unclestu
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Post by unclestu on Nov 22, 2011 18:24:56 GMT -5
Well thanks to Jim (Wampidy) who introduced me to carving Allabaster by sending me some pieces to work with I now want to get serious. I want to get one of those Dremel or Fordham tools along with all of the other hand tools. I figure I am going to need the power tool for my Fire Agatwe from Chriss. So which should I get Dremel or Fordham? I saw some kits with 53 attachments one with a 1/3 hp motor and the other with a 1/6 hp motor.
Thanks
Stu
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Post by jakesrocks on Nov 22, 2011 18:37:31 GMT -5
If you can afford it, I'd go with the Fordham. The motor will long outlast a Dremel.
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Don
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Post by Don on Nov 22, 2011 18:51:27 GMT -5
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Post by FrogAndBearCreations on Nov 22, 2011 19:13:59 GMT -5
I have the same set up for the fordom and love it
dremel flex shaft are very buzzy and hard on the hand. I can only carve for about an hour or so with my dremel set up which I use for soft stone and bone carving
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unclestu
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Post by unclestu on Nov 22, 2011 19:26:43 GMT -5
Ok , Do you hear that Santa its the Fordham 53 piece kit with the 1/3 HP engine. Oh by the way Santa is what I call the warden (my wife) around Christmas time. LOL Thanks Stu
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stasiak
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Post by stasiak on Nov 22, 2011 20:07:38 GMT -5
Ok , Do you hear that Santa its the Fordham 53 piece kit with the 1/3 HP engine. Oh by the way Santa is what I call the warden (my wife) around Christmas time. LOL Thanks Stu Hahaha! That's funny Stu!
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Post by johnjsgems on Nov 22, 2011 21:37:55 GMT -5
The 1/6th horse is no lightweight either. Dremmel is a very light duty, hobbyist tool with a lot of speed but no torque. Press a burr against the stone and motor will stall. I knew a real pro carver that wore out a Dremmel every 6 months. It isn't uncommon to see funky old 30 year old Foredoms still going like the Ever Ready Rabbit.
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Don
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Post by Don on Nov 22, 2011 21:43:19 GMT -5
The 1/6 hp model also has the advantage of being able to go into reverse on the fly.
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skystone
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Post by skystone on Nov 22, 2011 21:56:55 GMT -5
Yep hands down the Forom will out do & out last Dremel. One of the best features it the Jacobs chuck instead of a collet & nut like on the Dremel. So much fast changing from bit to bit. I've had mine for years & really put it to the test. Takes a lickin & keeps on tickin LOL. Mike
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 22:05:52 GMT -5
Hi Stu Ok now, I hope that your wife is not holding me responsible for this. At my age and state of mind I can not take any punishment no matter how small it is. lol It looks like you are hooked my friend. I think that you need to consider the fact that a large percentage of the people that start carving loose interest after a while. And a lot of people (me included) figure out that they will never be a great carver and give it up. For a small investment you can get a dremel and spend some time figuring out if it is something that you want to do a lot of. Both machines will accomplish the same thing and for the investment the dremel will gather the same amount of dust on the shelf if interest is lost. Then again if you buy the expensive unit and loose interest you can sell it to me as used for a greatly reduced price. This is just my opinion but you can throw a huge pile of money at a stone and it will still not be a piece of art. If I was going to get serious about carving again I would scout real hard for a used fordham. There should be a lot of them out there that were bought by people that thought they would love carving and found out that it is very tedious and one little slip can be a really big slip when you are using a power tool. I was laughed at in China because I carved by hand but I never had a slip that ruined my piece.
Please have your wife read this so she fully understands that "I am not responsible". lol Hi Wife Later Stu Jim
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 22:14:05 GMT -5
By the way, There is a chuck available for the dremel and can be bought at WalMart sometimes and other hardware stores that carry the burrs and accessories. A lot of people do not know this and it is super fast and easy to use. The reverse on the fordham would be great for any right hander so it will throw the water away instead of toward. One of my biggest complaints. Jim
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Post by tntmom on Nov 22, 2011 22:37:45 GMT -5
Stu... definitely the Foredom. I love my Dremel and am used to it, but.... I've went through 2 in 2 years. They don't hold up too well..... BTW Jadecarver has SIC sticks that you can shave to fit in your dremel/foredom or use by hand. Super cool stuff, just dip in water and grind away. They are soft and mold to the work piece that you are doing. They are primarily used for jade carving but I used to use them all the time when doing dremel cabs. He makes them in almost every grit. Here's a pic: You can ask him questions at jadecarver@jadecarver.com David Clayton's a great guy!
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Post by NM Stone Supply on Nov 22, 2011 23:52:50 GMT -5
I have to agree with Jim The foredom is a better tool but I myself have tons of tools I bought thinking I would love using them and after a couple try's they are sitting collecting dust. I would start with a dremel and work up to something larger if you plan on sticking with it. Make sure to get good diamond bit's and you will have much better sucess no matter which power source they are on. I do a lot of stone carving with my dremel (I buy one of the better ones not the cheap one) and they last me about 2 years. Just clean it, blow the dust out of the power switch often.. Good luck I am sure you will enjoy either one.
Jason
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Post by johnjsgems on Nov 23, 2011 11:20:20 GMT -5
You can buy a keyless chuck for the Dremel. I think mine came with the flex shaft. Still not a Foredom.
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Post by FrogAndBearCreations on Nov 23, 2011 11:58:37 GMT -5
just keep in mind that Dremel = light duty tool and Fordom = industrial heavy duty tool
I have had my Fordom for over 12 years with heavy use and it is still running like a charm
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sampson
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Post by sampson on Nov 23, 2011 19:07:15 GMT -5
I have a lithium ion cordless dremel and it works pretty good for rock carving and is so versatile that i use it for tons of other projects too. I got it on sale for around 100 a couple years ago and since it is battery powered it can go anywhere with me when i need it. Very handy for cutting off seized and rustly locks and rusted bolts on the truck or other projects. The lithium ion batteries are light and last for a surprisingly long time.
I guess like the others mentioned i am suggesting the dremel may be more usefull in other ways if you aren't a hardcore carver where as the foredom is pretty much ties to the plug in and more dedicated to serious carving. If i had tons of cash or found one on a great deal i would sure like to have one for the times when i want to do a more serious carving session but so far my dremel has worked sufficeintly for my uses.
Sampson
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Post by docone31 on Nov 23, 2011 22:24:59 GMT -5
I have four of these, two in my shop, two in my home. www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/rotary-tools/flexible-shaft-grinder-and-carver-40432.htmlIt is old technology, and it works. After 7yrs, I have not replaced the brushes! One shaft, several handpieces, but they are still ticking. They take the Foredom #35 handpieces, impact hammers, hammer handpieces. I find them quite acceptable. Coupled with a Router speed control, I can run my MagnaGraver full tilt and not exceed 2000rpm. For serious work, these are great!
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lisatech
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Post by lisatech on Nov 24, 2011 8:07:28 GMT -5
I actually bought an inexpensive flex shaft that looks like the same motor as in a Foredom with very similar specs for $70 from a small company Johnson Brothers... While I haven't taxed it with carving, it has 1/4 hp motor with 22,000 rpm and variable speed footpedal. I figured that for the price I would be able to use it until it wore out then decide on spending bigger $$ after that... (Same chuck as the Foredom as well)
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jerry
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Post by jerry on Jul 11, 2013 10:49:26 GMT -5
Where can I buy Fordham parts to repair my 30 year old Fordham?
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 11, 2013 11:34:24 GMT -5
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