tombodc
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Post by tombodc on Aug 30, 2008 16:05:10 GMT -5
I have been dying to take pics of rocks and post them up but my current camera doesn't do "macro" pics and the pics I tried to post up weren't the clearest or close enough for folks to be able to see well. So I figured "some day" I would upgrade my camera to something nice. From what little bit of research I did I saw that a decent digital SLR camera with macro and super macro is kind of expensive. Sooo that kind of put that on hold, lol. Well recently the wife told me that she wants to take a photography class and wants help finding a decent digital SLR camera <big grin>. So maybe a decent camera isn't so far off after all Of course we are hoping not to break the bank yet we want something easy to use that will provide great pics. Anyone able to vouch for a good camera? Thanks, Tom
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ejs
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Post by ejs on Aug 30, 2008 16:15:24 GMT -5
I've always used the Olympus Stylus series digital cameras. They are not SLR, but do have macro and super marco that can take good closeup photos of rocks. Of course, an SLR has many advantages other than taking macro photos...
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nansaidh
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Post by nansaidh on Aug 30, 2008 16:52:15 GMT -5
I love this question. Hands-down, I would recommend the Canon S5-IS. I have a prior version, the S2-IS and it is absolutely amazing. The new version is less expensive than mine was and has more features, and STILL has "super macro" with focusing down to ZERO INCHES - that's right - you can put the lens ON the stone and it focuses *perfectly*. I can't tell you how much I lovelovelove my S2-IS. You don't need a DSLR - I have a Canon 10D at my disposal and always use my S2-IS for jewelry & pens (both of which I sell) and still-life (rocks!) photos, and 98% of everything else too! You can't go wrong with any of the cameras in this Canon series.
HTH...... Nancy
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Roan
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Post by Roan on Aug 30, 2008 17:01:10 GMT -5
I luvs my Canon Rebel XT and I used it -- past tense -- exclusively for fish macro photography. Now I'm using it for my artwork and rocks. Well, LEARNING to use it. I find it easier to take pictures of fast moving fish than a stationary object. Lighting is a royal PITA.
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Post by Original Admin on Aug 30, 2008 19:10:26 GMT -5
The Canon Rebel XT - as far as I know is also branded the Canon 400D.
Ive got one and its my pride and joy to be honest. Loads of learning to do, loads of experimenting etc. If you are able to get one - then I personally feel it will satisfy your needs.
Whatever camera you get - do get a tripod and a remote control for it to achieve almost total stability - thats the trick IMHO.
Cheers Mark
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Post by deb193redux on Aug 30, 2008 19:12:27 GMT -5
Macro is good, but there is much less depth of field. Super-macro is useless except for slabs because the depth of field is about 2cm.
Most Canon will focus down to 10-15cm and give great detail with good focus and depth of field. Some Olympus only go down to 20 inch. But, both are better than one that has a 3ft focus min.
The S5 IS is a wonderful camera. Getting a used S3 IS at a great price would be super wonderful because you do not need all the mega-pixel of the S5 to do shots of rocks for online viewing. If you want to make quality 8x10 prints then pay extra for the S5.
I just bought a lightly used Canon A400, for under $50 and I expect it to do just fine. I had a Canon Powershot until it got stolen last month, and I took good pics of rocks.
You do not need to go closer than 20cm because then the camera blocks out so much light you need the flash, and that has problems too.
Having a tripod (a cheap one) and a good daylight bulb or two, and knowing how to set the 2 sec delay so you do not get finger jitter - this is all you need.
If you do have the bucks, and want to do landscapes as well as rocks, prints as well as online, and the ability to put on lenses or filters, then get an S5 IS, or go all they way and get a DSLR.
I only want to photograph rocks, and the $500 to $800 in savings over a DSLR buys a lot of rocks or even a used saw. Just how I see it.
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1rockhound
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Post by 1rockhound on Aug 30, 2008 19:29:39 GMT -5
I have been using the Nikon D70 for the past 4 years and I love it.
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tombodc
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Post by tombodc on Aug 30, 2008 19:34:47 GMT -5
I appreciate the info! I have to consider that its more than just a rock pic taker... If momma wants to take a photography class I am guessing the camera will have to be pretty versatile. We were looking at the SLRs mostly for the ability to change lenses to meet her needs. Or so we think anyhooo... I guess we need to find out some mroe about what she wants to do with the camera and then see what the various styles of cameras are cabale of doing...
Thank you!
Tom
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Post by deb193redux on Aug 30, 2008 19:46:26 GMT -5
But when is the class? DOn't buy a camera at today's prices for next years class. THey will be bigger and cheaper next year. OR, todays model will be a lot cheaper next year.
You can get a ring adapter to put lenses and filters on the S1 S3 and S5 Canon cameras.
ALso, you can get a cheap camera to take pics or rocks today and then a better camera to do photography class later. You should also get PhotoShop Essentials for about $70 (or less) to really perfect digital photography.
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nansaidh
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Post by nansaidh on Aug 30, 2008 19:51:03 GMT -5
Super-macro is useless except for slabs because the depth of field is about 2cm. I disagree. I use the S2-IS's super macro on probably 70% of my macro work and 1) the limited depth of field gives style and artistic flare to images; and 2) the "limited depth of field" is highly usable - look at the photos in this thread - every single one (except the first) was taken with Super macro and was hand held (did I mention the IS - Image Stabilizer - is most useful as well?) and this camera is two generations old (with the newer models being the S3-IS and S5-IS). I take literally hundreds and hundreds of close-work photos using macro and super macro for the sales of my jewelry and pens. I completely agree that with lesser cameras (without IS) you absolutely need a tripod and cable release. I need a tripod with the Canon 10D I occasionally use - but not with my S2-IS. The image stabilization is just that good. You could do very, very well with a used S3-IS, absolutely. Even the S5-IS is selling well below $350, I believe. And unlike even a simple DSLR there is minimal learning curve in getting to the point of taking excellent photos. Versatility is huge in this camera line too - the S5 moves out to a 12x OPTICAL zoom (my S2 is 10x) - add the tele converter and you're out way past 600 mm 35mm equivalent. My 2¢ worth turned into about a buck - sorry! I love my camera (as I'm sure you can tell). ;D Happy camera hunting, regardless of what you buy!
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ejs
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Post by ejs on Aug 30, 2008 20:44:16 GMT -5
Another thing to keep in mind: some photography classes have required cameras that must be used by all students. Make sure to check that out before buying a different one.
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ejs
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Post by ejs on Aug 30, 2008 20:45:21 GMT -5
Hmmm, the little advertising banner at the top of this page displayed an ad for digital photography classes. I've never seen that particular ad before. Targeted ads? Very clever.
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lsmike
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Post by lsmike on Aug 30, 2008 21:13:01 GMT -5
I plump for any Olympus SLR:they seem to give more bang for the buck.You should seriously consider a used unit from a reputable camera store. Also start with a real macro lens[one that gives 1:1 magnification].Little known secret: a macro is fine and often better that the comparable lenght "standard" lens--so you won't need a seperate standard!A 50mm or so macro will suit most of your everyday needs.A 100mm will let you shoot from farther away [think live subjects] and is a great portrait lens.Remember that most digital cameras have a smaller sensor than the 35mm standard.This means you have a magnification factor for the lens.Most are 1.6:1 so a 50mm lens is eqivalent to 80mm. Olmypus has a 2:1 factor:50mm=100mm;100=200 etc.Mike.
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Post by deb193redux on Aug 30, 2008 22:05:37 GMT -5
Like I said, I admire the S3 and S5 cameras. Sounds like you agree with a lot of my points. In fact, I almost bought one last month, but decided to get the used A400 and spend the difference on a trip to Succor Creek to collect rock. Couldn't do both an S5 and a trip this month.
And yes, you can work with depth of field limits in macro. I agree. If you want one part in focus and the rest artistically blurred, it is not a problem; if you want the whole rock in focus - some rocks you can't do with macro. Generally, the cost is about 4 times the cost of what will do just fine to photograph rocks. I just like to put out the message that a less expensive camera with a decent min focal lenght and only 2 or 3 mega pixel will do fine.
If cost is an issue, get "good enough" and start shooting. IF cost is not an issue, S5 is not bad, but maybe a DSLR is affordable.
Once the camera is good enough, and the min focal lenght is at least down to 20cm, other factors like a tripod and lights make more difference. IMHO.
Not that I won't eventually buy an S5 or DSLR - it is just that its on my list below 18" saw and trip to Tuscon.
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Post by LCARS on Aug 30, 2008 23:37:00 GMT -5
If you want an SLR type then definately go for the Canon Rebel XT or a Nikon D70(ish) type of camera. For P&S types, the Canon A-series powershots and Nikon Coolpix have good all around shooting capabilities including decent macro modes.
The DOF issue mentioned is due to the aperature setting used for macro photography and the macro scale you are working in. Depth can be increased by manually selecting a higher F-stop. In automatic mode the camera usually choses the lowest F-stop and the shortest exposure possible. Stabilizing the shot with a higher F-stop and use a longer exposure time will compensate for this if you really want the whole subject to be in focus but don't expect this sort of intuition to come from the camera when using the P&S (Point & Shoot) modes.
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lsmike
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Post by lsmike on Aug 31, 2008 10:09:53 GMT -5
Amen to all the above.Remember,you are going digital so you can shoot many pics of a subject then rewiew them and pick the best-no film or development costs.I like to use the highest JPEG,lowest film speed[100 usually],a custom white balance[important!] and diffused light[bounce flash etc.].I also feel that varying the apperture is good so you can get different D.O.F. and find the "sweet spot" of the lens=this is often in the mid-range,say f/8.Mike.P.S. if you shoot high quality pics,you can make a copy in your software that will post on the web and save the better one for printing.
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Post by sitnwrap on Aug 31, 2008 12:40:52 GMT -5
I have to say that I was exactly in your position just a couple of months ago and asked for help from the members here. What a response! I'm too new to photography and chose a beginner Kodac C813 but without the info given, I may still have been struggling with what to buy.
Good luck in your quest. I'm sure with all the info these lovely people have offered, your choice will be a good one.
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fisherman510
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Post by fisherman510 on Aug 31, 2008 19:03:20 GMT -5
I haven't tried "shooting" any rocks yet as my first batch is in it's third week with coarse grit. I have shot quite a few knives that I sold on ebay. I use a Nikon D200, usually with a 80-299 zoom with IS. I generally try to shot in the late afternoon in the SHADE. This has worked very well for me. I attribute that to the lighting really more so than the camera/lens combo. Shooting with existing light is much easier it seems.
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Post by Jack ( Yorkshire) on Sept 1, 2008 2:11:46 GMT -5
Hi ,
First have a look at the pinned section on how to take photos its compleatly different to film cameras
I have a old Fugi works well has a mackro so can get close up
Digital likes plenty of light BUT not on the subject. (so different to Film)
I bought a cheap camera to get to know how to photo the digital way I learned a lot
Jack Yorkshire UK
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Gem'n I
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Post by Gem'n I on Sept 1, 2008 14:02:51 GMT -5
I am also on the Canon bandwagon...I got a S2IS and had it go on me about two years after I bought it...I do love the camera...so after some words of wisdom from DrJo and checking the Canon website I found they had a recall on the S1IS cameras for a similar problem...I sent the camera back out of warranty and they fixed it at no cost to me...great PR and they stand behind their products..I totally agree with nansaidh and her comments.
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