|
|
Post by Cher on Sept 2, 2005 15:30:07 GMT -5
|
|
Rose
Cave Dweller 
Member since November 2004
Posts: 875
|
Post by Rose on Sept 2, 2005 16:59:14 GMT -5
Yeah well he got his oil war ! I can't believe that Bush actually came out with the phrase " "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees." What planet is he on ?? They had known about this for years ! Its so sad to see the images on TV and the suffering, and its sickening to see Bush's insincere mug on tv coming out with crap like that  |
|
|
|
Post by krazydiamond on Sept 2, 2005 17:23:49 GMT -5
like everything else, it all comes down to money........sometimes i feel like we (the States) are a third world country and just don't know it yet.
but what are we gonna do about it, fellow taxpayers? we are going to spend billions to rebuild the City of New Orleans at the same elevation, aren't we? smart move.
let me just add this one note, Geoge W. ain't the only Bozo driving this bus, it takes a whole lot of other people "in charge" to freak things up this badly, as much as the world likes to join in bashing the Bush.
80% of New Orleans evacuated when Katrina looked inevitable, the Mayor pleaded with people to seek higher ground and so did the Govenor and so did the President....but apart from that, it appears there was no real plan for the rest of the folks that stayed, irrespective of their reasons (poor, ill, frail, stubborn, stupid...). how could the mayor of that City NOT KNOW of this possibility? how could local government sit idly by without a plan in place for this obviously likely scenario?
now the rest of the country has to pay for that. there is so much finger pointing going on it makes me want to scream.
sorry again about the ranting, i'm waiting for the fuel oil truck to lumber down my driveway this winter and i'll have to remortgage to afford heat this winter. hey, maybe things will be back up and running by Mardi Gras....
KD
|
|
|
|
Post by Cher on Sept 2, 2005 18:30:07 GMT -5
I can so relate to the home heating fuel, I'm scared to death at what our prices will be up here. Oh well, it won't be the first time I've sat around in my jacket with the temps turned down to 60° to save on fuel. Don't know if my hubby can handle it though, skinny ol' buzzard's got no fat to protect him. *smile*
Yes, KD, you're right, there's others in line behind Bush, all the republican oil people. We all know the Iraqi was is all Bush, he declared his intentions within 3 days of getting into office. It's just wrong that we don't have what we need here to take care of our own people but are expected to be the police for the world. We are a "third world country" and heading for bad times here in the good ol' USA, unless we get our act together and start taking care of ourselves. It breaks my heart to think of what kind of world my grandbabies have to look forward too.
|
|
|
|
Post by Toad on Sept 3, 2005 13:38:45 GMT -5
Experts have been writing about this disaster for decades. Bush didn't do anything about it, neither did Clinton, Bush 1, Reagan, Carter, and etc... How about all the former mayors of New Orleans and all the former governors of Louisiana. No one seems to be blaming them. It is just so easy to point to the guy in the hot seat when it hits the fan. No one can seem to see past the tip of their nose.
The war in Iraq didn't cause this - decades of apathy did.
I suppose it will be Bush's fault when LA falls into the San Andreas too. Of course, it must be, he is the master of evil after all.
|
|
Rose
Cave Dweller
Member since November 2004
Posts: 875
|
Post by Rose on Sept 4, 2005 4:44:19 GMT -5
Yes your right apathy and a huge great hurricane - but I think the point is that the funds had been diverted to Iraq and also the national guard for the area were also stationed in Iraq made the problems that arrised after the hit so much worse as the help took so long to arrive. Iraq is Bush's mess, going to war on false pretenses so yes IMO he does sure a large portion of the blame in all of this.
|
|
phoenix1647
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since March 2013
Posts: 186
|
Post by phoenix1647 on Sept 4, 2005 8:00:49 GMT -5
...and then next time you look at the price of gas just remember....American taxpayers are supporting Iraq oil so the people over there are only paying something like 5 cents a gallon..just think about that.....
The oil companies rob us blind, give themselves big bonuses at the end of the year and don't even send us a Christmas card...
Pho
|
|
chassroc
Cave Dweller
Rocks are abundant when you have rocktumblinghobby pals
Member since January 2005
Posts: 3,586
|
Post by chassroc on Sept 7, 2005 12:44:35 GMT -5
There are just so many brainwashed people in this country. People who only listen to one side of the story, who do not care about the truth, people who only care about labels like Liberal, Conservative, Democrat , Republican. When propaganda passes for truth to 40% of the American People, we are in big trouble. So many people cannot think for themselves. So many people lie for their side and it is just dragging down this country.
Bush declares "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees." What a crock! What nerve! What gall! Then adding insult to injury his parrots the Rush Limbaughs and Sean Hannittys and so many others on Fox and Talk Radio take up the chorus and say "Amen" and their mindless followers do the same... and they point their fingers at the Mayor( Let's see, could it be that he has the nerve to attack the Federal Reponse as too slow and for a few days totally lacking or is it because he is Black and a Dem? ) or former President Clinton (after five years, isn't Bush responsible for something, anything? Will he ever be?)
Wasn't the conventional wisdom that having an oil man in the White House would mean great things for energy exploration and alternative energy and oil supplies in this country. Wouldn't we now have a coherent policy in place? Just the opposite has happened. The fox is in the henhouse. Yes, the oilmen (and their Saudi and other friends in OPEC) now make American energy policy. The latest energy bill, like all the other incredibly corrupt spending bills passed by this administration will do nothing for people, unless you're the people who run the big energy companies. I actually here people saying things like, "The damn Conservationists (read Democrats) won't let us drill offshore or in Alaska, or build a new refinery or nuclear powerplant or build a wind farm, etc etc etc...
Funny thing but the Conservative Republicans control the Presidency, the House, The Senate for many years and have only to make the laws, but they will not do anything except steal off the taxpayers with their incredible spending....Imagine how good our economy would be if that $200,000,000,000 we're spending in Iraq was spent on better border security right here in the US of A!!!! Imagine that! More jobs for Americans, More money spent right here in this country, not in the Middle East...We might even be able to afford equipment to scan and sniff cargo on airplanes and detact radiation and "Weapons of Mass Destruction"!!!!!
Wouldn't that be the way to really fight this war on terror...Could even spend a couple of billion on agents to infiltrate these terrorist groups and get some first hand experience on what they are up to? Right...if we have too many people working in this country , inflation might happen; better to continue throwing money away on lies like Iraq, than have Americans so prosperous that they might have inflation.
|
|
stefan
Cave Dweller
Member since January 2005
Posts: 14,113
|
Post by stefan on Sept 7, 2005 13:27:38 GMT -5
Not gonna give my views on the war- But as far as the American Taxpayer (yes I'm one and damn proud) well we can't take much more- $50 to fill my truck yesterday- $50 Freakin dollars - I gotta work a whole day (after taxes) to pay for that- It hurts- I fell bad for the people who are just making ends meet- I live pretty comfy- but this is starting to get very painful- I think the biggest mistake we made was buying Arab oil all those years ago- Plus explain to me how my gasoline (which comes from CANADA, not the gulf coast or OPEC) can go up $1.50 a gallon in about a month! Oh and just wait- food (especially dairy) is gonna skyrocket- toys and consumables- OUTRAGIOUS! About the only thing not going up is gonna be my paycheck- It hurts- and it's only gonna get worse BEND OVER AMERICA--- HERE IT COMES! Sorry I'm done now!
|
|
|
|
Post by Cher on Sept 7, 2005 18:27:53 GMT -5
I'm so worried about how the elderly are going to be this winter. With fuel costs skyrocketing like they are, many of them won't be able to afford even their basic needs of fuel, food and medicines. No matter how you look at it, it's scary!
I agree Stefan, I don't know how that works with the oil either. Just makes me damn angry!
|
|
MichiganRocks
starting to spend too much on rocks
"I wasn't born to follow."
Member since April 2007
Posts: 154
|
Post by MichiganRocks on Sept 7, 2005 18:40:57 GMT -5
Hey Stefan, consider this. I just paid $54.29 to fill my truck and I'm on a fixed income! I can't just go to work and make more money. Ron ps I just love reading the political threads!  |
|
|
|
Post by krazydiamond on Sept 7, 2005 19:33:58 GMT -5
i almost fainted when i filled up today, $58.03!!!!!!!!!!! ok, so i was running on fumes. the pain, the pain!
KD
|
|
WyckedWyre
fully equipped rock polisher
Member since April 2007
Posts: 1,391
|
Post by WyckedWyre on Sept 7, 2005 22:48:40 GMT -5
|
|
rollingstone
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since July 2009
Posts: 236
|
Post by rollingstone on Sept 8, 2005 3:04:24 GMT -5
>author=stefan
>Plus explain to me how my gasoline (which comes from CANADA, not the gulf coast or OPEC) can go up $1.50 a gallon in about a month!
Stefan, yah, I was kinda wondering why gas prices are spiking here too, considering that I live in Alberta, which is where you are probably getting your oil/gas from if you are getting it from Canada. Gasoline here costs $1.13 per litre now (that's $4.52 per U.S. gallon). Other places in Canada are paying as much as $1.40/litre ($5.60/U.S. gallon).
The explanation I'm hearing is that North America (Canada and U.S. at least, maybe Mexico too?) are a fully integrated energy market. So if the price was lower here, then the much larger U.S. market would simply buy up that cheap energy, leaving us out in the cold here, so to speak.
So everyone in North America (including Mexico?) pays the same bulk price for energy. But we end up coughing up somewhat more at the pumps here because of higher taxes on things like fuel up here in the great white north.
My understanding of things anyway.
|
|
yeahda1
starting to spend too much on rocks
Member since August 2005
Posts: 201
|
Post by yeahda1 on Sept 8, 2005 20:00:04 GMT -5
with the price of fuel going up. i sure wish I would have put real woodburning fireplace in instead of gas at least i could have cut down a little
D.B.
|
|
|
|
Post by krazydiamond on Sept 8, 2005 20:03:52 GMT -5
our house was built in the early 70's, we have a wood stove in the basement and a fireplace upstairs. we used it a lot (novelty value) when we bought the place 20 years ago, something makes me think it will get used again this coming winter.
KD
|
|
Debs
fully equipped rock polisher
Member since February 2005
Posts: 1,252
|
Post by Debs on Sept 8, 2005 20:55:53 GMT -5
I blame everyone IN CHARGE with the way things went down after Katrina hit. They all have a lack of leadership and decision making qualities! They knew this would happen someday and how it would effect the land and people. I would have thought after 911 they would have learned something! Did the mayor or governor even stop to consider that their law enforcement officers and firemen were victims too? My hearts go out to them and their families along with all the people effected by this tragedy which could have been prevented! Why didn't they use all those parked school buses to move people? I understand why some people choose to stay. I know I wouldn't leave without my pets either. If they wanted me to get into that boat they would have to make room for my poochies and birds. I'm sure more people would have gotten into the boats if they could have taken their pets. They could have dropped the people off in one location and the pets in another. Geez...that takes alot of thought...NOT! I have been to New Orleans, the Gulf Coast and Mississippi. I can understand how those people feel. I got the feeling either you have money and live in a wealthy neighborhood or you don't and live in the back waters. I wish more of them would reconsider and come north. My state Iowa has been ready for thousands but has been put on hold. We have over 800 housing units/homes for people just sitting there unoccupied! They would have a much better life here I believe and our city is welcoming them with open hearts. We have become the melting pot of the midwest it seems. We have lots of citizens from different states and countries that have moved here to Iowa to start a new life. I welcome them and enjoy the diversity of it all. I agree that New Orleans needs to be rebuilt. With that in mind, hopefully they will come up with better ideas for the levees and the land itself. New Orleans has a very interesting history and culture. One which is unique to them. I enjoy the Blues music and all the culture of those who live in the bayou. That along with all the industry there and the Mississippi River. I think New Orleans has alot to offer and we need it back up and running. Iowa ships alot of it's grain through the Mississippi and it's ports. I hope I never have to witness another tragedy like this one in my life time. I don't think it's important to play the blame game. It is more important to realize what went wrong and how to correct it so it doesn't happen again. We need people who know their jobs and how to get things done while working as a team. I pray the people of New Orleans speak up!!! People have alot of power and I hope they use it. After all, those power tripping people were voted in by the people and can very well be voted out! I pray these people speak out for the things they need and are important in the way they rebuild their city. The more I watch FOX NEWS about this, the madder I get. Speak up citizens of LA! You must look out for yourselves. I hate to see the rise in gas prices too. I know here in Iowa the gas this winter is suppose to be 3 times higher than last year. I don't mind paying the price, if I knew my cash was being well spent. Like how much cash was wasted and lives lost by all the stupid decision makers??? I rest my case...
|
|
|
|
Post by Toad on Sept 10, 2005 8:20:28 GMT -5
How 'bout placing blame where it belongs. As far as the levees go - we've known about the problems for decades. I bet if a tax hike referendum ever came up for a vote in New Orleans/LA that it was voted down. Don't know, just guessing. But I do know that Bush has never vetoed any spending package sent to his desk in 5 years. So if there was a way to fix the levees in his terms, he didn't veto it.
As for the tragedy itself... The mayor of New Orleans waited way too long to declare a mandatory evacuation and then didn't enforce it. He had at least 500 buses at his disposal to move people out (both school and city). They sat idle as Katrina approached and have since been flooded - then he has the nerve to complain about how he needs buses.
The govenor of LA also had the option to call in her own states guard, but again - she waited too long. It was her responsibility to ask for federal assistance, she delayed again. Bush cannot send in FEMA or troops without an invitation or insurrection - its against the law. A few looters and snipers is hardly attacks to topple the government so he had to wait for the governor's request. He did as much as he could before hand by declaring the area a disaster area before Katrina even hit. Appears to be the only one of the 3 that was planning ahead.
Yea, it did seem like FEMA's response could have been quicker - so there is plenty of blame to go around for the democratic mayor, democratic governor, and the republican administration.
But when the body counts start rolling in let's look at the paralysis of the local officials and all they could have prevented if they had shown true leadership in the days befofre the storm hit.
|
|
Sabre52
Cave Dweller
Me and my gal, Rosie
Member since August 2005
Posts: 20,494
|
Post by Sabre52 on Sept 10, 2005 12:21:25 GMT -5
Jeez! I am so sick of all this blame game bull especially, when it's driven by partizen political feelings. All friggin politicians are real nasty pieces of work ( well except maybe for Pres. Carter who was nice but hopelessly idealistic) with their own agendas and their own lusts for fame, power, money etc. From what I've read, a great deal of the problem in the south is the corruption of the politicians who, if they got more money for levee or shoreline repair, would've used it to line the pockets of themselves and their political cronies. Face it, like the old song says " What nature doesn't so to us will be done by our fellow man!" Natural disasters naturally occur with a certain level of probability and, it's absolultely certain that whatever political group is in power, they will dither around figuring out how to cover their own behinds while still getting the photo ops to make themselves and their party look good. Meantime the people who are affected by the disaster suffer. That's just the way it goes. People have to accept it and get on with their lives, good or bad. I prefer to live life without fear. Been through several quakes, lots of wildfires. Will let things like nice weather, nice people, fun , pretty surroundings etc. have some impact on where I choose to to live but never fear of natural disasters, terrorism etc. These things happen. Can't let them control our lives. Oh, and if you all want to blame someone for gas prices, try OPEC. It costs them max $4.00 per barrel to produce oil and they sell for $70. This is plainly economic warfare directed by a dislike for our nation and way of life. Again, what is done to us is done by our fellow man! (End of exasperated speech!) Now I'm gonna go wack rocks before my head explodes.
|
|
|
|
Post by Toad on Sept 10, 2005 13:28:20 GMT -5
I agree, Sabre. Though I obviously support the president (in this case)- he could have done a better job once the governor invited him in. What sickens me is that everyone wants to blame Bush. Yep, he screwed up, but he was also 3rd in line. There's plenty of responsibility for local government first. The locals had the warning and resoources to mitigate the damage and loss of life well before the federal government could kick in. Let's face it - the federal government is too big - it takes too long to turn the Titanic.
Let's start shrinking the government, maybe then we can cut through bureaucracy and strat reacting in a more timely manner.
|
|
Nov 14, 2024 18:17:57 GMT -5
*
Nov 14, 2024 18:17:57 GMT -5
*
Nov 15, 2024 17:44:51 GMT -5
Nov 15, 2024 17:44:51 GMT -5
