88pathoffroad
spending too much on rocks
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Post by 88pathoffroad on Sept 7, 2008 21:25:13 GMT -5
So....would it aid slurry fixation if one were to add a modifier to their tumbler prior to putting the lid on? Like some old thick polish or some sugar or syrup? Corn starch? lol
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ejs
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Post by ejs on Sept 7, 2008 21:32:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation, LCARS. I think I get it.
If the goal is to increase the density of the liquid mixture in order to suspend the coarse grit for longer, then would it help to add a finer grit to the initial loading? That is, when starting a fresh load of rough rock with coarse grit, add a TB or so of pre-polish or other fine grit in addition to the 4 TB of 60/90? Maybe that would create an instant slurry? Are there other additives that might achieve the same goal, like sugar or some other easily suspended thickener?
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Post by Jack ( Yorkshire) on Sept 8, 2008 1:57:12 GMT -5
Hi ejs,
Yes I have had good sucess with walpaper glue GRANULATES not powder
This stays in the barrel for a couple of days just long enough to get things grinding
It is interesting if you take to top off the barrell you will see the grit in the glue stuck to the rocks like LCARS (above ) says.
I also have"Seeded" the barrel with dust from the SC grinding wheel , which I use to shape up preforms
Jack Yorkshire UK
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Post by LCARS on Sept 10, 2008 11:35:14 GMT -5
Some people have reported success using things like sugar or corn starch trying to pre-thicken the water to promote slurry formation. BUT, as many have also found out, it is a BAD idea to use anything organic in a tumbler barrel. Yeast, mold or bacteria present in every day life can feed off sugars, starches & other organic matter, possibly producing nasty or even toxic fermentation products including pesky offgassing which can lead to barrels bursting from pressure build-up. I (and many others here like me) have had a very good track record using the slurry recycling technique. This involves recovering and storing the slurry you've already produced during previous batches to use to jump start slurry formation in future batches. During the last 60/90 recharge I make sure to run for an extra two days to get as much of the grit broken down as possible. When it's time to move on to 120/220 I strain out and collect the slurry in a ziploc container before rinsing the stones. I leave it to decant for about 24hrs then gently pour off the water at the top. Once there is no more water resting at the top you can either throw a lid on it as-is or leave it out to dry completely. Mark the container with what type of stone & grit was used because it's important to use simillar slurry for simillar stones and only in the same stage to prevent cross contamination. If you decide to dry it out, it's best to crush the resulting "brick" into powder to evenly distribute the varying constituents. If you store it as a liquid, you may find more water will separate over time but you will need it to stir up the slurry to be able to pour it out later on so don't pour it all off. As I general rule, I add about half of the slurry that I recovered from a previous batch to the next batch to start it off. You don't want to add too much or you could end up with overly soupy slurry before it's done. If you are new to tumbling and you have yet to run a few batches then you are not likely to have any saved slurry on the shelf but this would be a good time to start your slurry collection. Borax can be effective at promoting slurry formation, does not promote microbe growth and is generally slated as beneficial to rock tumbling anyway. Adding up to a tablespoon of that 20 Mule Team miracle powder for every 3 pounds of barrel capacity when starting a fresh batch will do ya just fine.
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chassroc
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Post by chassroc on Sept 10, 2008 12:43:30 GMT -5
EJS, I can vouch for the jist of everything said by LCARS. I don't keep tumbling notes but my observation is that a bit of slurry seems to jump start the process. I keep several marked quart jars with spent slurry for reuse. I add a few tablespoons with new grit and water after I wash and examine the results of the previous weeks tumble. If you do not wash thoroughly and recharge the batch with new grit, you might get too thick and retard the action that way.
csroc
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ejs
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Post by ejs on Sept 10, 2008 17:07:25 GMT -5
All good advice.
Since I have four 3 lb. barrels dedicated to the coarse stage, I am going to start to collect some data. I've got several variables (slurry vs. clean rinse, adding ceramic pellets or not, length of tumble). I'll start weighing the rocks before and after the tumbles to measure the % reduction. And then see how changing variables affects the results. And then post the results here! I'm sure you can hardly wait...
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