MadMax
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Post by MadMax on Feb 3, 2024 21:34:41 GMT -5
Hey everyone. Getting ready to start my first tumble. I took a hammer to some larger jasper boulders that I have collected over the last year. I feel like they came out too big and too sharp. Is there a better way to do it? Will these be fine in a 5 lb barrel?
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MadMax
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Post by MadMax on Feb 3, 2024 21:48:17 GMT -5
I should mention that I have some plastic pellets that I can add.
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Post by pebblesky on Feb 3, 2024 23:16:48 GMT -5
I don't think these are too sharp for tumble, but if the coin is a quarter, this batch seems to be too big for a 5lb barrel. Maybe only put a couple of the biggest pieces in and a bunch of the mid to small pieces, and you should add quite some small fillers. Plastic pellets might be consumed too fast in stage 1.
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Post by MadMax on Feb 4, 2024 12:51:19 GMT -5
Any recommendations for a better way to make useable pieces from larger rocks? I feel like there is a lot of waste when crushing with my hammer.
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Post by aDave on Feb 4, 2024 13:32:36 GMT -5
IMHO, there's nothing that's too sharp, especially for the coarse grind, as any of the sharpness should end up being ground away and/or rounded more. Some folks are perfectly fine using a hammer, but you have touched on the possible waste issue. A chisel may be more focused...have you tried that?
If you don't mind flat surfaces in your rough, you can always get a tile saw to size your material down. That's what I used. If your rough is larger than what the blade will cut in one pass, you can roll the rock so the rock is cut all the way around.
And, as far as plastic pellets go, don't use them for the first stage. Doing so kind of defeats the purpose of what you're trying to accomplish with the coarse grind. You want the rocks to contact each other as much as possible, and "cushioning" will only slow the process down.
ETA: That's nice looking material. If you don't mind, where did it come from?
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MadMax
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Post by MadMax on Feb 4, 2024 13:44:46 GMT -5
IMHO, there's nothing that's too sharp, especially for the coarse grind, as any of the sharpness should end up being ground away and/or rounded more. Some folks are perfectly fine using a hammer, but you have touched on the possible waste issue. A chisel may be more focused...have you tried that? If you don't mind flat surfaces in your rough, you can always get a tile saw to size your material down. That's what I used. If your rough is larger than what the blade will cut in one pass, you can roll the rock so the rock is cut all the way around. And, as far as plastic pellets go, don't use them for the first stage. Doing so kind of defeats the purpose of what you're trying to accomplish with the coarse grind. You want the rocks to contact each other as much as possible, and "cushioning" will only slow the process down. ETA: That's nice looking material. If you don't mind, where did it come from? Thanks for the tips! I am pretty fortunate to live about 30 minutes away from one of the brecciated jasper hotspots! Stoney Creek! All of my stuff is self collected.
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Post by MadMax on Feb 4, 2024 13:52:22 GMT -5
Here are a few pieces I collected in the last month.
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Post by velodromed on Feb 4, 2024 14:13:16 GMT -5
Here are a few pieces I collected in the last month. That is some beautiful material! Is your 5lb barrel tall or long style? If it’s tall, those should work fine in it, just mix up the sizes. One of my tumblers has a 4lb tall barrel running at 60rpm. I use it to break down the large, broken Jasper (among other rock) chunks I collect here in Texas.
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Post by aDave on Feb 4, 2024 15:28:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the tips! I am pretty fortunate to live about 30 minutes away from one of the brecciated jasper hotspots! Stoney Creek! All of my stuff is self collected. I've never been there, so I had to look it up. I think I was confusing it with Clear Creek, but I can't even say for sure. Considering Stoney Creek is supposedly 75 miles long, you obviously found the right spot. Well done...the material is beautiful.
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Post by pebblesky on Feb 4, 2024 17:13:51 GMT -5
Here are a few pieces I collected in the last month. Wow these look delicious!
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Post by jasoninsd on Feb 4, 2024 20:03:51 GMT -5
Here are a few pieces I collected in the last month. This piece is a fantastic example as to why I fell in love with Stoney Creek material!
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MadMax
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Post by MadMax on Feb 4, 2024 20:55:16 GMT -5
This piece is a fantastic example as to why I fell in love with Stoney Creek material! This is an exceptional example, definitely not the typical quality but they are out there. Hard to decide which I love most, our poppy jasper or this fortified jaspagate.
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Post by dshanpnw on Feb 5, 2024 19:39:54 GMT -5
Save the larger pieces for when you start slabbing and cabbing. However, you could break them into smaller pieces, just be careful. Is Stoney Creek the same as stone canyon jasper? It is some mighty fine brecciated jasper.
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Post by MadMax on Feb 5, 2024 20:41:07 GMT -5
Save the larger pieces for when you start slabbing and cabbing. However, you could break them into smaller pieces, just be careful. Is Stoney Creek the same as stone canyon jasper? It is some mighty fine brecciated jasper. I think many people confuse the two jasper locations due to the similar qualities. Stoney Creek is a few hundred miles north of Stone Canyon.
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Post by aDave on Feb 5, 2024 22:58:34 GMT -5
Save the larger pieces for when you start slabbing and cabbing. However, you could break them into smaller pieces, just be careful. Is Stoney Creek the same as stone canyon jasper? It is some mighty fine brecciated jasper. I think many people confuse the two jasper locations due to the similar qualities. Stoney Creek is a few hundred miles north of Stone Canyon. That's it! That's the location I was confusing things with. I knew it to be somewhere near Parkfield or Paso Robles. Thanks for clarifying and mentioning it. Now I feel better.
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Post by MadMax on Feb 7, 2024 23:48:47 GMT -5
Another question. I have been thinking that if I want to help speed things along I could do some grinding before the tumbling to help pre shape the jasper. I have a pedestal bench grinder in the garage. Could I buy some kind of diamond disc for the grinder or do I need to buy a whole new machine dedicated to rock shaping?
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Post by aDave on Feb 8, 2024 2:14:22 GMT -5
Another question. I have been thinking that if I want to help speed things along I could do some grinding before the tumbling to help pre shape the jasper. I have a pedestal bench grinder in the garage. Could I buy some kind of diamond disc for the grinder or do I need to buy a whole new machine dedicated to rock shaping? If my Google search for "pedestal bench grinder" turned out results like what you have, my initial inclination is "no." The main reason for me is I would want to work with an appliance that has the ability to grind things while wet, simply to keep the dust down, even if dry grinding with a mask respirator. Sure, you could grind it while dry, but you'd be throwing silica dust all over the place, and you'd have to clean it up at some point in time. I'm guessing that even before cleaning the dust, you'd be walking through it or cleaning up without respiratory protection, and it might even be on your clothes...thus a still potential hazard. That may be extra precautious, but that's just me. Depending on how much grinding you're expecting to do, an inexpensive tile saw *could* be an option. The blade will turn through the water in the sump, and you can grind against the side of a sintered blade. I did my minute grinding this way, and it worked pretty well. At the same time, you can use the saw to help size down some of your material. There are probably other ideas I'm not aware of...maybe even related to using some type of lap or a cabbing wheel, but that's beyond my scope. I'll be paying attention to see what others have to add.
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Post by MadMax on Feb 21, 2024 15:58:14 GMT -5
About two weeks in. Doesn't look like any of them are ready but they are definitely looking pretty!
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Post by MadMax on Feb 21, 2024 16:09:01 GMT -5
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Post by hplcman on Feb 21, 2024 16:37:45 GMT -5
Oh boy. That is amazing stuff! Please keep posting pictures of the progress, as those will be (already are!) stunners! I think I live a couple of hours away from the reservoir Stoney Creek flows through and it seems people collect some nice stuff there. I'd love to go check it out some day!
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