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Post by Toad on Jan 26, 2010 8:01:55 GMT -5
Now that his party is getting thrown out of office:
- He is proposing a federal spending freeze - Near doubling of the child tax credit
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Post by texaswoodie on Jan 26, 2010 8:04:14 GMT -5
We already know that he'll say anything to get/stay in office. The scary thing is, if the economy picks up, his numbers will go back up.
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Post by Toad on Jan 26, 2010 8:39:49 GMT -5
True. But we're stuck with him for the next 3 years. He's doing this to help out the governors, senators, Reps and etc. If the elections keep going as they have, he'll be a lame duck for 2 years. That would suit me just fine at this point.
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Post by Sabre52 on Jan 26, 2010 8:59:45 GMT -5
Yep, He's just full of promises that one after another are turning out to be big fat lies. There was a TV story the other day that went back and showed some of his actual quotes and compared them to more recent comments. Man, this guy can't even keep track of all the BS he's shoveled. I'm starting to think he has severe psychological problems. At best he's a poor listener and has a terrible memory....Mel
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Post by free4rms on Jan 26, 2010 9:16:19 GMT -5
Thrown out of office... that's the best laugh I have had all day! Can anyone tell me what the results were of the exit polls when the Dems lost the Mass. election?
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Post by Toad on Jan 26, 2010 9:27:05 GMT -5
No, what were they?
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Post by Sabre52 on Jan 26, 2010 9:31:24 GMT -5
free4rms: Exit polls are pretty meaningless. What counts is who wins, who loses and why. While half the country likes the Pres as a person, a lot less than that like his policies and politics. That's why the Dems lost Mass. and that's why they'll probably lose a lot more elections in the next cycle. Obama was elected because folks were fooled into thinking he was something he's not, a centrist. Instead, we got a guy who really is out of touch with what Americans want and need and instead is only interested in his own leftist agenda. I think lots of folks who voted for him are finally seeing what he's about and rethinking their support. That's what the Mass election was all about. Also Mass folks have already seen how government health care has worked out and they sure don't want an additional dose of Obamacare....Mel
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Post by Toad on Jan 26, 2010 9:34:33 GMT -5
Thrown out of office... that's the best laugh I have had all day! The democrats thought it was hilarious that they lost a seat they had for decades... Though I didn't think it would be as funny or gratifying for you as it was for me.
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Post by docone31 on Jan 26, 2010 12:11:41 GMT -5
In a Texas A&M classroom, they were discussing the qualifications to be President of the United States. It was pretty simple the candidate must be a natural born citizen of at least 35 years of age.
However, one girl in the class immediately started in on how unfair was the requirement to be a natural born citizen. In short, her opinion was that this requirement prevented many capable individuals from becoming president.
The class was taking it in and letting her rant, and not many jaws hit the floor when she wrapped up her argument by stating "What makes a natural born citizen any more qualified to lead this country than one born by C-section?"
Yep, these are the same kind of 18-year-olds that just voted in our last election and they walk among us.
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Post by sandsman1 on Jan 26, 2010 12:45:02 GMT -5
the good the bad and the ugly
the good --- that he wont do 2 terms
the bad ----worst UN American prez in history
the ugly -- well you decide -- haha
and last of all you can tell he's lien every time his mouth is moving
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Post by Toad on Jan 26, 2010 14:57:28 GMT -5
Funny doc
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Post by sitnwrap on Jan 26, 2010 17:50:07 GMT -5
Thrown out of office... that's the best laugh I have had all day! Can anyone tell me what the results were of the exit polls when the Dems lost the Mass. election? I didn't see/hear the official exit polls but while I was watching, one local reporter said that unofficially, he asked the question in two towns. Out of 10 who ans in one town: 9 voted for Brown. In the other town, out of 12 who ans the question: 7 voted for Brown.
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Post by free4rms on Jan 27, 2010 8:31:07 GMT -5
For those of you who missed the point, there were no exit polls. Therefore any explanations for why the dems lost the election, and there can be multiple reasons, are just guesses. The majority of the networks say that the vote was not a referendum on health care. But everyone has an opinion. Just as it is my opinion that the Republicans are much, much further out of touch with what Americans want than the dems, and the Republican's very low approval rating shows that, anyone can form an opinion. And exit polls are not insignificant, compared to just making wild guesses.
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Post by Toad on Jan 27, 2010 9:43:36 GMT -5
For those of you who missed the point, there were no exit polls. Therefore any explanations for why the dems lost the election, and there can be multiple reasons, are just guesses. The majority of the networks say that the vote was not a referendum on health care. But everyone has an opinion. Just as it is my opinion that the Republicans are much, much further out of touch with what Americans want than the dems, and the Republican's very low approval rating shows that, anyone can form an opinion. And exit polls are not insignificant, compared to just making wild guesses. If there were no exit polls, then where did the networks draw their conclusions from? Saying it is not a referendum on health care is just a guess as well? While saying that Brown getting elected was a snub at Obama's health care plan is at least a guess with teeth. That is a big part of what the networks have been covering for months. Voters usually have very short memories so it makes sense that they are going to the polls thinking about health care - among other things. If exit polls are not insignificant, then according to your logic, the networks are all just making wild guesses.
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Post by Sabre52 on Jan 27, 2010 10:18:59 GMT -5
Yep, got to agree with Toad here. The majority of the networks are nothing more than leftist shills. They're not even news stations, they're merely propaganda machines. They're not making guesses. No, they're voicing wishes. They wish this election was not a referendum on Obamacare which anyone with a brain knows it was. While there might not have been any real exit polls, there were a few man on the street type interviews from the polling places in Mass which did mention Obama healthcare plan in a negative light. Vance, you just listen to the wrong news stations, that's all *L*....Mel
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Post by docone31 on Jan 27, 2010 12:21:21 GMT -5
Filmed from the bunker.
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Post by Toad on Jan 27, 2010 13:09:57 GMT -5
Doc - that is hilarious and very creative, I don't care what side of the debate you're on. Thanks for the clip.
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Post by docone31 on Jan 27, 2010 13:37:49 GMT -5
It is so far out there, it isn't even political! Everyone needs a good laugh once in a while.
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Post by free4rms on Jan 27, 2010 14:24:51 GMT -5
*L* Mel. Yeah, I know what you mean... the Faux news network in particular is worst propaganda machine there is. The Al-Jazeera of the Republican party, or what I like to call the GOP-Jazeera. And as I pointed out in an earlier thread, the media overall across the U.S. is more conservative, not liberal. The editorials of the majority of all the major newspapers (representing the greatest portion of the total population of this country) are rightist shills. And even then the majority of news outlets say the outcome was not a referendum on health care. After all, the state of Mass. has a health program, so why would that be a major motivating factor for the voters in that state? It is obvious, and anyone with half a brain can see, that the right wingers are grasping at any straws they can find to try to regain the white house. After 8 years of one of the worst Republican administrations in our country's history (and elected by conservatives), they know they have an extremely high hill to climb to get to the top again. And if they take the advice of a few "men on the street", they have an even tougher climb ahead of them. The last thing the conservatives want is for any democratic president to pass any health care reform, even a really good one, because they know that if a dem. president does so, he/whe will be so popular the republicans will have an even harder time regaining the white house. Toad, you are right about one thing. Anything I say is just my opinion, too. However, the networks who say this was not a referendum on health care have tons of analysts who look at the political scene and don't just base their claims on guesses. We may not always agree with them, but at least there is some analyzing and research behind their opinions.
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Post by Toad on Jan 27, 2010 14:53:05 GMT -5
Yes but their analyzing and research isn't always right or even mostly right - it is another tool to get opinion out.
How many so-called experts missed the housing-bubble and economic downturn despite their analysis and research? I'd guess 99%. And now that we're looking at that situation at least partially in the rear-view mirror, everyone is seeing the warning signs that were missed.
I'd bet that political 'experts' and 'analysts' have even less success the economic ones considering how emotionally charged politics can be. Anyone want to be a meteorologist?
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