme that makes everyone feel like nothing changed if that makes sense. I'll give it another few days and if the sentiment is still strongly against it then I'll put it back and just deal with the weirdness of a light background website linking to a dark background forum.
Having been involved with software/website changes a few times, it has been my experience that some people just generally don't like things to change, even if the change is good. You generally get more feedback from people who don't like it, so keep that in mind. People who like the changes (or are indifferent to them) generally don't provide feedback; they experience the changes, think "Oh, this is nice", and move on.
I personally don't feel strongly one way or the other. Thanks for keeping the board going!
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Post by mohs on Dec 28, 2022 12:33:38 GMT -5
Although I realize Only thing constant is change & usually I just roll w/ the rocks Having worked in corporate data center Change was never positive From my p.o.v. As lowly tape ape  The ones who did the real work Seems to me that management Was always trying how to reinvent how to dot the 'i’ & cross the ‘t’ useless memo’s to keep us form doing the job productively made no sense ah butte what I didn't knohs they didn’t have to make sense just profits not sure how that works ? butte it seems to,,, |
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Post by HankRocks on Dec 28, 2022 13:34:09 GMT -5
what color change??? Seriously, none of this is ever going to cause me to lose any sleep. Tommy Whatever you think is best and whatever causes you the least amount of effort is good by me. Henry |
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Post by mohs on Dec 28, 2022 15:33:41 GMT -5
yeah seriously Hank it these little things that end up being avalanche of ....  |
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Post by parfive on Dec 28, 2022 15:35:27 GMT -5
Have no fear, Ed. I hear Elon’s gonna have a look at ProBoards when he’s done tunin’ up the Tweety Bird.  |
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Post by parfive on Dec 28, 2022 16:00:58 GMT -5
White board sucks because there’s no—or not enough—contrast on user names and thread titles.
con·trast noun känˌtrast
• the state of being strikingly different from something else in juxtaposition or close association
• enhancement of the apparent brightness or clarity of a design provided by the juxtaposition of different colors or textures
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Post by mohs on Dec 28, 2022 16:17:00 GMT -5
that ture as mentioned earlier I turn people on to RTH to browse the forum look at the pictures of our rocks and pendants the white board doesn't add enough contrast to show off the artistry not inviting at all or perhaps to join butte don't concern yourself with it cause of all the folks I've told none of have joined anyways and who knohs... maybe the new look will be an enticement? people are strang that way and I been wrong before....mostly |
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khara
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Post by khara on Dec 28, 2022 16:41:09 GMT -5
Thank you for all your work Tommy ! |
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Post by hummingbirdstones2 on Dec 28, 2022 19:09:52 GMT -5
I'm on the side that says the light background looks old and cheesy. But I'm old and cranky - so nevermind... .
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Dec 28, 2022 20:29:00 GMT -5
Tommy it doesn't bother me any. As long as I can read the forum on the dark background, I'm good. Light backgrounds are really hard on my eyes. 
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Mark K
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Post by Mark K on Dec 28, 2022 21:11:00 GMT -5
The reason I said it looks cheap and primitive is because back in the early days of the net, most sites looked just like that and now when I see a site like that, I almost always find that it has not been updated in decades and the info I was looking for that led me to that site is old and outdated. Plus, half the people are dead by now.
Seeing those old, outdated sites makes me hit the red X and look elsewhere. I would hope the white does not cause potential new members to do the same under the same assumption.
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Tommy
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Post by Tommy on Dec 29, 2022 10:24:41 GMT -5
The reason I said it looks cheap and primitive is because back in the early days of the net, most sites looked just like that and now when I see a site like that, I almost always find that it has not been updated in decades and the info I was looking for that led me to that site is old and outdated. Plus, half the people are dead by now. Seeing those old, outdated sites makes me hit the red X and look elsewhere. I would hope the white does not cause potential new members to do the same under the same assumption. I get it and I agree with you on most of this except that when I encounter an 'out of the box' forum theme the first two things I always look for are graphic embellishments like our header image where they took the time to customize things, and I look for signs of activity in recent posts which we have no worries with. This being said, I would be willing to bet that the majority of folks who find us as the result searching the internet for help, go directly into an active thread so their first impressions are not a as bad as described. I'm not making the case to keep it this way. In addition to the input in this thread I'm also getting private notes from members on both sides of the issue so I'm weighing everything as a whole. I think what has surprised me the most is the number of members who log off after visiting the forum. Sometimes I don't log out for weeks or months and when I do it switches to the (shockingly) blue board so I hurry and log back in so it switches to my favorite dark gray theme. |
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Post by mohs on Dec 29, 2022 10:32:58 GMT -5
well I agree... m stly about the gray theme, that is one of the positive things that has came of all this is it caused me to look at other themes and I've switched to the gray theme  |
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Mark K
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Post by Mark K on Dec 30, 2022 14:55:03 GMT -5
I'm not making the case to keep it this way. In addition to the input in this thread I'm also getting private notes from members on both sides of the issue so I'm weighing everything as a whole. I think what has surprised me the most is the number of members who log off after visiting the forum. Sometimes I don't log out for weeks or months and when I do it switches to the (shockingly) blue board so I hurry and log back in so it switches to my favorite dark gray theme. I don't have any choice. The forum logs me out on its own and I can not fix it. Has been like this for years. |
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