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Post by GlamRocks on Aug 9, 2009 14:29:08 GMT -5
Fantastic! I'm really glad you tracked down a copy, and the other one sounds intriguing - let us know what you think about it!
Have fun!
Cheers,
Harry.
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Post by Simon on Aug 9, 2009 16:59:25 GMT -5
Hi Celt40 and Beachbabe, www.agatesofscotland.co.uk/ That's for Scottish agates all you need to know including what to look for The beach pebbles depend a lot on locality, look at local geology for an idea of what kind of pebbles you have. Down here in south wales we have mostly hard limestones which makes for a rather grey pebble beach, the advantage is we have plenty of fossils. There's red jasper in north wales also some agates, most agates are found in Scotland. Flint pebbles are common as well they can be all colours and can be mistaken for agate. www.soton.ac.uk/~imw/chespeb.htm about Chesil beach near Weymouth hope that's of some use. Simon
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Post by celt40 on Aug 9, 2009 19:08:02 GMT -5
Thanks Simon, We have quite a choice of pebbles here in Ayrshire. There is nothing better than looking out for that special one !!!!
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Post by reelman on Aug 9, 2009 23:23:56 GMT -5
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Post by beachbabe on Aug 10, 2009 9:52:34 GMT -5
Thanks for starting this thread celt40. It now seems that we have pebble books coming out of our ears! I bought one of the "Pebbles on the beach" books on ebay last night so I am really happy.
Mary
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Post by celt40 on Aug 10, 2009 10:56:07 GMT -5
Glad you got a copy as well Mary. Just shows the power of a forum, with out a group talk about what book to look for we would still be in the dark.
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Post by beachbabe on Aug 13, 2009 11:37:21 GMT -5
Hi All, I have just received the copy of "Pebbles on the beach" by Clarence Ellis that a bought on ebay and I have to admit to being a bit, well very if I'm truthfull, disapointed with it. I know it is an old book but there are only 3 pages of colour photographs so not many pebbles at all. It is mostly an explanation of how pebbles get from where they are to somewhere else and not much on actual identification I'm afraid. I suppose that means we are still hunting for a proper identification book after all! Mary
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Post by GlamRocks on Aug 13, 2009 15:02:48 GMT -5
Hey Folks,
Sorry it didn't light your fire beach babe. I found this book to be an inspiration in so many ways. Yup - it's lacking piccys in many ways - but the info is there all the same. The description of drift and pebble migration is actually key to knowing what you've got here on a UK beach, by working "back" (i.e. against the longshore drift) along any section of coast you can gain a clear indication of where the pebble may have come and that narrows the list considerably. By studying the section which guides you around the coast you can begin to understand the varied mixture of locations where this material has come, and in turn what it may therefore be. i.e. here on the east coast you won't be finding limestones, slates, basalts or other material which is common in the west, further narrowing the search. A section which deals with visual identification describes in some detail the process of testing each pebble to reveal it's true nature and thereby narrow the search still further. That is to say that once you've realized the beach coat is highly misleading, and that hardness and density are highly informative, you won't have many more possibilities to investigate before settling on likely identifications.
Any Norfolk (or Suffolk for that matter) pebble is likely to come from a fairly local source - if it's not flint (which 99.5% of our pebbles are), it's likely sourced from the boulder clay which overlays much of the region, and this is quite an important feature. The shape and hardness of the material also has clues which the book helps to decipher, in actuality it's a matter of eliminating all the possibilities until you settle on a suspected identification. Of course you can quote a location share a picture and let the forum do it's magic - we love guessing at rocks you've found on the beach! Oh - one more word of advice - get a ceramic tile, a chunk of sharp quartz, a piece of hard steel, and an iron nail and you have everything you need to inform yourself of the basic varieties your most likely to encounter on your searches.
Have Fun!
Harry.
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Post by celt40 on Aug 13, 2009 18:19:07 GMT -5
I agree with beachbabe, i was disapointed in the Pebbles on the Beach book. I thought that i had found a book that gave lots of pictures and there names for us newbies to identify the pebbles that we find. As a book on information is was good, just not what i need Collecting pebbles/rocks must be the only hobby that does not have a identification book to go along with it. Collin's print books on Trees, Shells, Plants and so on. Also it hardly mentioned the beaches os Scotland? Is this not where many good finds have been made? All i want for Christmas is a pebble spotting book.
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Post by GlamRocks on Aug 14, 2009 1:19:29 GMT -5
Hi folks, I'm kinda Sorry - Hope I didn't mis-direct you. I think that what your looking for doesn't really exist in the format you want. And there's a reason.... Pebbles vary in appearance depending on what's happened too them. A flint on a beach may show pretty lines and patterns that make it look like an agate or picture jasper (I've been deceived more than once!) When you break through the coating of crud, salt, sun-blush, frosting and micro shatter from being bounced around with all the other pebbles you find it's just another grey / brown flint and just like the other 99.5% of the beach. Heck it's disappointing! If there were an "observers book of pebbles" everyone would be doing it hey?! ;D Your best plan of action if you haven't the time to learn this is sometihing like the Encyclopedia of Rocks and Minerals, and a lot of detailed examination of the stones. Oh - I did note that the coast description was only on England - Sorry Celt! But the majority of the material is contiguous between our beaches. It's just the Agates you get and we don't! You will all find great pebbles on beaches in the UK - My tactic is too look for RED - Jasper is one of the only things you'll find that will really look GREAT on a beach, I hope I'm not shattering any illusions but you aren't going to find much in the way of Lapis and Amethyst, or Picture Jaspers and Obsidian, They just don't exist on our beaches! (mores the pitty!) I separate my collection in to commercial stuff and found rocks - and my found rocks are two kinds - Red Jaspers, and Fossils. (The rest is pretty plain pickings in my experience). If you want cool rough rocks - better head to a supplier - there are several good ones here in the UK, try Manchester Minerals for a start. Cheers Folks, H
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Post by Jack ( Yorkshire) on Aug 14, 2009 3:39:54 GMT -5
Hi Celt, I missed this Thread most in formative I have picked up a few books from Ebay The Edward Fletcher books "pebel Polishing " & "rock and Gem polishing" are good fro starters I also find "A field guide to minerals , Rocks and precious stones" Blitz Editions excelent on a deeper level AND if Im stuck I go to my local Museam where the curator is a geologist and can give me a positive ID or even send them away to a specialist Ebay is a great place to find Rock books I have quite a collection "Collecting & polishing stones" by Herbet Scarfe, this book is a school book and has details of making Lapidary equipment eg sanding disc, lapping disc, Dimond saw,rock clamp, Tumbler, then cutting cabs It also has a chapter on Stone locations in UK with maps Other books, "The Observers book of Geology" By IOEvans "Minerals and Rocks" by J.F.Kirkaldy "Agate Collecting in Britain" by Peter R. Rodgers "Yorkshire Minerals" Identification and collection (a "dalesman "Paperback ) includes details of beach pebles and a cataloge of 41 minerals found in Yorkshire As H above I found this on the yorkshire coast img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/john-edward/Newrocks017.jpgHere is a close up img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/john-edward/TESTLIGHTVibe5thLotap07002.jpg I thought thought Id got a piece of Plume Agate or something exotic only to be told it was Chert by the museam Geologist : Jack Yorkshire UK
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Post by celt40 on Aug 14, 2009 5:43:59 GMT -5
Thanks Jack, thoses are very nice looking rocks. I will have to keep looking although i would not know an Agate in it's raw state if it jumpped up and hit me on the "HEED". Thats how fresh i am at this rock spotting lark!!!!!
Harry i did not mean to ridicule the Pepples on the Beach book you suggested. :blush: Far from that i think it is a very helpfull book and i will be able to get a lot of knowlage from it. It's not what i thought was out there in book world. I was wanting hand fed and thought that every stone belonged to it's own family and they were universaly recognised world over!!!!! how sad is that.
I have sort of found a book that touches on what i was looking for, but only hits the surface. Usborne Spotter's Guides "ROCKS & MINERALS" between you and me i think it's aimed more at the under 8's level?? :blush:
Well today i saw on my dog walking/pebble spotting walk: a red stone!! a brown stone !! a green stone !! a white shinny stone!!!! what they were g** only knows.
If i could get the hang of posting pictures i could let members see some of the BIG rocks i have Red one the size of a grapefruit and a large white pearly one the size of a large loaf. not sure if they are common in this size. ;D
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Post by GlamRocks on Aug 14, 2009 6:04:30 GMT -5
No worries Celt - Apologies - I'm not a morning person - bleary eye's and a mild hangover probly don't help ;D HE he he! I think it's interesting that Ellis spent a lifetime chasing pebbles in the UK - and could only gather 3 pages of pictures - Mmmmmm. I read it as a nipper and spent 20+ years before I found my first Agate on an English beach! I got one though! Maybe if I try really hard I can fill a tumbler barrell before I carc it! HE he he he! Picture posting ain't as hard as identifying rocks - I can promise that! ;D Have fun! H
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Post by Jack ( Yorkshire) on Aug 15, 2009 1:38:29 GMT -5
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Post by celt40 on Aug 15, 2009 18:13:20 GMT -5
Thanks Jack, My wife is good on the PC she built her own web site. Got to get her in a good mood before i ask her to help me with posting pictures. When is the next FULL MOON. !!!!!! :nono:
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Post by Jack ( Yorkshire) on Aug 16, 2009 8:25:24 GMT -5
Celt 40 2nd Sept !!!!
I Know the feeling have a good day Jack Yorkshire UK
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2009 10:29:39 GMT -5
Greetings Dermot you are in a prime & active agate area, if you do not know what to look for i would contact David G. Anderson from Girvan & ask if he can help, he can only say yes or no & what i know of local amateur geologists or stone-snaggers most would be willing to help a fellow local or newbie just as we do here on RTH, plus there is also a chance they may know someone else that may be in to lapidary too that may also be local to you. Books: especially for UK members try your local public library it is normally a free service to all UK residents for up to 3 weeks loan period at a time. Also Google has many complete online PDF books covering both Geology & Lapidary subjects that are free, however the fun part is finding that wheat among the chaff (book reviews). Gemstones & minerals found in the United Kingdom also there is another Scottish agate locations link on page 2. Rockfromahardplace: Simon you should be aware that Wales has more to offer than fossils, coal & sheep, for example Amethyst & smokey Quartz can be found not too far from the capital: Cardiff so please have a look again at the above link. Finally may i offer my welcome to all new members that i missed over the last 6 months or so & please have a look again (as it has been updated today) at My Ancient Rotary Tumbler Recipes!-- I hail from (The Barony of Seabegs) Bonnybridge, Stirlingshire, U.K, where aliens sometimes come for a visit & about 4 miles west from this monstrosity! Sticky's: Vendors worldwide, How to identify rocks & minerals!, FAQS: Add Tags:Save money on expensive grits & polishes!
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Post by celt40 on Aug 22, 2009 17:02:46 GMT -5
ASI Industries, I know the man you suggested to me. It only turns out to be my local doctor (JP) I have already emailed him and he suggested me to get some books on Agates. Still would not know one if i saw one. I have been gathering up rocks that i think might be Agates on the beach smashing them over the head with a large hammer!!! But all turned out to be "JUST A ROCK"
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Post by Capricorn on Aug 25, 2009 7:01:36 GMT -5
celt40, You have a point there. How do we recognise an agate before we cut it (or break it otherwise)? I have just finished reading Clarence Ellis' book and I really liked it. It has lots of good information (loved the explanation on tides and longshore drift) and is very inspiring. But I believe us newbies still find a gap between the theory in books and the sort of knowledge that only experience can give. I still can't tell whether the origin of my pebbles is a sedimentary, igneous plutonic or metamorphic rock... because, not knowing how these are meant to look like, I can't compare. (*) I am stuck. Regards, Graciela (*) Just an example to illustrate the "gap" between the information found in books and the practical knowledge we would like to obtain in order to identify our pebbles.
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Post by celt40 on Aug 27, 2009 17:08:15 GMT -5
I understand the frustrarion of not knowing what you are looking for. Must be the half Irish in me I am still running around the beach like a headless chicken looking for potato lookalikes (Agates)
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