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Post by gemfeller on Mar 21, 2024 23:08:54 GMT -5
Creating new coastal land is an interesting (bad) idea. We saw new houses on reclaimed land in Penang with huge cracks in the walls, possibly because the land was developed before it "settled". Most likely the houses were going to have issues anyway. Despite this, they are still going crazy with reclaimed land, despite criticisms. Coastal living comes with risks, and the risks get higher the more we modify things so someone out there makes a few dollars. thesun.my/local_news/reclaimed-island-can-be-destroyed-in-40-years-expert-HF1135485I recall a racket involving reclaiming land around San Francisco Bay. In certain beach areas where it was allowed, promoters would open up a dump or tip in Oz-Talk, and allow people to get rid of all sorts of stuff, for a fee of course. And the fee wasn't small. Eventually the dump encroached far into the Bay itself. Employees were ready to salvage any metals and other stuff that could be sold at a profit. After several years of operation they'd advertise for clean fill dirt and wouldn't allow any more trash dumping. When they decided they had enough fill they'd let it settle for far too short a time and then a new housing development would appear on the fill. An acquaintance bought one of the houses and we were invited for a dinner after he'd live there a year or so. We were appalled to see huge cracks in the foundation and interior walls due to settling. It was awful. But the promoters had their money and hey were off to find another corrupt batch of politicians who'd sign off on a similar new development. It's the way of the world I guess. |
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Post by parfive on Mar 21, 2024 23:18:36 GMT -5
They do stick a few more things in there, Kallie . . .
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Post by titaniumkid on Mar 21, 2024 23:22:44 GMT -5
Creating new coastal land is an interesting (bad) idea. We saw new houses on reclaimed land in Penang with huge cracks in the walls, possibly because the land was developed before it "settled". Most likely the houses were going to have issues anyway. Despite this, they are still going crazy with reclaimed land, despite criticisms. Coastal living comes with risks, and the risks get higher the more we modify things so someone out there makes a few dollars. thesun.my/local_news/reclaimed-island-can-be-destroyed-in-40-years-expert-HF1135485I recall a racket involving reclaiming land around San Francisco Bay. In certain beach areas where it was allowed, promoters would open up a dump or tip in Oz-Talk, and allow people to get rid of all sorts of stuff, for a fee of course. And the fee wasn't small. Eventually the dump encroached far into the Bay itself. Employees were ready to salvage any metals and other stuff that could be sold at a profit. After several years of operation they'd advertise for clean fill dirt and wouldn't allow any more trash dumping. When they decided they had enough fill they'd let it settle for far too short a time and then a new housing development would appear on the fill. An acquaintance bought one of the houses and we were invited for a dinner after he'd live there a year or so. We were appalled to see huge cracks in the foundation and interior walls due to settling. It was awful. But the promoters had their money and hey were off to find another corrupt batch of politicians who'd sign off on a similar new development. It's the way of the world I guess. Haha thanks for the dump/tip clarification (though I think young kids nowadays also call it a dump... loss of language). That is crazy. Nothing like living on buried waste. |
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Post by parfive on Mar 21, 2024 23:35:26 GMT -5
gemfeller Marina district, or just similar? Hit bad in the ’89 Loma Prieta ballgame quake, liquefaction of landfill, reclaimed land.
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Post by titaniumkid on Mar 22, 2024 0:04:07 GMT -5
They do stick a few more things in there, Kallie . . . This video isn't available in the backwater I live in  What is the title and I'll search for it. Otherwise, I'll just assume it was enlightening and probably the best thing I would have seen all day. |
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Post by realrockhound on Mar 22, 2024 0:20:27 GMT -5
Imagine drinking filtered water that an aids infested turd had previously been floating in 😂.
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Post by parfive on Mar 22, 2024 0:44:39 GMT -5
This video isn't available in the backwater I live in That’s odd, It’s not like a rights issue with a sports telecast. Hell, I’ve watched quite a few Aussie 60 Minutes bits over here. It was a CBS News piece about eight years ago. The highlight was $623M worth of stainless pipe, hundreds of reverse osmosis tubes and UV zappers built next to the sewer plant. California plant transforming sewage into drinking waterSimilar piece from Bloomberg: California's Drought Fix: Turn Toilet Water Into Tap Water |
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Post by titaniumkid on Mar 22, 2024 14:48:16 GMT -5
This video isn't available in the backwater I live in That’s odd, It’s not like a rights issue with a sports telecast. Hell, I’ve watched quite a few Aussie 60 Minutes bits over here. It was a CBS News piece about eight years ago. The highlight was $623M worth of stainless pipe, hundreds of reverse osmosis tubes and UV zappers built next to the sewer plant. California plant transforming sewage into drinking waterSimilar piece from Bloomberg: California's Drought Fix: Turn Toilet Water Into Tap WaterIt's our anti-authority ways and convict heritage. Can't be trusted, so best not to let us watch videos on water treatment in case we steal something. The process is amazing. Recycled water is treated way more than anything taken from surface or ground water sources. Thanks for sharing this. |
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Post by gemfeller on Mar 22, 2024 16:34:44 GMT -5
gemfeller Marina district, or just similar? Hit bad in the ’89 Loma Prieta ballgame quake, liquefaction of landfill, reclaimed land. Similar but on the more southern part of the east bay near Union City and Newark. Foster City, on the west bay in San Mateo County and near the heart of Silicon Valley, was built in similar fashion but I haven't heard of settling or earthquake problems there. I recall there were several such projects but foggy memory tells me they were finally outlawed. |
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Post by gemfeller on Mar 22, 2024 16:47:54 GMT -5
parfive The little town where I lived in central CA tried valiantly to build a plant to purify wastewater but was stymied every inch of the way by bureaucratic hurdles. And CA is adamant that no new storage reservoirs can be built, yet millions of acre-feet of fresh rainwater flow back into the Pacific each year, carrying with it untold tons of nasty debris and toxic trash. Is there intelligent life in CA?
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Post by realrockhound on Mar 22, 2024 17:29:46 GMT -5
I currently work in wastewater. I design treatment facilities that do similar. Do a lot with recycled water as well. Technology is pretty impressive with how clean you can get it. But still.. I just can’t get past the fact of what used to be in it.
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Post by ThomasT on Mar 22, 2024 17:43:48 GMT -5
realrockhound 1dave The land is assuredly not sinking in Haiti... I put in a few solar powered water filtration with UV purification systems there. The lack of proper septic handling by the masses has contaminated most of the ground water. Plenty of water though... just nasty.
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Post by realrockhound on Mar 22, 2024 17:52:20 GMT -5
realrockhound 1dave The land is assuredly not sinking in Haiti... I put in a few solar powered water filtration with UV purification systems there. The lack of proper septic handling by the masses has contaminated most of the ground water. Plenty of water though... just nasty. From experience, ground water dependent on location can be very nasty. Not just from fecal coliforms, but from environmental toxins. Especially in places with high agricultural use. |
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Post by titaniumkid on Mar 22, 2024 21:18:19 GMT -5
realrockhound 1dave The land is assuredly not sinking in Haiti... I put in a few solar powered water filtration with UV purification systems there. The lack of proper septic handling by the masses has contaminated most of the ground water. Plenty of water though... just nasty. From experience, ground water dependent on location can be very nasty. Not just from fecal coliforms, but from environmental toxins. Especially in places with high agricultural use. Yes to this, and the combination of land use activity and geology can make it worse. For example, groundwater in karst regions under cropping is often polluted with highly mobile pesticides like atrazine. Once groundwater is polluted, it's well and truly stuffed, affecting its use and posing ongoing risks to natural receiving waters. It's so cool to meet a bunch of water industry people in a lapidary forum  We did ecotox and ecological surveys for a regional water company at one of their recycled water plants. They were discharging Class B or C (can't remember) recycled water into a creek. Aside from elevating nutrients and causing algal growth, the recycled water was actually the only thing sustaining the creek during dry periods when an upstream reservoir starved the creek of water. We didn't observe toxicity (except when someone sprayed pesticides around the treatment ponds). More interestingly, further upstream where it should have been "cleaner", there was toxicity and it turned out metals like lead were leaching from a historical dump into the water table, and this was slowly discharging into the creek. |
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Post by titaniumkid on Mar 22, 2024 21:26:28 GMT -5
parfive The little town where I lived in central CA tried valiantly to build a plant to purify wastewater but was stymied every inch of the way by bureaucratic hurdles. And CA is adamant that no new storage reservoirs can be built, yet millions of acre-feet of fresh rainwater flow back into the Pacific each year, carrying with it untold tons of nasty debris and toxic trash. Is there intelligent life in CA? I was always under the impression that CA was cutting edge for pesticide regulation and environmental protection, given they were among the first to ban problematic pesticides like atrazine and chlorpyrifos. I held the state in high regard. Have things changed over the years or was I only hearing good things? And this is unrelated, but how is "Mateo" pronounced (as in San Mateo)? The town I grew up near was settled by two Californian brothers, so American street naming conventions and names were used (lots of avenues and numbered streets). There is a San Mateo Avenue everyone pronounced "mat-ee-oh", but I would not be surprised if that is wrong. |
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Post by parfive on Mar 22, 2024 21:28:53 GMT -5
Number one with a bullet these days . . . PFAS. : )
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Post by gemfeller on Mar 22, 2024 22:25:57 GMT -5
parfive The little town where I lived in central CA tried valiantly to build a plant to purify wastewater but was stymied every inch of the way by bureaucratic hurdles. And CA is adamant that no new storage reservoirs can be built, yet millions of acre-feet of fresh rainwater flow back into the Pacific each year, carrying with it untold tons of nasty debris and toxic trash. Is there intelligent life in CA? I was always under the impression that CA was cutting edge for pesticide regulation and environmental protection, given they were among the first to ban problematic pesticides like atrazine and chlorpyrifos. I held the state in high regard. Have things changed over the years or was I only hearing good things? And this is unrelated, but how is "Mateo" pronounced (as in San Mateo)? The town I grew up near was settled by two Californian brothers, so American street naming conventions and names were used (lots of avenues and numbered streets). There is a San Mateo Avenue everyone pronounced "mat-ee-oh", but I would not be surprised if that is wrong. I'll stay away from my views on CA. That's Cave stuff. As to San Mateo's pronunciation, locals say "San-mat-ay-oh." |
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Post by rockjunquie on Mar 24, 2024 6:18:53 GMT -5
My sister lives at abt 2 ft abt sea level. The winds have been howling and will for several days. I'm worried abt her. She has issues when the wind drives the water up the street. She lives on a Chesapeake bay with the Atlantic Ocean on the other side. I don't see her house lasting long.
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Post by titaniumkid on Mar 24, 2024 15:04:51 GMT -5
I was always under the impression that CA was cutting edge for pesticide regulation and environmental protection, given they were among the first to ban problematic pesticides like atrazine and chlorpyrifos. I held the state in high regard. Have things changed over the years or was I only hearing good things? And this is unrelated, but how is "Mateo" pronounced (as in San Mateo)? The town I grew up near was settled by two Californian brothers, so American street naming conventions and names were used (lots of avenues and numbered streets). There is a San Mateo Avenue everyone pronounced "mat-ee-oh", but I would not be surprised if that is wrong. I'll stay away from my views on CA. That's Cave stuff. As to San Mateo's pronunciation, locals say "San-mat-ay-oh." Fair call. And thanks for clarifying. How embarrassing... I've been saying it wrong for years (along with 40,000+ other idiots ). I wonder what any visiting Americans thought of us. |
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Post by titaniumkid on Mar 24, 2024 15:06:51 GMT -5
My sister lives at abt 2 ft abt sea level. The winds have been howling and will for several days. I'm worried abt her. She has issues when the wind drives the water up the street. She lives on a Chesapeake bay with the Atlantic Ocean on the other side. I don't see her house lasting long.
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